‘Angry Andy’

Cameron Slater continues to push the ‘Angry Andy’ meme amongst his prolific (several posts a day) attacks on Andrew Little. Even when the posts don’t seem tio be targeting Little he gets barbs in, like today in “Independent” political commentator Bryce Edwards has no clue:

“so now the pressure is on Angry Andy”

“Angry Andy is stuffed”

But this isn’t getting much traction. Fair enough to describe someone as angry when they display anger, but to keep claiming something on a daily basis when there’s no sign of it then it just looks tedious.

Apart from Whale Oil repeats the angry meme doesn’t seem to have been picked up anywhere else, but this description came up once in Parliament last November. 3 News reported:

Andrew Little fired up over Dirty Politics

Andrew Little has taken the Dirty Politics debate to a new level.

The new Labour leader told Mr Key to “cut the crap” in Parliament today.

“Why doesn’t he [Mr Key] just cut the crap and apologise to New Zealanders for running a smear machine out of his office?” he said.

That’s been criticised by some but I don’t see anything wrong with it. Parliament could do with a lot more straight talking and crap cutting.

Mr Key has responded, saying it is going to be a “very interesting three years”.

Labour liked Mr Little’s call so much they made an online ad, while Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce created a new nickname for Mr Little.

“He looks a bit like Angry Andy,” he says.

Perhaps Slater has taken that and kept running with itt, but he’s the only one continuing with it.

Mr Little is fuming about Dirty Politics.

“Why won’t [Mr Key] admit the truth – that his office worked with his blogger to use information held by his security agency to attack his political rival, and the buck stops with him?”

But Mr Key said that was not truth.

He is refusing to take responsibility for the way former deputy chief of staff Phil de Joux used inside information from former SIS spymaster Warren Tucker, with Mr Key’s taxpayer-funded dirt-digger Jason Ede working with Slater, who obtained it under the Official Information Act (OIA) to attack then-Labour leader Phil Goff.

“The black ops operator, Jason Ede, two doors down, doing his job, ringing up the bloggers, manipulating the OIA and getting the attack lines out,” says Mr Little.

Slater might want to keep bringing up this sort of history and his links with Key, whikle Key seems to have wanted to distance himself with as little fuss as possible.

But if Slater keeps promoting negative nickname memes through Whale Oil like this then Key is at risk of being seen as associated and tainted no matter how distant he is from the ongoing Whale Oil campaign,

If Little is smart he could use this to his advantage. Not by dredging up ‘Dirty Politics’, but by turning the ‘Angry’ into a positive.

There’s a difference between uncontrolled rage type anger and justified irate anger.

If Little occasionallly displays controlled anger as long as it looks justified then it could work to his advantage. If people feel pissed off about something they won’t mind seeing a party leader pissed off about it, as long as it’s not overdone.

People like strong leaders so this could strengthen Little’s credibility. But he has to get it about right. David Cunliffe’s emotion sometimes looked contrived (along with other things he tried), adding to his difficulties. Phil Goff can sometimes get into extended anger that can go too far.

Helen Clark could effectively display anger without putting on a display. Sometines just a withering look is enough.

Politicians are human. They’re allowed to have normal human emotions, like anger, and it should be fine for them to show it.

So there’s nothing wrong with saying forecfully “I’m bloody angry about this”  (or “cut ther crap”). If you then move on to a suggest some positive alternative action then all the better.

As long as Little doesn’t start throwing microphones across the house in a rage then a bit of hackle with the heckle won’t hurt.


Slater has just posted another attack on Little – Who is Andrew Little? Can Andrew Little Speak Under Pressure? Slater is trying to put pressure on Little but I don’t know if any of it will get through. He continues his meme.

“He gets all angry and shouty and doesn’t look as if he is in control at all”

“He gets angry and shouty, and loses his composure”

He also compares Key to Little – Key after eight years as party leader and six years as Prime Minister, versus a rooky.

The key will be comparing them during the campaign in 2017. Little has time, but he’s got a lot to learn.

