Did David Farrar sabotage the asset petition?

Russel Norman’s last tweet yesterday:

So if the National Party activist David Farrar signed the asset sale petition 13 times, did Nats organise this nationally?

Funny to see Norman referring to Farrar as a “National Party activist”.

Farrar has responded on Facebook:

Seeing the response to today’s joke tweet, I am thinking of becoming a professional troll. The waves of outrage are quite addictive!

Farra’s “joke tweet” was amongst an exchange on the number of disallowed signatures on the asset sale petition. On a Kiwiblog post Massive fail for Labour and Greens Farrar claims:

This is incredible. They spent around $400,000 gathering signatures for their asset sales petition, and they failed to get enough valid signatures.

They needed 308,753 valid signatures but fell short by 16,500.

That is a massive fail and gross political incompetence. They didn’t have to submit the petition when they did. They could have carried on getting more signatures to make sure.

I’m still staggered for now that despite spending $400,000 and having the entire memberships of the Labour and Green parties, and most unions, they proved unable to get enough valid signatures.  You could understand it if they were close to the deadline to submit – but they were not. They made a tactical decision to submit early for political posturing, and have ended up with egg on their face.

UPDATE: They claimed to have 400,000 signatures but got 292,250 valid ones. That means 107,750 were invalid which is a massive 26.9%. Maybe they should have put their paid petition gatherers on performance pay!

Here’s the offending tweet:

 ‏@dpfdpf
So was it wrong of me to sign the #assetsales petition 13 times? I used a different name each time, so figured that was fine :-)

I saw that tweet at the time, 8.37 pm last night. I can only see minor response to that tweet, Farrar then went out fot the evening (according to another tweet) and Norman was not very active, a few tweets defending the petition and then the one accusing Farrar.

Farrar was obviously joking. Norman must know this but is trying to score some political mileage by trying to portray it as an organised National sabotage of the petition.

Over the last year when the petition was gathering signatures I saw many quips and claims in social media that people had signed the petition using fake names – eg Mickey Mouse. It’s impossible to know if these commenters were saying what they had actually done or were trying to encourage others to do it.

I don’t agree with deliberately spoiling a petition but I’m not surprised, the Greens used what is supposed to be a Citizen Initiated Referendum into a party campaign tool, using it to promote themselves and to harvest contact email addresses, phone numbers and postal addresses (as did Labour).

So it shouldn’t be surprising that political game playing may have occurred with the petition. Norman played down a country wide 2011 campaign stunt by Green activists defacing National election hoardings.

Defacing petition forms is probably a degree worse but as a Citizen’s referendum it was farcical and futile, so making it more farcical doesn’t seem to be a big deal.

Not that I think Farrar signed 13 times, I highly doubt that he did, he was joking on Twitter. Some will have deliberately the spoiled petition, but there will be many reasons for invalid signatures.

Someone I know told me that a signature gatherer was so pushy they found it easier to just sign (again) than say no.

And a couple of examples from a petition supporting blog, The Standard, in Asset sales petition has more work to do.

tamati 9

I remember seeing a petition at an op shop on Dominion road. Was just sitting on the counter, with nobody actually supervising. Saw a bunch of girls in school uniform sign up, and nobody seemed to know this was wrong!

shorts 13

I wonder how many are disallowed due to them not being on the electoral role – given over a million eligible voters didn’t vote last election, one could surmise there’s a lot of young people whom may have signed simply not on the roll?

Yep as someone who spent a lot of time collecting signatures the number of people who had changed addresses were significant. And without a date of birth date the chances of identifying them on the roll would have been very poor.

I am actually not surprised at this problem. It is just what happens when you have volunteers talking to ordinary people and collecting signatures without the benefit of electoral rolls being on hand.

The Al1en 16

I signed the petition in the Labour party Hamilton office in Te Rapa.
I was told to only sign my name and date of birth.
And they want to run the country when they can’t even get a form filled out properly.
Good work, front desk nobody.

With consideration, I remember I queried it at the time and did put my name down, but I do recall seeing a lot of just names and birth dates. Hope that page wan’t pulled out for a scan by the clerk.

karol 23.3

I’m still concerned about the fact that I moved since I signed the petition – wonder if that makes my signature invalid.

So obviously it’s very difficult ensuring that only valid signatures are collected, and a high failure rate isn’t surprising.

Greens and Labour will have known there was a high error rate, as they were harvesting data off the petition forms, Duplicates and obvious bogus names would have been known about.

