Better options than referenda?

There was a big discussion on Whale Oil yesterday on government and on the Conservative Party, including on one of Colin Craig’s key policies – binding referenda.

Whale was anti referenda, anti Craig, anti Conservative Party, anti MMP. He is into old school politics, wanting one party rule (the party he prefers of course). He was also anti me:

There is no old school or even new school, just politics. It is blouses like you Pete who think there is another way, and it is people like me who run over the top of you.

But I agree with one thing he said.

The answer isn’t to change the system, it is to use the system more effectively.

I got involved in politics to look for better ways to do democracy. I had favoured more direct democracy including more use of referenda. But I now think referenda have limited benefits and a number of problems.

I think our use of binding referenda about right, having them occasionally on constitutional issues like MMP.

But our system of Citizen’s Initiated Referenda is a farce – designed by politicians to be ineffective and they can ignore them anyway. There are significant problems with referenda.

The petition/referendum system takes far too long. The current asset sales petition has taken over a year, and the referendum hasn’t been scheduled yet. That will take a few more months. In the meantime the Mixed Ownership Model legislation has passed through Parliament and the first share float has just taken place.

Referenda are far too simplistic for complex legislation, one or several Yes/No questions are often inadequate.

And it isn’t a good idea to have referenda – majority determination of legislation – for things that affect minority rights. It would be possible for the majority to disadvantage minorities.

Systems of representative democracy have become the dominant way of doing democracy for a reason – it is the most effective and practical way of doing democracy.

We elect representatives (MPs) and parties to do the decision making.

Our legislative process revolves around MP votes in Parliament, but it includes an opportunity for public input via submissions during the select committee stage. This is an important aspect but has limited use. The number of submitters is not a democratic measure, opposition to bills is often organised by parties or special interest groups who can inflate the number of submitters on one side of the argument.

But the public wants to have more say in what our Parliament decides. I think we should have more say.

If Committee submissions are too limited and referenda are too lengthy and limited how do we achieve this?

The Craig/Conservative bottom line of binding referenda is very unlikely to be accepted by either National or Labour, nor by Parliament – MPs tend to vote against reducing their power. And if it was put to Parliament it would take years to be agreed to and implemented.

And who would decide what went to referenda? Anyone wanting to oppose legislation they didn’t like would try to have it go to a referendum.

I think there is a much better way, a much quicker way – quicker to implement and quicker to operate.

I have a good idea on what I think could work, what would be more effective at giving us, the public, a better say in our politics and our legislation.

It would work with the current system. And it would be designed and used by the people, not by politicians (who generally try to increase their own power and reduce the power of the people they represent).

But I’d like to find out what other people think.

How can we, the people, use our current democratic system better? What do you think?

Conservative warning to media

A Steve Taylor has posting comments on multiple posts here and also at Whale Oil. These appear to be warnings to media (and presumably to bloggers) to be careful how they report and comment on Colin Craig.

Going by this and previous comments by Steve at Whale Oil it’s a good bet he is connected to and acting for Craig and the Conservative Party.

Warning One:

Satire site or not – Craig seems to be sending a none-too-subtle message to the MSM regarding accuracy, which I suppose is fair enough – goodness me, how often have the MSM helped themselves to material and legwork from this website, not attributed any of it to the author, or simply mis-quoted context in the “material lift”?

If I was a Journalist who was anti-Conservatives, I might make fun of Craig publically, but in a professional and private capacity, I would be more mindful that if I was to mis-quote Craig in the media, then I’m most likely up for a meaningful act of correction.

One letter from a Lawyer equals this publicity – cheaper than an ad I guess: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10879437

Warning Two:

A useful reference on media law: http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?page_id=273

From the website: Can humour be defamatory?

“Yes. Humour, satire, sarcasm, cartoons and spoofs that make fun of people can be defamatory, by holding people up to ridicule unfairly. But it can be difficult to predict whether a court will say “although dressed up as a joke, the barb is defamatory and damaging” or “no-one would take this seriously, it’s obviously just a bit of fun”. Decisions have gone both ways”.

That sounds like warnings to the media (and bloggers) – don’t mess with Colin Craig quotes!

