Laila Harre and the Internet Party

Laila Harre is in circulation again after being very quiet since Internet-Mana’s election disaster. She will be interviewed on The Nation this morning (TV3 9.30 am).

The Internet Party website is still dormant with the last ‘News’ post on September 18:

Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political gain. 

Today a former senior counsel to the Customs Department turned whistleblower after being instructed to withhold information for political reasons. 

Ombudsman Dave Beverley Wakem has confirmed that evidence of this nature is emerging more widely, saying: “The Ombudsman’s relationship with the government service was based on trust. Without that, we’re all in trouble. We may as well kiss democracy goodbye.” 

“This situation is extremely serious,” said Ms Harré. 

“There is no other word but ‘corruption’ to describe these claims. 

“Unless a new government moves rapidly to establish a Royal Commission I will be taking all this evidence to appropriate international forums. The claims are in breach of Commonwealth values of governance, and that is where I will start. 

“The United Nations Convention Against Corruption, which has primarily been invoked on matters of financial corruption, contains broad provisions which may also apply to political corruption of this nature. 

“Make no mistake, this is our Watergate. 

“John Key is now juggling so many scandals he cannot keep track of them. 

“If New Zealand does not resign him on Saturday there is no remaining doubt that he will be gone before the end of next year. 

“Any government he leads will be wracked with controversy and instability.”

That was so serious it went dead after the election. Perhaps she will bring it up again this morning.
There has been a mixed reaction to the announcement on The Nation’s Facebook page about Harre. For:
Sally Hunter: We need people like Laila. Will be watching again after the post-election drivel that’s been on the last couple of months.
Jesse Butler: I got truck loads of respect for Laila
Ra Matenga-Eparaima: Don’t give up Laila! Ignore these arrogant, think-they-know-everything twats who got sucked in by the lies that was fed to them.
Graeme Stanley: I like Laila Harre.I am listening to where she wants The Internet Party to be in the political Spectrum.
And against:
Mark Pandelidis: No one cares about Laila, you should just let her crawl back under the rock she came out from….
William Kuai: I m interested how your programme persuaded the lady to be interviewed. She has got over the loss?
Mark Pandelidis: she wont give up, she’ll be waiting for the next person to buy her “services”…… what do they call that sort of person again??
Lazadas Jay: Laila harre was Kim dotcoms puppet. Here’s a saying. If you dip a turd in gold. It’s still a turd. Kim dotcoms that turd. And Laila harre bought into his b.s.
James Halcrow: Will she be back on the airwaves telling us all about how much integrity she’s got?
James Burke: I hope you ask her about Hone hiring convicted and alleged rapists and pedophiles. Some even under her Internet Mana banner
Stewart Fletcher: haha, shes useless…………………..good job that whole pathetic party is done
Marta Camargo: The lady that play mother Tereza, I will only trust a word of her when she sell her few million dollars mansion and give 1/2 to the poor or the ones she said lives in poverty.
It’s going to be difficult keeping interest going in a failed party.

The Nation – Little and Harre

Today (and tomorrow) on The Nation:

This weekend Laila Harre breaks her post-election silence. We’ll ask her about the future of the Internet Party and her leadership.

Then Lisa talks to the new Labour leader Andrew Little about the policies he wants to throw out and how he’s going to rebuild the party.

And our reporter Torben Akel heads to Tonga as the country’s second ever election approaches.

Paddy Gower, former Labour Party president Mike Williams, and PR consultant Matthew Hooton are on the panel.

See you there – tomorrow at 9.30 or 10am on Sunday.

Open Forum – Saturday

Saturday 22 November 2014

This is open to anyone with any topic. It’s a mostly political blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome.

Some basic ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.
  • Debate hard if you like but respect people’s right to have varying views and to not be personally be attacked.
  • Don’t say to a stranger online anything you wouldn’t say to their face.

Moderation will be minimal if these guidelines are followed. Should they ever be necessary any moderator edits, deletes or bans will be clearly and openly advised.

Huggy stuff

The Roger Sutton debacle this week (very poorly played out) has raised a wider issue. Kiwi culture has become much more huggy in my lifetime.

Is it natural and healthy interaction?

Or do some people go too far with it? Especially in work situations?