They delayed presentation of the petition. This was probably due to known error rates. But they miscalculated – and were under pressure to present the petition before Mighty River Power shares were floated.

Russel Norman could look at any number of reasons why the operation failed to make the required threshold.

Blaming David Farrar and a National spoiling campaign looks a bit desperate.

But I guess a highly party politicised “citizen’s” petition/referendum campaign is going to remain highly politicised.

“National struggles to fill list”

Tracey Watkins has written about Aaron Gilmore and the quality of MPs in National struggles to fill list despite healthy pay.

The money’s good, the hours are flexible and the job comes with influence and power. But apparently it’s a struggle finding decent applicants for a job as an MP, even on a hefty pay packet of $142,000 a year, plus expenses.

National also runs an “integrated list” – which means candidates prepared to put their hand up in unwinnable seats are rewarded with a list placing as well.

That was how Mr Gilmore got a place on the party list, because he stood for Christchurch East, where National had no chance of winning.

In safe seats like Tamaki, however, four or five high-quality candidates would jostle for selection – but only one would make the cut.

Many high-fliers, meanwhile, were not prepared to give up their other lives for an uncertain political future.

Watkins quotes David Farrar who had blogged on this in List Ranking:

“Unless you really rate yourself to become a minister and, more importantly, you can see yourself becoming a minister in three or four years, the salary doesn’t attract some of the high-fliers”.

“The reality is … you go in at the bottom of the pile and if you’re lucky, or like Nikki Kaye work really hard, you get to become a minister. But if National had lost the last election, she also could have spent the next six or seven years in Opposition.”

There are major time and financial commitments in standing for Parliament. Farrar has previously said that a candidate needs to dedicate at least six months leading up to an election. And many people having their first attempt will be low on the list and/or will be standing in an unwinnable seat, so the chances of success are limited.

People wanting to maintain business activity or employment simply can’t afford the time off that campaigning requires, especially if standing for one of the major parties.

Watkins also says former Labour Party president Mike Williams…

…says Labour doesn’t have the same problem because for most of its candidates $142,000 is a lot of money.

But Labour candidates also have the time commitment problem – and they are not guaranteed to get the $142,000 salary at the end of the campaign. Over half their candidates in 2011 failed to make it into Parliament.

Labour may have less of a problem getting candidates – but they have at least as much of a problem getting quality candidates. Even though they have not much more than half the MPs that National has the depth of quality is hardly stellar. There are calls from within Labour ranks to revitalise their line up of MPs.

Another aspect regarding quality of lists is that how a successful candidate will measure up as an MP is a lottery.It is a totally different job for all new MPs. Some rise to the task, some don’t – like Aaron Gilmore up until now.

Greens have weaknesses in their list of MPs.

And all the small parties have real difficulty in getting quality candidates.

I don’t know if there’s anything that can be done to improve the quality of MPs. Maybe we just have to accept the system as it is and take our chances with who we get to represent us in Parliament.

 

Organ donor problems

The Sunday Star Times reports ‘Calculator’ used in transplant decisions:

A lack of kidney donors has forced specialists to introduce a “mortality calculator” that will bump people off the transplant list if they don’t meet certain criteria.

The process has left at least one patient “furious” but doctors say their hands have been forced by a dire situation where the list of people needing transplants continues to grow but the number of donors does not.

Nick Cross, clinical director of the Nephrology Department at Christchurch Hospital, had a central role in introducing the calculator and said it was forced by a “very constrained environment”.

The process involves doctors asking patients a number of questions and then using the calculator to assess whether they meet the threshold of an 80 per cent chance of being alive five years after transplant.

New Zealand has relatively poor donation rates.

That rate of about 8 donors per million people is well below the donor rate in Australia, Britain and the US. Australia has a rate of about 15 per million, the US and UK are about 20, Norway is about 22.

“It’s been static for years and compares pretty poorly with countries round the world.

“There are a lot of people that need kidneys but there is a small pool of kidneys to be transplanted.”

David Farrar comments on this at Kiwiblog:

Actually there are lots of donors. But we have a stupid law where the wishes of the family trump the decision of the deceased to be an organ donor.

Grieving families shouldn’t be asked to make a decision over organ donation. They should be informed that their loved one directed they wished to be an organ donor, and it has happened.

The same should apply to where people are buried – the wishes of the deceased (so long as legal) should trump that of the family.

That can obviously be a very emotional time for family. I think it would be at the very least courteous to advise immediate next of kin before it has been done.

