In contrast to Kiwiblog’s tentative steps to clamp down on abusive behaviour The Standard continues to hand out bans almost left, right and centre – the left of the left continue to abuse with impunity while unwelcome contributors are excluded with bans, often accompanied by a tone setting abusive lecture from Lyn Prentice.
Here are examples of abuse and bans on a single thread at The Standard yesterday.
Hard left regulars can be abusive and make unsupported assertions while relatively innocuous responses can cop a harsh ban:
Another regular abuser makes an unproven assertion – “Prime Minsiter’s Office stealing”…
..and a relatively reasonable response cops a permanent ban, plus some typical abuse from the ‘moderator’. Yeah, his blog etc etc but he sets the tone and gives favoured lefties a free shot at anyone and typically if the target reacts he bans them.
It can’t be defamatory when it is a general comment and not directed at anyone in particular.
“He published stolen emails.”
ok – real slowly now – everyone clap along so infused can keep track
He published stolen emails. – AS…. A…. JOURNALIST. – not as an MP sneaking about someones computer system or as a hate blogger
Oh, so are journalists entitled to steal emails?
[lprent: Asserting a crime that never happened - which is defamatory. Banned for simple trolling and simply being too stupid to be bothered with as well. ]
Being “too stupid” is Lynspeak for making the wrong arguments so the excising of unwelcome opinions continues although in this case it’s unclear how long the ban is.
“they raid journalists over the tea cup tapes…
what is your definition of a journalist?’
This so called journalists hid a microphone at the table,
the smart arse little prick should have lost his job.
[lprent: You mean hidden like this?
See that wee bag in the foreground - that is it being "hidden"
Take 2 weeks off for bullshitting just a tad too much. If you want to make myths up, then do them on your own time. Stop wasting mine looking up an image for you. ]
A response to the ‘Infused’ ban:
One Anonymous Bloke and Weka both abuse with impunity and both have been involved in actions aimed at driving away or prompting bans of commenters they don’t like.
On just the one thread One Anonymous Bloke continues a string of abusive comments and highly questionable claims with no moderator demands to provide evidence.
- PS: Oh look everyone: a National Party representative advocating that the Police use powers of search and seizure to punish witnesses.
No wonder the National Party are trash with that attitude.
- Didn’t take you long to expose your true character, did it, Wormtongue.
- Keep denying reality, you already look like a complete idiot.
- They’ll be raiding Slater and the Prime Minister’s Office to ascertain exactly who in that office hacked the New Zealand Labour Party’s computers, stealing membership and credit card details, any day now.
Unless they’re enemies of society, operating under double standards, that is.
- So Slater is either a thief or a perjurer, just to bring you up to speed.
- Are you witless as well as ignorant? You’ve already been informed of the Police complaint.
We need better wingnuts.
- Please try and get up to speed Mike: Slater gave evidence in the High Court that the emails are genuine. In the emails he boasts about stealing credit card and membership details from the NZLP with as-yet un-named accomplices from the Prime Minister’s Office.
- Please stop exposing your cretinous ignorance in public. You’re a joke.
- It seems to you, and no-one else. Evidence that the Prime Minsiter’s Office has admitted to be true: they stole from the NZLP, doesn’t seem to concern you.
That’s because you’re either mendacious or ignorant or twisted by bias. Which is it?
- No murder has taken place. The theft, on the other hand, has already been acknowledged by the perpetrators, although the Prime Minister’s Office (which has also acknowledged its part in the crime) is harbouring one of the accused.
That’s a common tone day after day. One Anonymous Bloke has an undisclosed connection with Labour (lprent discloses a long time connection) and this image is quite damaging to the Labour Party.
It’s also quite ironic on a blog with frequent claims that ‘dirty politics’ only comes from National.
It’s not about reasonable or balanced discussion, it’s about ‘fun':
Back to Hobbitville – the trolls there are just funny rather than frustrating me with their UTTER stupidity despite lprent’s valiant efforts.
[lprent: I don't try to eliminate them. I just try to keep the rabbits down to an acceptable level. Why would I spoil the fun. ]
Another regular from the left gets far more lenient treatment for making a far more blatant assertion, this accusation against a Labour MP and leadership contender:
Grant has solid left wing values, and stood up for the membership’s right to be heard and involved in that process, while still being a respectful chair and a loyal deputy leader.
I’m sure that is the case. However, a large number of notable MPs voted against the inclusive, democratic leadership selection process that the NZLP now uses. Grant Robertson was one of them.
[lprent: Offhand I can't think of anyway to prove this one way or another unless you were watching him in the 2012 conference. There are no records of the hand or card votes there down to branches or people. If you want to assert that, then you should also say how you know otherwise I will satrt getting finicky. KL below is completely correct in their objection. ]
If someone deemed from the right (which means moderate left to right) made an assertion like that (or probably if it was a similar claim against Cunliffe) proof would be demanded to avoid a ban. This accusation was strongly refuted…
…but no action was taken despite two witness accounts.
And on another recent thread an ominous response that hints that moderator mood could play a part in behaviour.
Political blogs like The Standard and Whale Oil (which also bans prolifically) continue to do a disservice to political discussion. They seem to be vehicles for the egos of bloggers and little consideration is given to bettering democratic debate. That’s their choice.
Kiwiblog has it’s problems but at least the discussions are not politically biased by bans of unwanted opinions.
At The Standard it’s very much left troll good, right troll bad.
The term “troll” refers to someone who deliberately incites or disrupts a social media discussion but it is more often used as a pejorative meaning little more than “I don’t want you or your opinion here”.
On blogs irony is very common, rationality far less so. Noting that Kiwiblog and Whale Oil seem to carry significantly larger audiences than The Standard and acknowledging that Prentice likes to have the last word (often enforced with a ban) I’ll end with this “more rational” comment:
Many blogs won’t carry much of an audience because of what people write. The arseholes of the net will choose to hang off the self-destructive like Slater or dive into the older sewer at Kiwiblog. The more rational will come here or to Public Address or Transport Blog where the conversations may be robust but their comments can be heard.