Despite my absence attacks continue at The Standard, as they ironically call the Kiwiblog kettle black.
It’s almost a year since I have commented at The Standard. I was permanently banned from there last year (for suggesting they would attract more and better participation if they reduced the targeted abuse there, which in any case is contrary to their stated rules).
So it’s funny to see I still get mentioned there regularly.
Yesterday ‘Chris’ made a minor and incorrect accusation. Someone had done a repeat of a long cut and paste, something which moderators say is not allowed (but they allow it if the subject fits their message bias). Chris had said “It is a great list if you are against National but it is very annoying to scroll past all the time.” Someone attacked him for that. In his response he brought me into the conversation:
While you probably didn’t participate in it, how often did people use to complain about Pete George’s old cut and paste jobs?
Chris is making an incorrect inference. I didn’t do long cut and pastes. I followed the recommended practice of posting small quotes that made a point and then linked to more detail. Of course because some didn’t like what I said I was often attacked for doing that.
That’s minor. But some of the same old Standard nasties continue to attack me knowing I won’t comment there – gutless cowards as usual.
A comment was made about United Future’s party re-registration:
I wonder if the Electoral Commission’s requirement of UF is because they want to double check that they are in fact above 500 members, rather than it being a blanket requirement for every party to have signed paper copies.
One of the worst of the Standard Trolls, Te Reo Putake, used that as an excuse for a defamatory dig at me.
Yep, as previously noted, there may be a lot of George Peters, PG Bores, Pete R George’s etc on the list. Though probably not Vance, A.
TRP is one of the most prominent Labour promoters at The Standard – and one of the most persistent nasties. So what had he “previously noted”. Last Monday:
Last to leave? If UF do manage to get 500 paid up members, I’m picking a fair percentage of the names will be along the lines of Pete R. George, George Peters, PG Tips etc., so you may be right.
Blatant accusations of me acting illegally in signing up as a UF member multiple times. And TRP as usual given a free pass by Standard moderation.
Coincidentally on the same day of TRP’s latter accusation The Standard had another post running which was attacking David Farrar and Kiwiblog – DPF oops.
Ironically the thread was dominated by claims of how bad comments were at Kiwiblog, which is often referred to as “the sewer” but the Standard rats. The post, authored by one of the Standard moderators Anthony R0bins – concluded:
Serious point though – comment moderation at Kiwiblog is definitely needed.
Perhaps Anthony should look at keeping his own blog in order before giving other bloggers advice on their moderation – which, also ironically, is what I was banned from The Standard for, giving them advice on their one-sided moderation.
Kiwiblog comments can get bad at times but at least it’s an even playing field. In comparison Standard moderation protects some of the worst abusers while harassing and banning people who challenge them.
That’s not to say Kiwiblog isn’t bad – it can be. I’ve been subjected to harassment and abuse since I have been commenting there – and in fact an accusation was directed at me there about UF membership too:
Ex Act MP David Garrett made an accusation of criminal behaviour:
But we all know what’s happened here…someone – maybe even Pete – who has been signing off the declaration with a shaky hand for years has finally lost his bottle, and said he won’t sign a false stat dec any more…
At least I was able to respond freely:
DG – that’s a nasty accusation. I’ve never signed anything for the party, only for myself. I’ve never held any official position in the party.
Interesting to see a lawyer who supports Act saying something like that. Based on no facts presumably. Is Act trying to copy Winston’s methods? Doesn’t seem to be the sort of approach John B would appreciate – are you trying to undermine his hard work?
At least Garrett conceded…
PG…No, it’s true I have no evidence for that supposition…but I was there long enough to recognise political spin when I see it, and what I heard from some guy from UF on Checkpoint tonight was spinning like a top…I was being a bit naughty even suggesting you might have signed a false return…if you say you didn’t , you didn’t…
No apology but an admission he was “being a bit naughty“.
In comparison Te Reo Putake and others at The Standard keep abusing and harassing and making false accusations knowing the blog moderators will allow it.
Standard moderator-in-chief ‘lprent’ even actively supports this behaviour, joins in and even brags about it. This is his last lecture about his “moderating”, on the Oops DPF thread:
I tend to hand out bans like confetti if I have to stop to deal with something.
I suspect that the other moderators notice when I’m not reading much because the spam queue mounts up towards 50 comments. I notice they start stepping in. I always know when it is time to make more time – Irish starts to moderate *evil grin*
And then there are other more balmy days when I nitpick, do lots of warnings and just simple harassment of near-newbies who catch my eye as requiring education in net dynamics.
No-one is ever too sure when the phases are going to flip (not even myself)… So people tend to stay well within the bounds.
That last comment is hilarious.
The lprent educated comrades at The Standard stay within the bounds.
The Standard resident trolls (including Labour trolls) bound wherever they like with impunity.
And many people choose not to subject themselves to the Standard blog bitches and go elsewhere.
There is plenty to criticise about the standard of comments at Kiwiblog but as May blog statistics show, as a one author blog Kiwiblog has double the visitors and page views of the many authored Standard.
And I suggest that David Farrar has a lot more respect as a political commentator and blogger than Lynn Prentice.
Kiwiblog comments can be very knarly but at least everyone is treated equally under very liberal free speech based moderation.
At The Standard all commenters are equal, but some commenters are far more equal than others.