Organ donor campaigner Andrew Tookey comments as well:

As you will know I took this to Parliament several times. Including co-authoring a Bill to stop people vetoing your wish to be a donor. It was biffed out in favour of the government bill (Human Tissue Act) that allows for an even greater number of people to veto you wish. (On the grounds of “Spiritual & Cultural”)

(Why my long lost brother who I haven’t seen for 20 years religion trumps my lack of one I don’t know.)

I am working on a new plan! (I met with Annette King last week) and hope I can make some traction there.

I am thinking of taking it back to Parliament again by way of petition, which at least forces them to discuss the issue again.

Last year we had exactly the same amount of donors as when I first took the issue to Parliament as Ten years ago!

In the meantime, in the media just last week I note:

Australia—Increase of organ donations 55%
Scotland— Increase of organ donations 74%
Ireland— Increase of organ donations 82%
England— Increase of organ donations 50%

It’s time for Parliament to stop putting this in the “too hard basket” and deal with it (As above countries are doing.)

@Jaffa – I introduced a private donor register it is here: http://www.lifesharers.org.nz

I wrote a column in ‘THE PRESS’ about giving donors priority on the waiting list, and putting others who refuse to donate lower. This article should be republished now as it’s is timely!

Read my article and comment please!

http://www.lifesharers.org.nz/presscoverage/perspective.jpg

I’m registered as a donor and have just discussed this with my wife. She says that if I died she would respect my wish to be an organ donor, but has serious concerns about how it might be done and what might happen.

I really don’t know what the possibilities are should I die. I’d love to be useful as an organ donor, but there are other things I am far less keen on, like being used at Med School.

I can’t remember what I have agreed to. It will be too late to clarify this when I die, and it puts family in a difficult position. I need to do some more research.

A good place to start is Lifesharers.

An organ transplant could save your life some day — if you’re lucky enough to get an organ.  But your odds of getting one aren’t brilliant.

LifeSharers can improve your odds.  Here’s why that’s important:

  • New Zealand has the lowest organ donor rate in the Western World.
  • In 2006 there were just 25 organ donors in New Zealand.
  • In the past 6 years the transplant waiting list has doubled.
  • There presently around 2000 people on dialysis.
  • In 2006 there were 330 deaths of people on dialysis.
  • In 2006 there were 433 people on the waiting list for a kidney. Only 41 kidney transplants were done. (Not including live donors.)
  • In 2006 the number of transplants performed were at the lowest level in 14 years.
  • In 2006 the number of ‘new’ patients entering renal failure programs was 484. A rate of 117 people per million of population. The organ donor rate was 6 per million of population.
  • There is no way to register as an organ donor in New Zealand.
  • You, or a family member are more likely to need a transplant than to become a donor.

 

 

Labour power and Green distance

David Farrar asks about Grant Robertson’s “we have no plans to intervene in any other markets” claim – Where else? - and lists a range of markets that he suggestst that Labour have said they will also intervene in. Akld Commercial Lawyer  comments on this:

Hmmm, I am not au fait with the finer details of political strategists and their goings on – and despite my recent comments, accept that we have to work with whichever party holds the reins. But, I read this yesterday and thought (i) of course he would say that; and (ii) there is a pattern emerging here.

Dealing with my second reaction – I wonder if there are in fact two Labour Party leaders and the one we saw yesterday has learned from his time as H3 that, having tested the waters and found that the first announcement was a bit too extreme, he will now try and re-position his office as a bit more middle of the road.

This so-called reassurance is not for consumption by the Labour electorate (that was the objective of the “policy”). Instead, the “policy” announcement was, IMHO, little more than crude idealogy and a bit of cynical politics thrown in for good measure. And the drivers were the Greens, not Labour.

Others have already pointed to the irony that flows from the “policy” announcement – dampening down a bit of demand will almost certainly make this a better investment. This arises from both the softening of price expectations by the financial institutions that set the price for everyone (as they factor in more risk) and topping off a bit of demand – particularly from Mums & Dads who do not have a relationship from a decent financial adviser.

As a result, adopting the old “buy on rumour, sell on fact” idiom for sharemarket investment, the market as had an over-reaction and then a correction – and the net outcome is that financial institutions may be better off. All at the expense of the taxpayer.

The second leg of the issue is that what most readers will take from Robertson is something different – namely that a Labour / Greens Govt (for those who are big on symbalism – will it be a Greens / Labour economic policy as appears to be the case here?) will interfere in markets to “fix” problems that they perceive.

The suggestion that they will not interfere elsewhere is, with respect, exactly what they are most likely to do.