The Blubble

Whale Oil run by Cameron Slater was a ground breaking blog – over the top nasty at times but very successful at attracting attention and also did well at breaking stories.

For reasons that are still unclear in the middle of last year draconian moderation transformed the blog. Alternate opinions and colourful opinions were banned out of the blog. Vibrancy vanished.

Whale Oil morphedn into what is now little more than a blubber bubble, or blubble.

This is largely attributed to chief ‘moderastor’ Pete Belt, presumed to be due in part to Slater being too busy on other things to play an active role. But Slater has let it happen and played a part, so the responsibility is his – unless he’s under orders.

The posts are now mostly repetitive trivia.

And the comments threads rarely raise themselves above the praise of puppets.

Ex-Whale Oil insider ‘TravDog’ commented here recently:

I read the blog for the first time in ages today, and had a look at the post about the boxing bout. It’s not until you’ve gone away for a while and come back to realise how deluded and psychophantic and gushing some of the readers are. People trade in their dignity and nearly trip over themselves in awe to fawn over a blog and a human being. It’s a bit sad.

Yes it is a bit sad to see it reduce to Slater and the psychophants.

And ‘Sponge’ sums things up well:

I don’t despise him. There are very, very few people in this world I despise.

However I think Belt has overseen and greatly contributed to the demise of WO as a serious blog. While the stats may show growth I feel that it is despite, rather than because of, his involvement. If it was not for “Dirty Politics” and the resultant publicity I think that the stats would have been plummeting. You can see the desperation in some of his posts (especially about the concrete cancer issue) to be taken seriously as media. Cleaning up the language worked well and I will admit I had my misgivings about that but the massive censorship of dissenting opinions that started a few months ago just killed WO as a worthwhile place to visit and I place the blame for that squarely at the feet of Belt. WO used to be a fairly visceral place but by god it was good. Now? Just an echo chamber.

I have no problem with Cameron Slater as I feel he has been taken for somewhat of a ride by Belt. Also he has always been pretty respectful to the commenters on the site – unlike Belt who is downright condescending to the very people that used to keep that site worth visiting.

I don’t think that’s quiotev accurate. Slater used to respect commenters and he championed robust debate. But he built up the forum and then at least allowed it to be decimated, shitting in his own nest.

Commenters with gumption were either banned or blown away by the bull.

Whale Oil is now little more than a blubble (with both Slater and Belt blubbering about their new-found impotence and unimportance).

Either Slater is happy with how it has turned out or he’s powerless to have prevented it. Recovering the mojo looks unlikely.

Slater used to pride himself on being able to dish it out in massive dollops. Expect Angry Ian to be on here wailing about a bit of mild criticism. There’s a similar contrast between WO then and WO now. An opportunity sunk.

An accurate pollster on the payroll

David Farrar posted Is Key on drugs ask du Fresne? at Kiwiblog. He quoted from a column by Karl Du Fresne: John Key: Mr Nice Guy’s unbelievable aura of serenity:

I have never met John Key, but like anyone who follows politics I’ve been able to observe him via the media. And after studying him carefully, I think I now realise the explanation for much of his behaviour. He’s on drugs.

Not the illegal kind, I should stress, but the mood-calming type that doctors prescribe. This may sound flippant, but consider the following.

In the 2014 election campaign, Key was subjected to possibly the most sustained media offensive faced by any prime minister in New Zealand history. Day after day he was tackled by an aggressive media pack trying to trap him on dirty politics, illicit surveillance and other touchy issues.

His answers were often unsatisfactory, which served only to ramp up the media frenzy. But through it all, he appeared supernaturally imperturbable. He patiently batted away reporters’ questions and accusations with his familiar bland inscrutability. There were no meltdowns, no hissy fits, no petulant walkouts.

This was downright unnatural. No politician should be that unflappable. He can have achieved it only by the ingestion of large amounts – indeed, industrial quantities – of tranquillisers.

Cameron Slater explains at Whale Oil that the serenity is based on accurate polling.

No Karl, the serenity comes from having an accurate pollster on the payroll.

That way you know that, despite the baying pack of dogs that is the press gallery, your policy platform is being well received, your party is performing well and that Twitter and Facebook aren’t the real world.

