Key’s poll reaction

A curious headline in Stuffs’s Today in Politics:

KEY CHOOSES NOT TO REACT TO NEW ROY MORGAN POLL

Prime Minister John Key is not counting his chickens too soon after a Roy Morgan poll on Thursday had the Nats up 6 points to 46.5 at the expense of Labour, which had slipped down.

Mr Key said the Roy Morgan poll tended to ‘‘move around a hell of a lot’’ and he would wait and see what other polls said.

However,  he was not surprised that people had seen through the Labour and Greens’ power policy.

That sounds like a political reaction to me.

The poll had National Party on 46.5%, Labour on 31.5% (down 4%) and Greens 11% (down 2.5%).

One bouncy poll – see Roy Morgan poll bounce – doesn’t tell a whole story but it does look likely that National up and Labour and Greens down by significant amounts can be at least party attributed to the NZ Power announcement and subsequent publicity.

Roy Morgan poll bounce

The latest Roy Morgan poll shows either as bounce back or a reaction to the marriage bill and the NZ Power announcement and ensuing publicity.

National Party 46.5% (up 6% since April 1-14, 2013)
Maori Party 1.5% (down 0.5%)
ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0.5% (unchanged).

Labour is 31.5% (down 4%)
Greens are 11% (down 2.5%)
New Zealand First 4.5% (down 0.5%)
Mana Party 1% (up 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 2% (up 0.5%)
Others 1% (up 0.5%).

Conservatives trending up (1.0, 1.5, 2.0) suggest a bit of improvement from the marriage bill.

National up substantially to 46.5 from an unusually low result last time of 40.5 after a previous 44.0 suggests they haven’t been damaged much if at all from either the marriage bill nor the power debate.

Both Labour and Greens down suggest a possible hit as a result of their power announcements.

And the response (hardly any) at The Standard suggests a bit of glumness on the left after their celebrations after the last poll.

The next poll in a forthnight will get a better idea if this is further poll instability or a trend as a result of the power debate/

Democracy demands no National veto of Parental Leave bill

If the Parental Leave bill passes through Parliament as expected National should reconsider their threat to veto it. With both majority Parliamentary support and strong poll support National don’t have any democratic justification for opposing it.

Increasing paid parental leave from 14 weeks to 26 weeks is supported by…

  • a majority in Parliament
  • a clear majority of the public
  • John Key says National was not opposed to the idea in principle

…so it looks like a no-brainer to do it.

I understand the need for fiscal restraint, but Governments are always making decisions on allocating their budget for necessary expenditure. There is a strong social case for increasing paid parental leave, and there is a double dose of democratic support – Parliament and people.

A One News/Colmar poll confirms strong public support for the bill:

“Do you support extending paid parental leave to 26 weeks?”

Yes 62%No 34%Unsure 4%

Don’t support extended leave: National Party supporters 53%

So there is nearly 50% support even from National voters. Labour and Green supporters and younger people overwhelmingly support it.

John Key says:

“There’ll be a time I’m sure one day when paid parental leave will be expanded but it has to be when we can afford it and not when we’re running up bill on the credit card.”

That day should be the day this bill is passed by Parliament.

The problem is the cost, National claim that will be $150m a year. This is disputed by Labour, but remarkably:

Officials are currently working out the actual annual cost to the taxpayer of 26 weeks leave.

The cost should have been worked out long ago – like at least approximately when the bill was drafted, or at least as soon as possible after the bill was drawn from the Member’s ballot.

And Labour don’t help their case when they are bombing the MRP share float, which will cost the country money – coincidentally by $100-200 million by some estimates.

But National should allow what Parliament and the people want.

If they veto the Parental Leave bill, especially at this stage of their second term, they risk a voter backlash, and that would be justified.

Democracy demands no National veto of the Parental Leave bill.

Two contrasting polls

One News Colmar poll:

National 43 (-6)
Labour 36 (+3)
Green 13 (+2)
NZ First 3 (-1)
Conservative 2 (+1)
Maori Party 1
United Future 1 (+1)

This is similar to the recent Roy Morgan poll.

3 News Reid Research goes against the trend in stark contrast:

National 49
Labour 30
Green 13
NZ First 3
Conservative 2
Maori party 1

Confidence in both Key and Shearer down a bit.

Contrasting result confusion may be an appropriate result- the polls were taken before the NZ Power announcement so the political climate may have changed somewhat and are now largely irrelevant.

Roy Morgan poll – normal yoyo

The latest Roy Morgan poll shows the usual fluctuations:

National 43.5% (down 4% since late February)
Maori Party 2% (down 0.5%)
ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0.5% (unchanged).