Labour has already signalled that they want to do something about the housing crisis – which those of us living north of the Bombay Hills read as being confined to Auckland.

In this regard, the attempts by the current mayor to fast-track the social engineering embedded in the Unitary Plan is Labour policy writ large. And as many people are discovering, the so-called research underpinning much of this simply does not make sense. (I could go on).

DPF has already identified a handful of other areas – insurance being a particular personal favourite.

lnterestingly, BNZ economist Tony Alexander (widely read because he has a good track record of providing sensible commentary in a manner all of us can understand) reports over night from conferences in Europe that speakers on the European electricity market noted the dangers of price control in terms of black outs as investors would stay away from the sector and the creation of new generation.

He says, to quote one “Let me be clear. This kills investment”.

Robertson may well want to position himself as the voice of reason, but what chance does he have if the Greens hold the balance of power and are, in effect, the determinants of economic policy? At that point the anti-growth party will hold sway and his assurances that Labour is not going to intervene elsewhere will count for very little.

Finally, in a break from its recent poor run of form, the Herald (Brian Fallow) provides what are at least the beginnings of some decent analysis of one of the implications of the command economy approach this morning – and that it would probably amount to handing Rio Tinto a bat with which to beat the taxpayer over the Tiwai Point ransom demands.

In short I am grateful, that despite being a futile political stunt that will costs the taxpayer a great deal over the coming weeks, this has flushed out the true colours of the Greens / Labour economic policy.

If Robertson wants to lead Labour into the election I would gauge that he will need to do more to distance himself from the Greens.

To do this, he needs a new finance spokesman – and given his tutorage in the office of a very skilled politician, I would expect that he has worked this out already.

GCSB and spying on New Zealanders

Media coverage of the GCSB and spying on New Zealanders has been sensationalist but has distorted the basic facts.

It is not a matter of whether Government agencies can spy on New Zealanders or not, they already can, legally. The question is simply whether the GCSB can legally assist the police or SIS in their legal surveilance.

On Kiwiblog in An excellent report David Farrar quotes from the Kitteridge report…

The consequence of these developments is that the lawfulness of some of GCSB’s past assistance to domestic agencies is now called into question. In relation to NZSIS, the relevant period is between 1 April 2003, when the GCSB Act came into force, and 26 September 2012, when such assistance ceased. During that period GCSB provided 55 instances of assistance to NZSIS, which potentially involved 85 New Zealand citizens or permanent residents

…and comments:

Now it is important to note that the SIS were legally entitled to intercept their communications. The Commissioner of Security Warrants (a former High Court Judge) and the PM must both authorise such a warrant, based on genuine security concerns.

The issue is whether the GCSB were legally able able to assist the SIS with their interception, and if not, should they be able to?

I would suggest that there is little common sense in saying the GCSB should not be allowed to assist the SIS. If you do that, you probably require the SIS to duplicate the quite costly infrastructure of the GCSB for what is just half a dozen cases a year.

But such assistance must be beyond legal doubt. Hence why a law change is going to happen. I don’t think there was any intention that the 2003 Act would prevent the GCSB from assisting the SIS.

And Nigel Kearney argues against any need to change the law:

The issue is what the government is entitled to do, not which government agency is doing it. If it’s ok for the police to wiretap a common criminal like DotCom then it’s ok for them to get the GCSB to do it.

That doesn’t change just because the media choose to call the GCSB a ‘spy agency’ and DotCom a ‘New Zealander’ and then fashion a story about the government spying on kiwis.

It’s pretty clear to me that the relevant limitation in the GCSB Act refers to initiating surveillance, not assisting with another agency’s operation.

Many people seem to think you can take one sentence from an Act, devoid of context, and then interpret it absolutely literally. But that’s just not how the law works.

Maybe they should amend the Act for political reasons to put a stop to the whining and bleating, but there’s no legal reason to do so.

My understanding is that Kearney is a lawyer.

I think there is legitimate debate about whether the law is adequate or not, but there’s no doubt the political whining and bleating needs to be addressed.

Act on Campus versus Greens on “Starting-out” wage

Act on Campus, via Facebook: The Green Party has been busy attacking the ACT-supported Starting-out Wage:

Youth age Greens

David Farrar points out some errors at Kiwiblog:

So in summary, the Greens:

  1. Misrepresented the minimum wage change
  2. Inaccurately stated the minimum wage last week was $13.75
  3. Miscalculated the take home pay last week (they were wrong at $13.50 and $13.75)
  4. Miscalculated the change in student loan repayments
  5. Miscalculated the change in Kiwisaver deductions

This is pretty gross incompetence for a political party with you know staff and MPs. There is nothing difficult about going to the IRD website and using their calculator. Their advertisement is false and misleading and they should withdraw it until corrected.