This is why John Key thanked David Farrar on election night, he was the one who provided the information daily to John Key to let him know that Dirty Politics, the plot of the left-wing to unseat his government, wasn’t working as they expected.

I agree. Knowledge may not be power but it can help a lot, if it’s accurate knowledge.

Contrast that with the inept polling and claims by people who should know better like Rob Salmond and David Talbot. Salmond constantly inflated Labour’s real poll results, sometimes by up to 10%, giving his small band of readers and assorted hangers on, including the leadership of Labour at the time false hope.

Inaccurate knowledge can be worse than none.

Serenity comes from accuracy, panic comes from idiocy and losing your head.

Slater can still write insightful posts (if he wrote it).

It is said that Key relies heavily on his monitoring of public opinion as provided by Farrar’s Curia polling. It is certainly going to be more useful than reading blog opinions, which are slanted towards the vocal fringes (except here of course!)

Thomas Jefferson to Joseph Cabell, 22 January 1820:

…my hopes however are kept in check by the ordinary character of our state legislatures, the members of which do not generally possess information enough to percieve the important truths, that knolege is power, that knolege is safety, and that knolege is happiness.

Key may not always be happy with what happens but he is safely in power for now.

Boxing big mouth Slater slapped down

Cameron Slater is going to fight Jessie Ryder in a Fight For Life.

Celebrity boxing pits Cameron ‘Whaleoil’ Slater against Jesse Ryder

Cameron Slater says he knows he sells newspapers, so now he’s ready to sell pay-per-view television – even if he knows the viewers might be switching on to watch him get knocked out.

The controversial Whale Oil blogger and the subject of the Dirty Politics scandal will make his ring debut in Christchurch on March 28, against former New Zealand test cricketer Jesse Ryder.

Slater might be at a disadvantage – having to fight clean. Staged boxing is different to mud wrestling with pigs.

And if the fight goes well, Slater has a list of opponents he would like to meet next – headed by Dirty Politics author Nicky Hager, television host John Campbell and New Zealand Herald journalists David Fisher and Matt Nippert.

“I would even lose 40kg to get into the ring with Nicky Hager,” said Slater, who plans to drop a more modest 11kg down to 100kg to meet Ryder. “Any of those four, I will lose weight and match their weight to get into the ring with them, but I suspect they lack the stones to do it.

His blogging has become largely impotent but this seems a bit pathetic attention seeking.

Slater admitted he would be the underdog against Ryder, who knocked out radio presenter Mark Watson three years ago in his only bout.

He said many might tune in to see Ryder knock him down: “Yes, but none of them are brave enough to get into the ring to do it themselves. None of the cowards on Twitter are prepared to get into the ring with me.”

Big talk.

The ultimate slapdown:

Ryder admitted he had no idea who Slater was…

Blog vultures

In the previous post Left versus lefter Martyn Bradbury proves to be the champ of chumps but one barb against Lynn Prentice does have some (partial) merit.

Blah blah Lynn – you are a Labour Party middle class stooge from the old school. 60 years olds using ‘dickhead’ as vernacular is embarrassing.

I’m not 60 and I know Lynn is younger than me so that part is nonsense (although he does come across as a cranky old bugger).

But Prentice is an old school Labour activist floundering in the 21st century, as he demonstartes in a response to me at The Standard.

I said “perhaps left wing blogs will stop their bloody mindedness, stop attacking anyone deemed to not fit some narrow ideal, and stop infighting (as per today) and support the recovery instead of scrapping over who gets to dig deeper holes.”

Prentice responded.

It’d be nice. However there is the usual problem. We could “turn the other cheek” to left blogs, right blogs, blogs that think they are in the ‘centre’, politicians, media or whoever. However experience tends to show that when we do that all it does is simply encourage idiots to attack more.

Confronting crap is an important part of political debate.

They usually go off to create stupid myths that consist largely of people telling each other that they have heard for someone else. It then causes considerable extra work explaining to thick buggers who can’t think (umm a face comes to mind) that regardless what they’d heard, it didn’t happen.