I commented at Whale Oil on Warning One:

But Craig didn’t send a message to the MSM, this was a quiet letter to a relatively small website. Their reaction and the reaction on social media has blown it up into an MSM story. I’m not sure that this is what Craig intended, I very much doubt it.

No media takes kindly to being slapped with legal letters. It’s possible MSM may take note and take more care reporting Craig, but it’s also likely that they will just be more careful but with increased scathingness at any opportunity.

There are easy ways of ridiculing someone without satirical made up quotes – for example by using Craigs actual quotes.

And Steve responded:

“No media takes kindly to being slapped with legal letters. It’s possible MSM may take note and take more care reporting Craig” – yes, I suspect so.

So he has taken half a quote  that was not represeenting the whole point I made.

He has said “simply mis-quoted context”, and “in a professional and private capacity, I would be more mindful that if I was to mis-quote Craig in the media, then I’m most likely up for a meaningful act of correction.”

But here he has taken half of one of my sentences and quoted it (using quotation marks) which misquotes me out of context.

Perhaps he should practice what he preaches.

Shearer’s rookie chickens coming home to roost

Foxes to the right, foxes to the left, are Shearer’s rookie chickens coming home to roost?

As suggested in Shearer’s ‘gotcha’ karma David Shearer is copping flak from the right and from the left on his foreign bank account disclosure.

He is being defended (by a few), like Tom Gould at The Standard:

Don’t be silly. It’s hardly a rort. No harm done. No advantage gained. The Standing Orders say:

20 Errors or omissions

(1) Any member who becomes aware of an error or omission in any return previously made by that member must advise the Registrar of that error or omission as soon as practicable after becoming aware of it.

(2) The Registrar may, at the Registrar’s own discretion, publish amendments on a website to correct errors or omissions advised under subclause (1).

(3) Nothing in this Appendix requires members to advise the Registrar of changes to their interests that have occurred since the effective date of their last return.

But this is countered by Colonial Viper:

Note to the Shearer Bearers: more seriously, this is another reason why you don’t put 1st term back bench MPs in as Leader.

As an ordinary backbencher you are still learning the rules and the ropes; something like this would simply have been a beginners fuck up in the back pages. Happened, sort it, walk away lesson learnt.

But when it goes down as Leader, it becomes a real issue and makes you look too rookie to be PM.

And predictably Whale Oil waves his own flags at Shearer’s hoist petard…

Shearer advised IRD of his hidden off-shore bank account, but wants us to believe he “forgot” to tell parliament

and…

The Memory Hole – Banks v. Shearer

…in which he compares Shearer’s criticism of John Bank’s ‘memory lapses’ with Shearer’s.

I’ll await David Shearer falling on his own sword. It is the right thing to do, he has demanded it so often of others, perhaps he should honour his own demands for a high ethical standard.

I don’t expect that to happen.

And it won’t be long before Shearer’s comments on John Key’s memory get thrown at back at him.

Shearer may be a relative rookie but he seems to have learned one thing quickly – “Do as I say, not as I do”.

Joe Bloggs at The Standard:

Shearer has been shown to be lacking in integrity and honesty.

This helps explain why Shane Jones has been brought back to the front benches of the Opposition… when serious questions are raised about the judgement of a senior caucus member, Shearer can no longer use his own behaviour as the measure of what is right and good. His moral compass is unreliable.

The rules on filing pecuniary interests are clear. Filing a false statement, a statutory document, not once but repeatedly, requires a full investigation. It’s important to hold members of Parliament to account. That’s what Parliament does – that’s parliamentary democracy in action. Bring it on.

In the meantime Shearer must be stood down – as Mallard said of Finlayson in much less serious circumstances, “he needs to go to the sin bin and not be allowed out until he can prove that each of his declarations have been factual”

Not holding breath – but note that Mallard is neither a chicken (poultry type) nor a rookie.

How right wing am I?

It has been implied that I’m a right wing blogger going by this The Daily Blog headline:

Pete George – an example of right wing blogging falsehoods

That’s a post by Lynn Prentice but he may not have written the headline, as he reveals in a comment at Public Address:

The Daily Blog? So I sent it to them since they were starting the next day.  Looks like they toned down my title, corrected some grammar and typos and put it up.