And Act on Campus responded:

They fail to understand that instead of reducing wages, youth rates increase opportunity to find employment.

Here’s our response to the Greens’ latest infographic:

Youth wage Act

Some comments:

Alex Caradus Is $357 a week a living wage?
ACT on Campus For a student, $357 is certainly workable. Students live on the cheap while they study so that they can gain a degree which will reward them with higher earnings later in life.
James Chan net unemployment benefit is $171.84, theyre living

UPDATE: Greens respond to David Farrars calculations and he responds to that:

amandaliarogers(1) Says:
April 3rd, 2013 at 10:06 am

Hi David. The Greens make a point of using our own imagery; most often pictures we’ve taken, but also paying for the stock images we use including this one.

The point of the numbers is to compare the situation that Sandy would experience if the negative changes that National introduced on April 1 hadn’t happened. Pedantically, the situations being compared aren’t ‘last week’ and ‘this week’ but ‘hypothetical week under last week’s rules’ and ‘hypothetical week under this week’s rules’.

We’ve calculated the student loan payments as if the repayments threshold had continued to rise at the rate of CPI inflation, rather than staying static as National has chosen.

The IRD calculators were used to get these results and double checked with our own models.

[DPF: I suggest rechecking. You've treated all the changes as discrete and added them together, when they are inter-related. You can't say wages will drop and also say student loan repayments will increase. Same with KiwiSaver.

I'd welcome your detailed calculations.

Also note the starting off wage doesn't apply to 1 May.

As for the stock image, the key thing is she isn't called Sandy, is not a student and is not 18. No problems with use of stock images but they should be used as general background images - not claim to be someone they are not]

Data security versus data usability

The EQC data breach has predictably had varying coverage. Labour’s Lianne Dalziel:

Gerry Brownlee must take full responsibility for the mishandling of the massive EQC privacy breach, which is seven times the figure admitted and of a scale unprecedented in New Zealand, says Labour’s Earthquake Recovery spokesperson, Lianne Dalziel

Dalziel said Brownlee needed to “make an appointment with the Prime Minister and hand in his resignation notice”.

David Farrar at Kiwiblog:

A staff member didn’t notice that his auto-complete function had inserted the wrong recipient name, and sent an attachment to the wrong person.

And Dalziel thinks this is a case for the Minister to resign.

All I can say is that Labour will need a very large caucus if they get into Government, because I expect Ministers will be resigning every week or so based on this new hysterical standard.

It has been reported that EQC have turned off the auto-complete function. So how will they send emails? Select from an address book list? It’s easy to click on the wrong address. Type the address each time? It’s easy to mistype. Or be mistaken about which person should receive the email. Etc etc.

If data is to be usable it has to have a degree of accessibility. And whenever there is accessibiolity there is vulnerability. This isn’t new, it is just accentuated by:

  • the ease of modern data exchange
  • the level of media interest in data breaches that become public (many breaches happen that never become public knowledge)
  • political pointscoring

Of course there needs to be reasonable levels of data security, appropriate for the type of data. But when human’s are involved in accessing and communicating data mistakes can’t be avoided.

In question time in parliament yesterday John Key played down the EQC breached, he was accused of being flippant and trivialising a serious matter – by David Shearer, who was trying to overdramatise various government department data breaches.

Data security is important, but not so restrictive that it makes legitimate use too difficult. A reasonable balance needs to be found, and mistakes will still happen.

And politicians will still try to pointscore regardless of the practicalities of achieving a sensible balance.

 

Labour on GST on overseas purchases

Retailers are lobbying the Government to address competiton between local sales and buying from overseas by changing the GST rules on overseas purchases, as reported on Stuff in Retailers in GST counter-attack

Retailers are stepping up efforts to close a “loophole” that allows GST-free purchases of overseas goods costing less than $400.

The Booksellers Association yesterday released research commissioned from a Victoria University “think-tank” which suggested slashing or abolishing the threshold altogether, and that overseas retailers could be given the choice of collecting the tax on behalf of Customs.

Association chief executive Lincoln Gould said the failure to impose GST on personal imports represented “a serious and growing hurdle” for local booksellers and other retailers.