These days I’ll ignore some of it, do a few warning shots. If people don’t take the warnings then I will go into problem fixing mode. That consists of wading in when the tactical position is suitable, ripping their entails out and spreading them on the ground for the vultures.

He thinks that’s what he does. And he has a very loose leash on his resident vultures at The Standard. It might have been effective in public bar political arguments last century but when printed in permanent public record in new century social media it looks at best big dickish.

If it happens again, then I will simply escalate how badly I eviscerate. If it gets too irritating repetitive then I figure out a debilitating meme to cover them with to see if I can increase the risk of peritonitis. It isn’t pretty, but it is usually highly effective eventually at preventing people trying to climb somewhere on our sites carcass.

But it isn’t effective. Prentice doesn’t seem to have comprehended the sating about repeating the same old mistakes.

However the reflex is almost entirely reactive. If people stop attacking stupidly then I will usually stop ripping into them (unless I start thinking that they are a real danger).

I do find it pretty damn irritating when fools start trying to claim silly crap like blogs screwing them up because they’d prefer to believe it rather than looking at real problems. Like what in the hell are their MSM liasons and politicians doing? Having a single “senior MP” playing silly games is a hundredfold more damaging. Chris Carter for instance.

Blogs may have a major impact on general public opinion. They sometimes do if they manage to get the MSM interested – because you’re trying to affect millions of people. That was the success of the dirty politics resonance chamber until Hager nobbled it.

Despite the grand dreams of Cameron Slater in particular blogs rarely have a major impact on general public opiniion. The vast majority of people don’t know that Whale Oil or The Standard exist let alone carfe about there attempts at influencing opinion.

And as Slater has discovered if they repeat the nasty bastard approach it is more likely to turn opiniion against them. They might have small wins but eventually the shit catches up with them.

But where blogs have an effect is inside the political parties and chattering classes. The reason for that is obvious. There are only a few 10’s of thousands there. In the case of political parties, when politicians start working at cross-purposes with their party members that starts showing up in the public sphere pretty damn fast these days.

When blogs keep working at cross purposes to decent debate it contributes to making their associated parties look like dirty rabble.

If a politician can’t convince their own members that a course of action is the way to go, then I suspect that they will fail badly with the public as well. David Shearer being a particularly good case in point. perhaps he should have read the blogs?

The most vociferous participants on blogs like The Standard and Kiwiblog (comment at Whale Oil has been neutered and is now a tame chorus) are not a good target for parties to impress. Many of them are the unsatisfiable idealists and extremists.

Reading The Standard will give a neutral observer little idea about Labour Party thinking and behaviour is likke. It is likely to do little other than deter an imvolvement in poltical debate or with Labour. Most people don’t want to walk into an abusive uninviting environment.

So the blog becomes little more than a poor advertisement for it’s associated party, discouraging decent debate and contributing to widespread disillusionment with politics.

And Prentice and his entrailing and wailing is one of the biggest culprits, one of the left’s worst enemies of progressing and rebuilding in the 21st century. Which is a shame because The Standard could be far more effective if it encouraged far less vitriol.

Ditto Kiwiblog and National, except that David Farrar has a hands off approach and isn’t a recidivist arsehole.

Political blogs could contribute a lot to the political discourse in New Zealand. Unfortunately when some olf the biggest are controlled by the likes of Slater, Prentice and Bradbury the prospects don’t look great.

It’s their own entrails that they are spreading out, and their own vultures picking over the bones.

Maybe there simply isn’t the market for positive political blogs.

Which would be a pity because the voting public are fed up with dirty politics and dirty blogging.

It baffles me why Prentice things that being a blowhard arsehole will achieve anything positive.

Left versus right, blog versus blog

I posted Left wing wishes and fantasies and Right wing wishes and fantasies without comment so they could be seen sas they were posted by those who’s ideas of policies they were.

Note that it doesn’t represent ‘left’ versus ‘right’ thinking, ikt represents views on one left leaning blog and one right leaning blog..

The Standard comments would represent something like the left half of the left.

