Aftwer yesterday’s post on The impact of political blogs related to a discussion at The Standard I asked similar questions on Kiwiblog,..
What is the impact of political blogs in NZ? Is it increasing or declining? Why?
To what extent are the views of the active blogging community representative of, or different from, the average NZ voter?
Is it fair to say that bloggers tend to have views that are more “extreme” than the norm?
What do Kiwiblog participants want to achieve from your contributions here? Or is it just an entertainment, a pastime?
Responses contrasted with those at The Standard, where there was more hope of influencing politics (and particularly the Labour Party) on the left. Kiwibloggers seemed to see it more as a pastime with little or no outside influence.
This is from a commenter point of view. Mr Kiwiblog David Farrar has many politicval connections and degree of political credibility, and his posts on Kiwiblog are widely read and taken notice of. He also has a wider media profile, having written newspaper columns, participates on radio segments and is sometimes interviewed in TV coverage of politics.
Some authors at The Standard have some wider respect (like Anthony Robins) but overall at an author level The Standard is viewed with less credibility because many posts there are obvious political attack attempts by authors cloaked in anonymity.
They claim that it’s not the identity that matters, it’s the argument, but there are frequent over the top wolf weepers by the pseudonyms with questionable connections so that substantially dilutes the overall blof credibility.
For me it is about the exchange of ideas and the chance to see how other people think on various issues. I never really expect to change any bodies ideas, but at least we can all get some insight into the oppositions thoughts.
The whole point is you get to make fun of nutters or expose the reality gaps that produce nuttery
its fun and makes me laugh
to see their mental contortions to hold conflicting “facts” in their heads
KB Griffs idea of comedy better than sitcoms
The impact and influence of political blogs in New Zealand will increase as the political left declines. The influence of the left will decline because it’s no longer needed. Anyone can get on a computer and put their message out there, whereas traditionally the left has been a voice for minorities and the misbegotten. They’ll lessen their influence. Apart from the workers voice which I fully support but when the labour vote becomes a fully blown vehicle for socialism you’ve got to draw the line. Which will sadden tits like Griff no end.
1) Impact will wax & wane depending on where we’re at in the election cycle.
2) Views are probably a little more extreme than average…..if someone can barely be bothered to vote they’re not going to spend a lot of time on a political forum.
3) I come here (& other blogs) to learn & keep informed. That said, if there wasn’t an entertainment factor the medium would become boring very quickly.
I suspect the impact of political blogs in NZ is bugger all, to be frank. How many people in NZ actually choose to dedicate a decent amount of time to reading and analysing political blogs? (Forget those people who might just browse occasionally). I suspect it will be a very tiny number – the majority of Kiwis are probably far more interested in rugby, so-called ‘celebrities’, the best fishing/swimming/barbeque spots, and DIY.
The impact of NZ political blogs is zero, a fat big zero.
>What is the impact of political blogs in NZ?
Kiwiblog had its 9,000th user registration in November.Pretty impressive, but you don’t get 9,000 people commenting every day.
And as a percentage of the population….
If it gets 10,000 visitors a day, again, that’s top end figures for any blog, but a small per centage of the population.
And you can’t add 10,000 for KB, 12,000 for Whale Oil, 5,000 for The Standard, as some of those will be people who’ve read all three.
>To what extent are the views of the active blogging community representative of, or different from, the average NZ voter?
Political blogs attract people who are more interested in politics/world affairs than the average voter.
>Is it fair to say that bloggers tend to have views that are more “extreme” than the norm?
More opinionated, perhaps. You have to enjoy a debate and not be afraid of being rubbished by people who don’t share your views. Blogs aren’t a place for the thin-skinned or delicate of disposition!
They are a place where ideas can synthesize and spread particularly when they are blocked out of the elite controlled media. Neither the media nor our political parties mirror exactly the value of ideas, just the ones chosen by vested interests or the elites.
A good example is radio nz’s silence on the findings of the Savings Working Group re house prices and high immigration/ tax breaks for property investors.
graham (responding to hj)
I agree that blogs are a good place for ideas to be mooted, discussed, and debated – but at the end of the day, that’s it. How much of what is discussed on this blog, or indeed ANY blog, ever translates into ACTION? Some of the more active blogs with motivated members MAY occasionally manage to get people along to a rally or two, but that’s about it.
I believe that political activists find Facebook and other social media to be far more useful tools, from what I have heard (but not personally observed).
I share graham’s opinion: This is a place for discussion and debate, but that’s the end of it.
The NZ populace will never pay any attention to what is said here o any other political blog.
I tend to agree with many of these points, political blogs are discussion forums but with little influence in wider media and beyond.
Political discussion takes place across social media, as well as blogs it happens on news site comments, Twitter, Facebook and elsewhere. Political blog commenting is a small part of a much greater media, and beyond that many (probably most) people take little or no interest in most politics.
There has been further Standard discussion at Questions questions.