David Farrar at Kiwiblog argued against this in Retailers need to stop trying to tax us online. He also picked up on a comment about Labour:

Labour revenue spokesman David Cunliffe said a low threshold for charging GST on overseas purchases would stop the Government “subsidising foreign commerce” and was a “no-brainer”.

Farrar commented:

Oh wonderful. Make sure everyone knows this. Labour Party policy is to tax your online purchases more. Buy a book from Amazon, and Labour will hold it up at the border until you pay the Government an extra 15% of the price.

Will Labour also block itunes? We can’t have people downloading music and not paying GST on it. So to implement their policy they’ll have to block itunes in NZ, and only allow people to purchase from a NZ located online retailer.

Labour grandstanded on the carpark tax (yet never had a clear policy on it), but have now trumped that with their e-tax. I look forward to detailed Labour policy on what they would reduce the threshold to so we know how many of our online purchases they plan to stop at the border.

This appears to be based on an inaccurate report. Cunliffe on Twitter:

‏@DavidCunliffeMP

TP-S writes up a question as a statement and DPF goes ape… Calm down folks there is more work to be done on that question.

(TP-S is Tom Pullar-Strecker, the journalist who wrote the article.)

That was in response to a direct question “what sort of lower GST threshold do you suggest for overseas purchases?”

It certainly doesn’t sound like a Labour party position any more than “presented the research to ministers, including Finance Minister Bill English and Revenue Minister Peter Dunne, and had been promised they would seek advice from officials” is a Government position on changing the threshold.

Cunliffe only took on the Revenue spokesperson role for Labour since the recent reshuffle.

He is well aware of how compliance costs can kill tax tweaks, he was vocal in the recent carpark Fringe Benefit Tax debate. New spokespeople seem to have a free rein to oppose Government consultations but could be forgiven for taking a bit longer to propose alternatives.

Parties versus people

The Green and Labour parties seem to be using and abusing an imbalance of power in their CIR petition campaigning by using taxpayer funded staff and resources and that are not available to ordinary people.

There’s been much discussion about the involvement of the Green and Labour parties in the asset sale petition. This is the first time parties have taken a lead role in a Citizen Initiated Referendum petition and campaigned extensively using parliamentary resources.

I and others have questioned whether parties and MPs should be getting involved in one of the few options available to citizens for questioning what MPs do.

Also queried is whether opposition parties should be contesting a policy that has successfully passed through our legislative system (and survived court challenges).

These questions have been countered by the argument that MPs are citizens too so have as much right to petition and try and have a referendum. Strictly speaking that’s correct, but I think it’s still contrary to the People versus Parliament principle of Citizen Initiated Referendum.

I have also questioned the motivation of Greens and Labour, as they know that even if the referendum takes place and supports their view the Government can and will ignore it. Both Greens and Labour have been part of a Parliament that has ignored past referenda. So it’s reasonable to assume that they are running their asset CIR campaign for political campaigning purposes.

But even if it was accepted that MPs and parties have a legal justification for using the CIR process (moral justification is still questionable) there is one aspect of concern that deserves being addressed.

David Farrar at Kiwiblog has asked Have Labour, Greens and unions broken the CIR Act? He claims that they may have spent more than the limit allowed for running a CIR campaign.

It is clear that Labour, Greens and the unions have spent well over $50,000 in promoting the petition. They have trampled over the intent of the CIR Act which is to stop people or groups from purchasing a referendum. Even worse, they have done it with our money.

In an exchange with Farrar on Twitter Andreew Campbell of Greens has responded:

As I said electoral commission engaged throughout to check if ok

On Kiwiblog lawyer and constitutiional guru Graeme Edgeler gave details of the law relating to spending levels, but raised another point:

While the intent of the CIR Act is to allow people outside Parliament to make their voice heard, the use of it by people inside Parliament doesn’t diminish that in any way.

I do have a problem with parliamentary resources being spent on it, but I don’t have a problem with political parties in Parliament campaigning for a CIR. I just think they should spend their own money to do it.

Edgeler has raised this before on blogs, but also in a submission to the Electoral Legislation Committee on the Parliamentary Service Amendment Bill:

Referendum advertising

17. One of the small changes from the interim legislation is an additional prohibition on the use of parliamentary money to fund referendum advertising. I support this extension, but suggest it should go slightly further.

18. I submit that there should be an additional exclusion on the use of parliamentary money expressly promoting a CIR petition. If it is considered improper for parliamentary money to promote one option in a citizens initiated referendum, promoting the petition to force that referendum to be held must be equally improper.