And the Whale Oil comments are fairly far right, and with a narrow range of views given that many people have been banned from Whale Oil for not complying with their moderation policies. People with differing ideas and views top Slater and Belt have been ecluded from commenting by design.

There is little input on both threads from where the bulk of New Zealand voters sit on the political spectrum, the centre, centre-left and centre-right.

The Standard thread has a wider range of policy ideas and wish lists. It’s a fairly unfettered environment. It includes comments by Standard regulars but there’s also a number from infrequent commenters.

The Whale Oil thread is dominated by anti-Maori and anti-Treaty of Waitangi comments, probably because that was the first thing posted on and Whale Oil has become sheep dominated – if you keep agreeing with Slater you are less likely to be banned.

It also included grizzle of the moment, Muslims and immigration.

So the two threads are representative of views of The Standsard and Whale Oil rather than of the left and the right.

There is little likelihood of most of these policies geting anywhere near Parliament via either National or Labour,

Right wing wishes and fantasies

A Whale Oil posts asks What is one thing about New Zealand you would love to fix, if you had the power to?

Featured Comment (‘steve and monique’):

Remove the treaty, and its collective trough industry.

LM Bach:

We could start with that traitor Finlayson, then turf out the rest of that ‘tribunal’ and see if they get jobs in the real world. What a scam!


Put all beneficiaries on contraception and drug test them weekly. Any drugs, no benefit.

You do realise maoris are not indigenous.

Amanda Atkinson

… also remove rednecks, [ MOD – redacted. please read our commenting rules or risk having your comments removed or account blocked. ] Get rid of Treaty Troughers, yes agreed. The treaty is not the problem. Whinging Maori AND rednecks are the problem. Most Maori, just want what was stolen to be given back, but do not use it an excuse to be destructive or useless citizens. Most Pakeha, want the the Treaty settled, so long as the money is going to filter down (again, yes get rid of the Treaty Gravy train and its troughers). Rednecks are no better than those whinging Maori who blame the white man for everything. Both are minorities. Both are part of the problem, and not not part of the solution. Both are given far too much air time.

[MOD – redacted personal attack ]

A discussion continues on treaty/Maori issues. Plus:


NZ, get shot of the treaty NOW, zero entitlements, nothing, no special funding for anything maori, just one set of rules, one equal set of Kiwi’s and all living together in a special corner of the world.

Sailor Sam:

Get rid of the “maori” seats in parliament, dismantle the “treaty” gravy train.
Any of the “part” maori who do not like this, go home to Hawaiiki.

More responses:


Send KDC home and stop Muslim immigration

Albert Lane:

Make the drinking age 20.

Re-instate the offence of drunkenness in a public place.

Institute severe penalties for assaulting police officers and for verbally abusing police officers in the course of their duty.

Odd Ball:

Sort out Auckland’s council structure & powers, in order to clip the wings of any present & future mayor,


I would like NZ to revoke the right for women to vote.
Its been down hill ever since they started.

If you get all emotional it scares you.
But if you think logically it makes sense.
It did for a few thousand years until the late 19th century and we never had a world war, let alone two of them


I would like people to have to sit an exam before they can vote. I sat the British Citizenship Exam and voted in the last election there. I want to see those that are level-headed and motivated deciding who runs our country, not the agenda-driven or conspiracy-driven.

One New Zealand, No Dickheads.


Ditch MMP


RMA, then a radical change in function. At the moment it is just a revenue gatherer and just stifles progress. protection to the environment is needed but the RMA in its current form just kills progress. Plus its used as a weapon by the greenies for their extreme agenda’s, eg, Miss C.Brown C/- Wellington Council


 ….the police almost certainly know who belongs to the gangs locally , so declare them criminal organisations , make it a crime to be in a gang , arrest them , get them off the streets and send them to White Island with no food and water…where they can happily ignore our societies laws and values all they like.


I would like to get rid of the central banksters, I’m sure the Fed in the USA has some influence on them. Not sure why we need a central bank run by crooks.


Reform the Local Government Act to stop councils running commercial businesses.GoingRight:


I would like to see the unions disappear.