It would be interesting to see what his choice of title was.

I have often been called right wing  – on left wing blogs.

And I have been called left wing on right wing blogs.

Accusing someone of being of the other wing is a common attempt at abuse, but can also just be through ignorance, as I suspect could be the case here.

It’s common to see people at leftie blogs like The Standard labeling everything they don’t agree with as right wing. David Shearer is accused of being right wing, as is the Labour caucus.

It’s also common to see people at rightie blogs like Kiwiblog labeling everything they don’t agree with as left wing. John Key and National are sometimes described as left wing. Some extreme commenters accuse everyone else at Kiwiblog of being socialists.

How right wing am I?

I don’t do wings.

I have a left arm and a right arm, a left leg and a right leg, a left eye and a right eye, a left hemisphere and a right hemisphere.

I speak from the centre. My heart is slightly to the left.

More seriously, I don’t buy into this political polarity painting, I don’t see things as a left/right divide. Most things are degrees in between.

I look at each issue and judge it on it’s merits. Like most people I see a need for some state assistance and regulation, but see the benefits in private enterprise.

I see the need for both personal responsibility and community responsibilities.

A right wing blogger?

Many participants in the blogosphere find a left orientated or right orientated favourite place. The seem to view other blog places as enemy territory.

But I’ve been a cross-blogger, participating in a wide variety of online forums. The reason why I am more active on right wing blogs is because I’ve been banned or blocked from some of the most prominent left wing blogs – they seem to have less tolerance for alternative views and approaches to blogging.

Here I look to sources from both the left and the right, attempting to get a variety and balance of views.

If I appear to be harder on Labour that’s because I think they deserve it, I have serious concerns about the lack of quality in alternatives to National.

If I appear to be harder on The Standard that’s becasue I think they deserve it – and also because I can challenge people at Kiwiblog and Whale Oil directly and on an even playing field, including Cam and DPF, but I’m banned from The Standard so can’t address general issues and personal attacks there.

I seek and publish views from MPs from across the spectrum.

I’m not left or right, I have cross-party interests.

I’m not a right wing blogger, or a left wing blogger. My niche is as a cross-blogger  – but I don’t very often get cross!

Chauvel’s barb backfired on party office links to blogs

Charles Chauvel made an accusation against bloggers in his valedictory speech in parliament:

In the case of the two better-known right wing blogs, those online sources are proxies for the present government, with much copy supplied directly out of ministers’ offices at taxpayers’ expense.

It has not been disputed that he was referring to Kiwiblog and Whale Oil.

“Much copy supplied directly out of ministers’ offices” is totally unsubstantiated by Chauvel, and at the new The Daily Blog Lynn Prentice implies the same accusation:

The implication that Pete George is evidentially trying to imply is that The Standard is run by Labour in the same manner that those two blogs are.

There is no evidence for and much evidence against the claim that Kiwiblog and Whale Oil are “proxies for the current Government”. In a blog post headed Pete George – an example of right wing blogging falsehoods it’s ironic that Prentice is promoting a falsehood made in parliament.

I haven’t claimed and have no reason to believe that The Standard is “run by Labour”, I was simply showing significant connections with Labour. And Prentice actually agrees with (and clarifies) Labour-Standard connections – doesn’t deny one that is directly linked to Shearer’s office.

Mike Smith – “works in David Shearer’s office”. Wow – what a inordinate level of omission. Mike retired as the long standing party secretary of the Labour party in 2009. We asked him to join me as a trustee of the trust that runs The Standard in 2010. He couldn’t resist starting to write posts later that year.

However I don’t think that anyone who knows politics is surprised that David Shearer’s office also wanted his advice on a part-time basis. He has a rather lot of political experience (unlike Pete apparently).

Smith is only an occasional poster but even Labour Party members at The Standard raised eyebrows via their keyboards about his posts during the leadership/conference stoush in November, and suggested it was copy supplied directly out of David Shearer’s office.

And I had also said:

‘James Henderson’ – believed to work for Greens in Parliament.

Prentice:

James Henderson – 22 posts. I’ll ignore the unsubstantiated whaledreck Pete George asserts. But JH always party votes Green.