For example I’m not that keen on my boss hugging my wife if she comes in to see me. Should professional situations be hands off apart from the traditional hand shaking?

Obviously there’s a lot of diifferences of approach on this. Have we become too huggy?

What do you want?

Now there’s a few more visitors here it’s a good time to ask what you want of a blog like this.

What sort of content do you want to see?

Do you want more opportunity to contribute? If so what?

Some blogs are intent on publishing, some are more aimed at interaction and involvement. Most are some balance of both.

Most social media forums are dependent on activity and interactivity to make them interesting and vibrant. Any ideas on how to do this better?

Crimson Cryer a Little critical

Scott Yorke is at his self-deprecating best showing how Labourites will Support Andrew Little.

A lot of Labour Party and other left-leaning folk have been bleating about Andrew Little and how disappointed they are that he is the new Labour leader.

But these people aren’t doing the party any good by moaning in public. What’s done is done, and it’s time to fall in behind the person chosen through a largely democratic process.

So what if our dreams for a better New Zealand under the inspirational leadership of our chosen candidate are now forever shattered? That’s no reason not to fall in behind Andrew Little.

Little’s vicious and spiteful supporters may have denied us the one thing we desperately wanted for the party, but that’s no reason to take it out on Andrew Little, or indeed those vicious and spiteful supporters, bastards all of them. It’s their fault he’s leader now, that your candidate didn’t make it, and that everything is now utterly ruined.

But let’s stay positive.

There’s no point in crying over spilt milk, because the milk had probably been poisoned anyway by Little’s union mates, and nothing will be achieved by dwelling on this disgusting travesty of justice. I intend to give Andrew Little my full support, and so should you.

Don’t dwell on the past, because focusing on this monstrous injustice will not do anyone any good. Don’t let your entirely understandable rage get the better of you.

Support Andrew as leader, because we need unity as a party, and the worst thing we can possibly do is show the world how divided we really are by this appalling result. You may well regard Andrew Little’s election as Labour Party leader as the final nail in Labour’s coffin, but don’t be too hasty to rush to judgement. Room can always be found for a few more nails.

So our candidate didn’t make it. Big deal. Harden up. It’s not the end of the world. The fact that our chosen person lost the contest may well mean the death of a once-proud party, but life will go on.

This was signaled in a post early in the contest: Random thoughts on the Labour Party leadership contest

Don’t fret

It’s a tough choice for those of us Labour Party members and affiliates who get to have a say in the contest. Each of the four candidates has a lot going for them, and while I currently have a favourite, I’m still not sure how I’ll rank numbers 2 to 4.

But there’s no need to panic if I get it hopelessly wrong, because I will probably get another go at it within the year.


Everyone in the party wants unity, and members want to know that whoever wins, the caucus and membership unite behind them.

I agree. We must all put this division, dissension and wrangling behind us, because it puts voters off.

Accordingly, I pledge my absolute and unwavering support to whoever wins this contest, unless the person I rank number one doesn’t win.

Yorke is well known as the Crimson Cryer. He claims this title was earned due to his stoic pro-Labour proclamations, but this alleged photo of him after the election is probably closer to the mark.


Open Forum – Friday

Friday 21 November 2014

This is open to anyone with any topic. It’s a mostly political blog but not limited to that, and views from anywhere on the political spectrum are welcome.

Some basic ground rules:

  • If possible support arguments, news, points or opinions with links to sources and facts.
  • Please don’t post anything illegal, potentially defamatory or abusive.
  • Debate hard if you like but respect people’s right to have varying views and to not be personally be attacked.
  • Don’t say to a stranger online anything you wouldn’t say to their face.

Moderation will be minimal if these guidelines are followed. Should they ever be necessary any moderator edits, deletes or bans will be clearly and openly advised.

Whale Oil still in message control mode

NZ Herald reported this morning: Len Brown scandal journalist Stephen Cook on P charges

The journalist who broke the story of the Len Brown and Bevan Chuang sex scandal has appeared in court on methamphetamine charges.

Stephen John Cook, 46, came before Manukau District Court this morning on charges of possessing the class A drug and a glass pipe used to smoke it.

Cook gained publicity last year when he teamed up with WhaleOil blogger Cameron Slater to publish details of the mayor’s high-profile affair.