Having the use of parliamentary funds and staff and the availability of unlimited travel and accommodation for MPs gives political parties a substantial advantage over private citizens when promoting and influencing a referendum vote, and this also applies to petition campaigning.

In a post at The Standard he called The right’s fear of democracy IrishBill claimed that motivation for questioning what Labour and the Greens are doing on the asset sales petition is “is their fear of democracy”. Apart from the nonsense of the fear of democracy claim Irish defends the spending:

“Look” they get their proxies to cry, “look at these leaked documents showing public money being spent on this referendum, oh and unions! boo!”. Of course the problem with this is that the money spent by the Greens and Labour on this petition would have been spent by them on this kind of thing anyway.

That they would have spent their money on politicking anyway is poor justification.In a comment Irish then inadevertently drew attention to one of the biggest concerns with this.

I’m happy for anyone to start a referendum on anything and if they get the requisite number of signatures all power to them.

The problem is that the power is not even. If parties use taxpayer funded parliamentary staff and resources and MPs use taxpayer funded travel and accommodation it puts them at a substantial advantage over private citizens and citizen organisations who would have to fund the petition campaign themselves.

Most citizens don’t have anything like the resources that parliamentary parties have available.

CIR should be a tool for citizens to contest the power of politicians, but when the politicians have substantial advantages the balance of power is severely weighted against the private citizens.

It may be that what the Greens and Labour are doing fits within the letter of the CIR petition regulations, but the parties could easily be seen to be abusing their positions in power.

Greens list a number of their long term goals, including:

11. Power imbalances are reduced and resources are shared more equally.

By using taxpayer funded staff and resources to campaign the Greens are increasing power imbalances.

What Greens and Labour are doing with their CIR petition campaigning is as imbalanced as it would be if National were given say $1 milliion for election campaigning and Greens were given nothing.

Greens often pride themselves on their democratic processes, but seem willing to abuse the spirit of democratic processes (and the spitit of their principles) when it suits them.

I twice asked the Green’s media co-ordinator Andrew Campbell yesterday while he was actively engaging on Twitter:

Do you see how it’s an uneven playing field between parties with parliamentary funding and citizens having to self fund?

He didn’t respond. I’ll keep seeking a response. The balance of power between people and parties is important.

Fisking IrishBill’s leprechaun

IrishBill’s The right’s fear of democracy post at The Standard is as credible as a leprechaun at the bottom of a weedy political garden.

Four hundred thousand people don’t want asset sales.

It’s many more than that. David Shearer has increased his claim to “over 80%” which is unsubstantiated exaggeration but we can safely assume a million or two have expressed (via polls) they prefer the asset part sales didn’t go ahead.

Irish is presumablyupping the 390,000 who signed the petition – this number will reduce when invalid signatures are counted, the petitioners have allowed for a 10% reduction.

In fact they don’t just not want asset sales they want every voter in New Zealand to have the chance to cast a vote for or against asset sales.

The petition simply asked that a referendum be held on asset sales. Claiming that all signatories share two specific intentions is highly presumptious.

And National wants to discredit them.In fact it’s vital that National discredits them because the referendum looms as a huge political threat to them.

National doesn’t need to discredit them. National have succeeding in an election, they have succeeded in getting their bill passed through parliament, and they have won two court cases. The share float process has begun. At least one SOE will have been up to 49% sold before the referendum takes place. The referendum is no threat.

How big a threat? Well think about it. The referendum process and the referendum itself will take weeks, perhaps even months and every time it comes up in a story voters will be reminded that the government is flogging their assets and that they are willing to ignore the wishes of the electorate to do so.

 

Ah, the referendum isn’t about stopping asset sales, even though it has been sold as that. So Labour and Greens have been gathering signatures on false pretences.

That’s the core of a narrative of a government that is out of touch. And that is one of the most damaging brands a government can have in a democracy.

Irish is trying to introduce a new line of attack. Well, it may be new to the public, but it is likley that this was always the opposition plan. To damage the National brand of Government. The asset sales are just a convenient way to dupe the public into supporting them.

There’s another narrative that Irish doesn’t mention. There have been a growing number of commentaries (from the left of the blogosphere) warning that Labour and Greens are the ones who are out of touch, they are over flogging a dead horse.

An out of touch self interested opposition is a damaging brand. Nearly as damaging as an out of touch leprechaun.