And…

However with the exception of Mike Smith for Labour and JH for the Greens…

…Prentice confirms those party links.

And the other pseudonyms could be fed by anyone. This highlights problems with using pseudonyms for political purposes on blogs. David Farrar  has blogged on this:

Again, because readers have no way of knowing if an author is a genuine unique individual, one associates things they say more with the site, than them as an individual – because we do not know them as an individual.

And because we don’t know them as individuals, and they don’t openly identify their connections and motives, pseudonym users (and sites like The Standard that allow them for political purposes) leave themselves open to reasonable speculation.

‘James Henderson’ – is not a known identity, virtually any blogger using their own name reveals details about themselves over time. Not so with James Henderson. There is no indication it’s anything but a pseudonym – which could be seen as misleading and dishonest trying to pass themselves off as a ‘person’ they are not.

I don’t have direct evidence that ‘James Henderson’ is a pseudonym that uses copy supplied directly out of Green offices but there are ample indications that this could be so, and there is no denial from Prentice or anyone else.

The Greens could deny any link between their offices and ‘James Henderson’, that would settle this. Both David Farrar and Cameron Slater make detailed disclosures about themselves, their pasts and their connections.

I am not claiming (or implying) that either Labour or the Greens run The Standard.

But Chauvel’s barb has backfired, as has Prentice’s grand entrance to The Daily Blog. They have made unsubstantiated accusations about right wing blogs with “much copy supplied directly out of ministers’ offices at taxpayers’ expense“, and Prentice has shown that in fact Labour and quite possibly Greens are doing exactly that from opposition party offices (as a part of the overall blogging at The Standard).

It’s a double own goal.

Chauvel accuses Whale and Kiwiblog

In his valedictory statement in Parliament Charles Chauvel took a nasty swipe at “two better known right wing blogs” – obviously Whale Oil and Kiwiblog – with wild accusations. This indicates some paranoia in Labour circles about supposed unfairness in media.

But it’s not only Government institutions that need strengthening. Democracy requires a free, well resourced, unbiased fourth estate.

Journalists working in much of our under capitalised, foreign owned media are under constant pressure.

This comes from many quarters, including the constant need to sell newspapers and airtime, and also the need to compete with instantly available online sources.

In the case of the two better known right wing blogs those online sources are proxies for the present Government, and much copy is supplied to them directly out of ministers offices at taxpayers expense.

A general dumbing down, but more importantly a loss of independence have been the inevitable results.

To those of uas who want to read and listen to unbiased domestic news and analysis, or even for those of us who don’t really care whether John and Jacinda are still New Zealand’s sexiest politicians, there remains a diminishing number of options.

The quality of reporting and analysis now offered by PBS, ABC, the BBC, as well as the effect they have on the standard of other media, are simply not available here.

It’s high time for the re-establishment of a strong, independent, well resourced multi media broadcaster in New Zealand.

It’s more than a little hypocritical talking about unbiased balance while making major unsubstantiated accusations at two “right wing” blogs under parliamentary privilege, and making no mention of left wing blogs with obvious connections to Labour.

Video report here: Chauvel Leaves With A Parting Shot

Update: See also The Chauvel valedictory at Kiwiblog and on Charles’ valedictory at The Standard

McFlock’s false accusation

A lot of false accusations fly around the blogosphere, and I’ve been the recipient of many. In a discussion last night at The Standard about the accuracy of David Shearer’s homophobe faux pas McFlock at The Standard said:

So pete seems pretty accurate about the waffle. As supplied by Whaleoil.

That’s petty (not unusual) and wrong. As I can’t respond to McFlock at The Standard I’m pointing out his blatant bull here.

Whale Oil had nothing to do with it. If Whale Oil had been the source he would have posted on it himself. The fact is that Shearer’s radio interview was brought to my attention at The Standard.

gobsmacked

David Shearer interviewed on bFM this morning …

http://www.95bfm.co.nz/default,209942,labour-party-leader-david-shearer.sm

Too many head-desk moments to cite, but probably the worst is his reply to a simple question:

“Is there room for homophobes in Labour?”