Labour is 32.5% (up 2%)
Greens are 13.5% (up 1%)
New Zealand First 5% (up 2%)
Mana Party 0% (down 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 2% (unchanged)
Others 0.5% (unchanged).

National remain within the mostly mid-fortyish fluctuations they dropped to since the 2011 election.

Labour remain within the low thirties fluctuations they have had since the 2008 election.

Roy Morgan March 2013

Family First folly – slanted on smacking

Another slanted smacking poll, a further futile Family First folly …

Poll: People want smacking law changed

The poll of 1000 randomly selected people was undertaken by Curia Market Research for advocacy group Family First.

Respondents were asked whether the anti-smacking law should be changed to state that “parents who give their children a smack that is reasonable and for the purpose of correction are not breaking the law”.

Of those asked, 77 per cent said yes, the law should be changed. Asked whether they thought the anti-smacking law had had any effect on child abuse, 77 per cent of respondents answered no.

They were also asked whether they would still smack their child to correct behaviour, despite the law.

Two out of three respondents, or 68 per cent, said they would.

Interesting, but the question is ambiguous and far from neutral – it is loaded to get the response Family First want.

“parents who give their children a smack that is reasonable and for the purpose of correction are not breaking the law”

Without defining “for the purpose of correction” the question is vague to the point of being useless.

And what is seen as “reasonable” can be very different to different people. To some people a tap on the hand or the bum is as far as reasonable would go, but to others think using weapons (sticks, belts etc), hitting to the extent of bruising or smacking on the ear is reasonable.

And this all seems pointless apart from self justifying the Family First smacking stance, I don’t know of any plans to change the “smacking” law.

Support for buying assets defies Labour claims

In a press release after the Supreme Court decisiion on asset sales:

The Supreme Court ruling today changes nothing. Yesterday 80% of New Zealanders were against asset sales and today 80% of New Zealanders are against asset sales, say Labour Leader David Shearer and SOEs spokesperson Clayton Cosgrove.

“National’s plan to flog off our assets is a complete train-wreck. That hasn’t changed. It’s time for the Government to listen to Kiwis.

There was no indication where the 80% figure comes from.

Online polls are unscientific but can give indications of how people think. Stuff have been running a poll on buying the assets:

Stuff asset sale poll

That’s only 36% opposed, or 43% opposed or think it would be a bad investment.

And 57% who would buy shares if they had enough money.

On political polls and the ‘undecided’ vote

Further to the post on the latest Fairfax/IPSOS poll (blogged here Latest poll – the key is ‘undecided’) there has been an interesting comment at Kiwiblog fron Richard29 on the ‘undecided’:

The reporting of this poll on stuff had an interesting detail:

“Pollster Duncan Stuart said a breakdown of undecided voters suggested many were “soft” National supporters, who had started looking around.”

So basically an increasing number of people over time are getting bored of the current government that we’ve had for over 4 years, their lives haven’t really changed that much for the better, but they don’t really see the opposition as a workable government in waiting, so they are just kind of uncertain…

This also seems to gel with the differences between the Fairfax poll and the Morgan poll a few days ago. They are both on reasonably large samples and conducted at the same time, but the Fairfax poll has National at 45% and the Colmar Brunton poll has them at 49%.The big difference here is that the Colmar Brunton Poll has only 10% undecided and the Fairfax poll has 17.2% undecided. That is a massive difference and will be down to interview approach.

I’ve worked in and managed teams calling out on political surveys in NZ and Australia. The reality is that a whole bunch of people you speak to say they don’t know who they would vote for – they don’t feel that they have enough information to make a decision or they don’t want to give a ‘wrong’ answer in case they change their mind later.

Most people will give a preference if prompted with something like “So which party of the ones I listed, if you had to choose, who do you think you might prefer to vote for, even if it’s only a very small preference?” It was many years ago that I last conducted the Colmar Brunton Poll – but I’m fairly sure they employ a technique similar to this. That allows for picking up in changes of mood amongst the 20% or so of floating voters who are undecided.

The undecideds are a difficult group to get to grips with – on the one hand you don’t want to be reporting the preferences of people who are disengaged from the political process and may not show up on the day, on the other hand theirs are the votes which swing elections.

The last comments on what people base their decisions on are particularly interesting.

They are often making their decision not on the basis of a good understanding of the policies of all parties and their implications but based on broad perceptions of the political brand or personalities involved rathern than anything substantive:

  • “John Key seems friendly and down to earth”,
  • “Those Labour people seem to be quite angry and negative”,
  • “That Goff guy has been around for years”,
  • “The Greens seem young and energetic and that Maori girl co-leader has such a warm smile”,
  • “Winston is a bit of a character but he did achieve a lot for people like me with the supergold card and pension increases”.