So how scared are they? Well National are throwing every narrative they can at it in a desperate attempt to get something to stick. They’ve tried “it’s a waste of time because we’re selling anyway”, but that didn’t work, in fact it just made them look (heh) out of touch, so they tried claiming the signatures were dodgy, but the problem with that is that the petition will be officially endorsed as reaching the limit so that just looks a bit disingenuous. Oh, and they tried claiming the election was a mandate because Labour made it such a big issue, but nobody’s buying that because everyone know labour didn’t lose because of assets they lost because their campaign sucked and they had Phil Goff as a leader.

How scared are Labour? They are throwing every narrative at National National in a desperate attempt to get something to stick. Even with their levels of political diarrhoea they are struggling to find enough shit to try and throw.

Which leaves them with nothing but the old national-party-research-unit-via-third-party smear campaign. “Look” they get their proxies to cry, “look at these leaked documents showing public money being spent on this referendum, oh and unions! boo!”.

Another “National using proxies” attack on Kiwiblog. Without evidence again. IrishBill is in tricky territory here,  proxy for a party or union shit could be as easily claimed (with the same lack of evidence).

Of course the problem with this is that the money spent by the Greens and Labour on this petition would have been spent by them on this kind of thing anyway.

Irish is ignoring the problem being highlighted – that Greens and Labour are abusing our democratic process by hijacking CIR (Citizens Initiated Referenda) for party political purposes.

In fact I’d suggest that spending dollars on helping get Kiwis a say on their assets is more acceptable to the electorate than a party spending that money on, say, regular polling by a guy who also runs a blog that (and now we’re full circle) roll out smear campaigns against democratic processes.

He excuses this abuse (because it’s for a cause he supports) and launches into a highly hypocritical smear alleging smear campaigns.

As an aside, I note David Farrar has described this as “The taxpayer purchased referendum”. The Greens have been very open about how they are spending parliamentary funds on this.

The Greens have not been “very open”. Their use of parliamentary funds was uncovered.
The Greens have not been “very open” about their intent with the petition/referendum.The Greens have not yet been “very open” about what they may or may not intend to do with the contact information harvested from the petition.

Perhaps David would like to follow their example of transparency and let us know how much parliamentary funding he has been paid over the years. (Perhaps he could title the post “The taxpayer purchased blogger).

David Farrar is one of the most open and transparent bloggers in New Zealand. Far more transparent, for example, than “IrishBill”.

Who is “IrsihBill”?
Who is IrishBill paid by?
Who does “IrishBill represent when he blogs?

And getting into transparency arguments and funding of bloggers is very risky for an author at The Standard.

But back to the document in question. I have no doubt that someone in Labour’s top team would be stupid enough to leak something like this for some cleverdick tactical reason (just wait for Trevor or Phil to start whispering that it’s Cunliffe – despite the fact this is a document that only the leadership team would have), but it looks like a work of fiction to me.

Having tried to discredit the Government and discredit the blogger Irish turns to trying to discredit the evidence – with a bit of internal Labour discrediting thrown in while he’s at it.

Or perhaps the work of a junior staffer playing out some masters of the universe fantasy. If only because no experienced Labour hack would have made such a ridiculous assertion about pressuring the unions. Simply because the unions would have told them to fuck off. And they know it.

A bit more discrediting, and interestingly a plug for those feisty unions.

But that’s all by the by because, unfortunately for National, everyone sees through this kind of behaviour to their motivation. 

Now speaking for “everyone”.

Perhaps some of “everyone” will see through IrishBill’s kind of behaviour here, and question his motivation. That would be an unfortunate backfire for the leprechaun.

And that motivation is their fear of democracy.

Why would National fear democracy? So far democracy is favoring them.

National  have been democratically elected as by far the biggest party in our Parliament.
National have democratically porgressed their MOM bill through our democratic Parliament.National have been supported by two court cases.

National are doing what they are democratically able to do. What whould they fear?

Labour, Greens and IrishBill have fought an election on asset sales.
Labour, Greens and IrishBill have campaigned against asset sales since then.
Labour, Greens and IrishBill promote a referendum that hijacks people’s democracy.

Perhaps Labour, Greens and IrishBill fear their campaign has failed – the Mighty River Power share float is under way, it looks to be unstoppable.

Perhaps Labour, Greens and IrishBill fear that all their efforts have failed.

They fear that they have fertilised a huge political lemon.

IrishBill sounds like he has tasted this lemon, he sounds very sour.

He does what some on the left do, he launches a sour attack. But the lemon on his face doesn’t disguise his fear that the Labour-Green tactical leprechaun may be lost in the garden on the left.

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