Answer: yes, no, maybe, not a majority, something, whatever …

Basically he’s asked to explain the difference betwen a party position and a conscience vote. That’s not a trick question. You could answer it in two sentences. Shearer can’t.

That was 1.30 pm on Monday. I read that in the evening, transcribed the first part of the interview and…

Published on: Feb 18, 2013 @ 19:50

The transcript was later picked up by other blogs (including The Standard). Whale Oil didn’t post on it until the following day:

Shearer on homophobes and Labour, Robertson will move soon after this balls up
by Whaleoil on February 19, 2013

McFlock, this was a pathetic and dumb accusation, a cheap shot that doesn’t make sense.

Whale Oil supplying me with material for the  post would be like TVNZ supplying D Scene with a story and then reporting on it themselves the following day.

Shearer doesn’t need a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to discredit him (I’m not ‘right wing’ anyway), the Vast Standard Disillusionment leads the charge there – and there’s no shortage of ammunition provided by Shedarer himself.

Making democracy work

Whale Oil blogs about The Beige Dictatorship:

I think representative democracy is flawed.

We see this with political parties under MMP. We voted in MMP and threw out FPP, I didn’t but you know what I mean, precisely because people felt that they had lost control of the political process and it no longer represented them. What we got was just more of the same, but now it is even harder to get rid of dud politicians.The political parties have got more powerful not less. But not all of the political party…witness the troubles that Labour is now facing where the parliamentary wing are ignoring the wishes of the membership.

Mark my words, in coming years there will be increasing calls for state funding of political parties…that way the party hierarchy can maintain power over the system without having the annoyance of having to appeal to a mass membership.

There’s a simple reason for all of this – we keep leaving it to politicians to give us better democracy. They are mainly interested in giving themselves more power and they use and abuse democracy accordingly. The electoral rules get decided by politicians, Parties find ways of taking advantage of them, for funding, for self promotion, for election – and they have now even hijacked Citizen Initated Referenda process (that was useless for citizens anyway).

Don’t expect the MMP review and the constitutional review to make much difference.

And I think there is a simple remedy. People who want more democracy and better democratic processes need to do it themselves, not through the politicians but despite the politicians.

I have ideas for how this can be done, a two level approach. The first level is a democratically run people’s lobby group, the second level is a means of guaging public opinion on important issues.

The best way to make democracy work is to make it work, don’t expect politicians to do it on their own.

I don’t want to be too specific because I invite other ideas and opinions. Who’s interested in being involved?

 

Blog reaction to cabinet reshuffle

David Farrar at Kiwiblog posted a preview – Reshuffle expectations - in the morning and was quick with a response at 12.20 (the announcement was at noon) – Key kept that close to his chest – . He was happy that the reshuffle exceeded his expectations.

Well John Key managed to surprise me and most other people, and has done a quite significant reshuffle, with a substantial rejuvenation of the Ministry.

I’m delighted that the PM has been bolder than expected, and effectively brought forward what I thought would be a year end reshuffle. And I’m looking forward to the new Ministers making a difference in their new portfolios.

There was a moderately active comment section with 51 responses so far.

Cameron Slater at Whale Oil was also quick off the mark with John Key has announced his new cabinet.

John Key has announced his new cabinet, and has axed Kate Wilkinson and Phil Heatley.

I can understand Wilkinson, she was inept. Someone in Bill ENglish’s team had to get the axe to cover for Hekia Parata and so it was Kate. But I can’t for the life of me work out Phil Heatley…is John Key saying that Phil did a worse job than Hekia?

Although there is some renewal bringing back Nick Smith and promoting Carter shows that Key is still beholden to Bill English, and rewards tired old faces.

The renewal looks promising with Simon Bridges rising into cabinet and taking on the Labour portfolio. Let’s hope he is small-dicked about his job in that role.

Notably he doesn’t comment on Nikki Kaye. There were 18 comments.

Slater also lists the full cabinet, and follows up with two more posts Which National MPs could leave John Key up Shit Creek? (4 comments) and The Dangers of Shafting Comrade Kate (15 comments).

Scott Yorke at Imperator Fish attempts some cynical humour from a Labourite point of view in John Key’s Reshuffle Analysed.