I have suspected that many people base their preferences on overall perceptions of the personalities rather than on the policy detail that parties seem to obsess over. And over time most people see past the lipstick and make their own judgement pigs despite all the PR.

Latest poll – the key is ‘undecided’

The latest poll results, this time from Fairfax/IPSOS, show variations on other recent polls. From: National no longer a sure winner – poll

  • National 44.9% (-1.3)
  • Labour 36.3% (+1.9)
  • Greens 10.7% (+0.2)
  • NZ First 2.8% (-1.0)
  • Conservative 1.6% (+0.2)
  • Mana 1.4% (+0.8)
  • Maori 1.3% (-0.1)
  • Act 0.4% (+0.4)
  • UnitedFuture 0.1% (-0.1)
  • Other 0.5% (-1.0)

Not included in these figures – 11.1% undecided.

Note: Ipsos has for the first time adjusted the method of calculating voting intention by now excluding those who do not intend to vote. This is consistent with new guidelines on political polls from the Association of Market Research Organisations and their European equivalent. The change has resulted in a minor adjustment of some figures of no greater than 0.5 percentage points.

Detailed explanations of how a government  could be formed based on these results are pointless, this was not an election result – people think differently in an election than they do half way through a term. Small party moves in particular often happen close to an electiion – last election New Zealand surged in just the last two or three weeks to beat the threshold.

But what is possibly the key result is left until the end of  the article:

With the election probably still at least 18 months away, the big battleground will be for undecided voters, who made up 11.1 per cent of those surveyed.

Pollster Duncan Stuart said a breakdown of undecided voters suggested many were “soft” National supporters, who had started looking around.

That makes statements like “under some scenarios it would deliver a tie” irrelevant. The undecideds could be election deciders.

Vernon Small in Minor parties hold sway in dead heat

A bright spot in the data for National may be that, by a factor of two to one, undecided voters are leaning towards it over Labour. However, pollsters Ipsos suggested that could be because those voters might have recently left National and are yet to find a new home.

Tracey Watkins in Trend good for Labour but there’s a way to go

If there is a story behind the poll numbers it is that many of the undecided vote appear to be soft National voters who have started peeling away, perhaps disillusioned that after four years they are feeling no better off.

But when pushed, many still lean toward National. So Labour still has a long way to go.

And we have a long way to go until the election, twenty one months.

Black humour from the left

In David Shearer’s weekly ‘newsletter’ Shearer Says, it says:

Greetings and Happy New Year.

Naki nark pointed out…

Mr Shearer this is February not Happy New Year.

R0b admits fault,  it wasn’t quite that overdue…

[This was sent out on 30 Jan, I missed it until now - r0b]

But that is still not New Year, and the troops are stilll not happy. But they manage some black humour.

Shearer says next…

We will be holding the Government to account and standing up for the hard working Kiwis that this Government has forgotten.

Responses (referring to that and Labour’s latest poll result):

Vivacious Viper:

Mr Shearer your caucus has proved over and over that you have not held the Nact’s to account at all, there are many, many failings by the nacts and yet Labour are still 31.5%

CV Real Labour:

Relax everyone. Although I didn’t realise it at first, I’ve been advised by many people on the other thread that 31.5% is actually a good, respectable, solid number. As such we can be confident that everything is on the right track.

fenderviper:

Thanks to my son and his fondness for Harry Potter movies:

Hermione Granger: “Just relax, it’s Devels Snare, if you don’t relax it will just kill you faster!”

Ron Weasley: “Oh great now I can relax”

However there doesn’t seem to be much relaxing going on at The Standard. There are still too many political demons. Or dragons…

Jackal:

Shearer says Labour will be holding the NactUF to account, and this is met with howls that Labour hasn’t held Act to account at all. Anybody who bothers to watch Parliament TV or receives Labours press releases knows that to be untrue.

The illegality of such comments aside, they’re entirely uncalled for and you guys have obviously completely lost it.

Rhinocrates:

Sorry, but waving a stick around and declaring, “Behold, I have slain the dragon” does not mean that one has actually slain the dragon.

The dragon has to be seen to be dead – it rather helps one’s credibility. If it is lying down, not breathing and there is a sword sticking out of it, blood is leaking all over the place, the princess is safe and so on, then that’s even better.

“A hack in my department sent out a press release saying that the dragon is naughty” is not enough.

Argument over who has ‘lost it’ continues.

And QOT demands:

So, where are my fucking royalties?

This points to where QOT posted a boilerplate for constructing banal PR newsletters in November. The polls and the painstakingly pointless political platitudes have hardly changed since then.

And Whale Oil has a caption contest:

ovRjG1z-630x429[1]Looks like Labour’s carcass at The Standard.

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