The alleged offending which brought him before the court today stemmed from an incident in Auckland on Saturday.

Tonight there was a comment on Whale Oil’s Backchat that was presumably related to this. It asked that as Slater was so opposed to drunk driving what he thought of P.

Soon afterwards the comment disappeared.

If the journalist charged was someone like David Fisher it would be likely to feature in at least one prominent scathing post on Whale Oil.

Slater said recently:

I am very happy with where we are placed, and very happy with where we are going.

Big things are going to happen soon, and then you will see why it is that we have headed in this direction.

Going in the direction of suppression of discussion about unfavourable news is not a good lead in to a new media enterprise.

Hey Clint, that’s playing dirty politics

I found this at The Standard while I was searching for something on a post celebrating David Cunliffe’s success – And the winner is…


That’s ‘Hey Clint’ who was an author at The Standard under at least one name (dishonest practice) and has worked in the Labour, then Green, then the Labour leader’s office from the start of this year.

Insinuating any party would finance a ‘public’ poll is ludicrous and dirty politics itself without providing any facts to back it up.

And what did “Dirty Politics” say about iPredict?

Page 54:

The following week, on 28 March, Slater joked with Jordan Williams over Facebook about iPredict running stakes on who had leaked the Pullar e-mail. ‘See iPredict?’ Jordan asked? Slater asked on what and Williamns said the ‘acc leaker’.

‘Heh’, Slater replied, ‘who is winning?’Williams, who had been spending money to move the stakes, said ‘Collins or acc official. I’ve shorted Simon [Lusk] quite a bit, brought him right down’.

Page 64:

Slater also used a small sum of money provided by Lusk to manipulate Victoria University’s iPredict rankings of the Rodney candidates and then wrote posts using the iPredict results to reinforce their campaign.

Here are Slater and Lusk discussing iPredict” ‘Great post on ipredict,’ Lush said. ‘You like, i manipulate[d] scott to being the front runner before i posted, only took $5,’ Slater replied.’How much of the $200 have you got left?’ Lusk asked. ‘All of it,’ Slater replied.

Lusk and Slater were promoting one candidate for selection for National for an electorate.They were doing business on their own. It was dirtyish if Slater was using blog posts to make money on iPredict, but there is no indication that the National Party or ‘#teamKey’ were involved.

Clint Smith states he is still ‘Labour policy guy’. He gets involved in more than policy, he has been attacking Key and National through Twitter recently including today.

His association of Key with #dirty politics and his insinuation about ‘#’teamkey’ financing leader’s debates opinion polls, plus his misrepresentation of what was claimed in “Dirty Politics”, was playing dirty. And it was politics.

Stepping up in the Labour boat

Andrew Little – obviously he has to step up big time. He’s put himself forward as leader, he has been chosen, and he has a massive job to do.

Labour caucus – while Little has to work on uniting his Caucus all the MPs need to unite behind Little and contribute to recovering and rebuilding.

Past leaders – Phil Goff, David Shearer and David Cunliffe have all had a go and failed. It is their duty to help Little succeed.

Grant Robertson – he ran a very close race and will be bitterly disappointed. He needs to take some time to get over it, then do his utmost to help Little and Labour succeed. He isn’t leading the party but he can and should take a significant role in leading the Caucus support of Little.

David Parker – has indicated he doesn’t want to be deputy and doesn’t want to be Minister of Finance. He may be disappointed and he may be hurting, but this is very disappointing. Parker thought he was good enough and committed enough to be Labour leader, so he must be big enough and committed enough to be a strong senior member of Little’s caucus. He go in on the Labour list for another three year stint, like all the other MPs he owes it to Labour to do his utmost repair the damage and rebuild.

Nanaia Mahuta – has been criticised for being low profile and insignificant in her EIGHTEEN YEARS as an MP for Labour. She felt she could take on the huge challenge of being party leader. She must step up and repay her party.

Andrew Little has taken on a huge challenge. His success will be partly up to him, and it will just as much be up to all other 31 Labour MPs in Parliament, as well as the Labour Party.

If they all don’t out in the effort and work together they will live down to National’s expectations (this was a multi-party dig but it could be applied to Labour’s past performance on their own):

LabourRowboatOr this will be the Labour boat:



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