The biggest winner is Dr Nick Smith. He returns to Cabinet after his fall from grace last year, and is appointed as Minister for Creating a Perception of Crisis in Order to Justify Savage Cutbacks in Entitlements.

The biggest losers are Kate Wilkinson and Phil Heatley, who have been dropped from Cabinet altogether. Both have failed to perform, and their inability to communicate with the smoothness of someone like Hekia Parata will have counted against them.

Gerry Brownlee is to lead a new Insulting Everyone He Meets Ministry, which will tie in with his existing role as Minister for Ruining Christchurch.

John Key said his new Cabinet line-up was a strong one, and would bring a renewed energy to the task of doing very little to address the nation’s biggest problems.

He acknowledged that a number of MPs had been unlucky to miss out on Cabinet positions.

“I feel for the likes of Tau Henare, Melissa Lee, Maggie Barry, Katrina Shanks, John Hayes, and Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi.

“Any one of them would have made a superb Minister of Foot in Mouth. But Gerry’s doing such a fine job I just had to leave him there.”

A curious double dig at Brownlee who didn’t figure in the announcement or any coverage.

This post didn’t generate any comment.

Bunjii at The Standard had a pre-dig at the expected changes in

There was some comment before the announcement and some afterwards totalling 37 comments but it was more factual and subdued than critical which suggests an acknowledgement that it was a good announcement (for National).

Whale oil be still fighting back

There’s been a substantial show of opposition to Whale Oil’s nasty post against ginger haired people in Told you they’d start fighting back.

Whale has tried to defend his action claiming he is not bullying and making with outlandish suggestions ginger kids should resort to violence and attack bullies – and his post linked to a bullied teen in the US shooting his bullies. Here are his responses and defenses and my responses:

Fuck you guys are touchy…in fact this is very sooky behaviour.

I sent this link to one of my best mate with the subject line “I knew you fuckers would fight back one day” … he laughed and gave me some more ideas…bullys only learn to exist if they get away with it…you aren;t helping your kids by being sooks, they should line up the biggest one and smash them over…then stand over them and ask how they liked them ginger apples.

Honestly harden up…you are quite pathetic

No, it’s you that are way out of line on this.

I’ve heard the “my mate laughed so it’s ok” excuse before and that’s what is pathetic. Because some may laugh doesn’t excuse this sort of crap.

It can cause a lot of grief to not only people with the “wrong” colour hair but also to family. Deep hurt for some.

Apart from being fucking stupid promoting violence as a way of resolving problems, aren’t you aware that people with ginger hair are likely to be a minority of one amongst a bunch of thugs?

You’re the one without any hint of soul on this. You’ve been sensitive on some things, I’m surprised you are oblivious to how insidious and nasty this appearance targeted bullying is.

That is certainly an option, so is your son punching said bullies in the head…giving them a taste of red power.

I’m told I’m a dick all the time, that I won;t be successful, that I’m fat, that i’m a greasy blowfly…that I’m mental…using your definition that is all bullying…i get worse…including emails telling me to kill myself.

The comments and actions by those people say more about them than they do about me…honestly people need to stop feeling outrage over every little thing…htfu…we have become a nation of sooks

What’s sooky about standing up to bullying crap like this?

Because it isn’t bullying is is panty-waist sookiness on your part.

You’re contradicting yourself. You say that kids should harden up and stand up to bullies and nastiness but that blog commenters are sooky if they do likewise.

Who says it is bullying?…frankly people are being way too gay these days calling everything bullying.

My Ginger mate rang me up tonight and suggested that I had missed the point about the article I linked to….he thought the reason why his ginger brethren missed everyone on his shooting spree was because he was too used to the dark and the sunlight was squinting his eyes.

Bullying and being a nasty prat is not excused because someone thinks it’s funny.

Its the berserker gene that comes with being ginger…you know from the Vikings…that and the mutant gene pool

Recessive genes most likely…the berserker gene…polite terms for mutant genes.

There has been more beserkness demonstrated by ginger bashers.

Too true Travis. I’d rather be a bully than a ginger though.

It does seem that you would rather be a bully. Using your hard earned social media power in this way is a real shame.

Nasty blogging detracts substantially from blogger credibility and effectiveness.

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