Wallace Westland:

I’d like to see the end of the Super city..


Legally define Islam as an ideology of hate and then use that law to ban Muslim immigration. 
Use the law again to close mosques and Islamic schools and ban proselytising by Muslims.

No more Treaty payments and that includes the top-up rort that at least one iwi wangled out of the Crown.

Go back to a FPP electoral system.

Set up a “wasteful spending office” (since Audit NZ don’t seem to be monitoring that) and take the chainsaw to government and local government spending.

Ali Gates:

Introduce after 6 months of unemployment benefits work for the dole and ensure equal student benefits not getting paid a student allowance because you have a rich mommy or daddy is unfair

Huia (last one but a biggie):

I also would like to see an end to the Treaty issues, they have gone a long way in addressing most of them, but there are still a few to go. Get it over and done with, then NZ can move forward instead of dwelling continually in the past. Of course there are always those who will dwell in the past so the issues will never ever be totally resolved. The costs have cost us all dearly, this country is suffering because of something that happened mostly well before our time through trying to do the right thing.
I would like to see a halt on immigration for a few years, tighter border controls in place, if you cant abide by our laws then you are gone….no 5th and 6th chances, you have done it in your own nest and your citizenship has been revoked.
I would like to see beneficiaries made to earn their way in those jobs that migrants are being bought in for, the work is here, if they wont work…no benefit. If you have a second child whilst on a benefit then you are earning too much on that benefit if you can afford to breed.
I would like to see people being made responsible for their own children instead of the PC brigade stepping in and taking over the parents responsibility. How will these people get it through their heads that children are their responsibility if a do gooder is waiting in the wings to earn their place in heaven. Tough love…you are responsible for your own actions. That is how you learn. We live in a great place where the opportunity to eat very well is here, we can grow pretty much anything and can eat very healthy. There is no excuse not to, so the answer is laziness and the knowledge that someone else will put it right for you. Get off your bum and work.
I would like to see tougher sentencing where life meant life and you pay dearly for the crime you have committed, especially against children. I never want to see another murder trial controlled, manipulated and played out in the media by the likes of team Bain. The Bain trial was a complete travesty of justice and should never be allowed to happen like that again. Facts are facts, innuendo, gossip and hearsay have no place in a court room and should never have been allowed to be presented as facts…totally screwed the trial and cost the taxpayer dearly. The Justice system really does need an overhaul, especially when you get a lying, cheating, German criminal tie up the courts with his antics,(the cost is enormous), then to get an MP released from his position on a criminal’s and his paid retainer’s word alone…something very wrong there.
I am really tired of the left and media banging on so negatively when we live in such a great place, so would love to see them actually be positive, show some guts and get out from under the union umbrella, this would probably earn them more votes from everyone for a start. For God’s sake stop being so dammed negative, its draining on the mind.
I would definitely like to see MMP gone and the time wasting in Parliament reduced.
I am not happy with the movement onto the gravy train of local councils by the left wing, they are anti progress, negative, ineffective and not in the least business minded, so how can they run a council?….they cant ! as we have seen by Auckland’s pathetic example. These people cannot run business’s, so councils please stop dabbling in the business world, concentrate on running the council and only the councils, if you want to dabble in business then save up and purchase your own and stop misusing the ratepayers hard earned money.
I would like to see our defense force increased to cover the air again, and given the balls to act like they should act in defending our country, its waters and our laws. Again if you cant abide by our laws then you are gone, fair means or foul. We really need to take stock about this and recognize where the world is going at the moment, there is a move afoot which will hurt all of us, therefore we need some protection and the confidence our shores will be taken care of.
I think we need to stop importing useless crap from China, a stupid $1.50 toy which breaks as soon as you get it home leaves a huge carbon footprint, surely we can do better than this. Why this desperation for garbage?
Id like to see our education system improved, teachers paid what they are truly worth. Not all teachers…just the good ones doing a good job, which means we need to screen teachers and make sure they are well educated, dedicated enough to really want to teach our children, and not just fall into the job because it seems to be the easiest one around. Id like to see children’s education taking in the movement of money (international and domestic), in depth budgeting, property purchasing. Sex education hasn’t worked as the kids are still getting pregnant only in bigger numbers. They are active earlier too which is a worry. I think the schools should concentrate on sending better balanced, better educated in the ways of the world kid’s out into the world. No pregnant and illiterate as so many of them are now.
I would also like to see the sale of massive tracts of land in NZ to people living overseas be stopped. No good for us and no good for anyone except the overseas owner. The Chinese are buying up large land tracts in the food baskets of the world, do you think they will share with us if things get tight? I don’t have that confidence. You go to their country, try to buy a large tract of land, it wont happen. I believe we need to hang on to our land. Large tracts can surely be broken up into smaller tracts and farmed successfully for kiwi’s by kiwi’s.
Will get off the soap box now but thanks for the vent.

Once were journalists

A very ironic post at Whale Oil – NZ HERALD, RIP - that claims ‘Once Were Journalists’.

Once_Were_Journalists_poste-630x760Cameron Slater once claimed to be a journalist. It’s true that he has done some journalist-type work amongst his posts for pay. The trouble is that it’s impossible to be sure which is which.

When credibility has crumbled…

Whale Oil has another exclusive in another installment of a  big story today – CONCRETE CANCER COVERUP – MORE SUNLIGHT NEEDED

But it has raised as much interest as a brick. That’s the problem when credibility has crumbled.

Whether there’s anything of importance to be concerned about or not what most people are likely to be thinking is “who is paying for that line of attack?”

And it gets forlorn in the comments – the few that there are (part 37 of the ‘Little sux’ series raises more interest).

Of most note is [Moderator]:

…oh, and by the way, Whaleoil does do news, and we do do journalism.

Thank you for noticing.

Having banned just about everyone but the Whale Orchestra does Pete wonder why the Do You Put Money in the Parking Meter raises three times more comments than their news of the day? .

Whale Oil is impotent unless the failed old media picks up his stories and puts them out to the mainstream audience.

Having slated the MSM over and over they are now complaining about being ignored. What did they expect?

But wait, there’s more (or less):

la la land:

This is pretty concerning actually — WHY is this not in the MSM with journalists clambouring all over it? Is there anything general construction companies should be worried about ?


This is how spiteful the MSM have become about Whaleoil: they are happier leaving a big story like this to one side rather than give Whaleoil the satisfaction of a job well done.

It doesn’t end here. Lives will be ruined, companies may go broke, and with really bad luck, lives may eventually be lost.

Calling the MSM spiteful is a bit ironic.

This is what happens when your credibility has crumbled. Playing wolf too often has taken it’s toll.

Now all the whale can do is whimper.

More curious – Whale Oil versus Uber smells dirty

On Saturday I posted Curious – Whale Oil versus Uber post which suggests that Cameron Slater could be still doing posts for hire. This is of particular note because it’s the part of Nicky Hager’s ‘Dirty Politics’ that probably raised the most eybrows.

Hager wrote a chapter on it – Cash for Comment. In it he says:

Carrick Graham is the main person, year after year, who has paid Cameron Slater most of his income.

Slater earns his living by putting articles on his website written by Graham, and others, as if they were his own work.

The anti-Uber post looks suspiciously unlike Slater’s own work, but it was posted under his name.

This includes material for the tobacco industry but also for large alcohol companies and other lucrative clients that prefer not to operate openly.

Graham and others send Slater the completed articles, with the heading already written and often the pictures supplied, and he simply pastes them onto his site and publishes them at a specified time.

As the country’s largest audience political blog it is a potent platform for planting corporate messages. The attack politics revealed in the preceding chapters are also being offered to commercial clients: spin, ridicule, attacks and smears for hire.

The Slater documents provided for this book were just a sample of all his communications and e-mails over nearly a decade as a blogger. But they show a flow of articles written by Graham arriving to Slater by e-mail and every one of them being posted at the time he requested.

For this Slater is paid about $6,500 each month, for what in total would be about an hour work.

Late last year Slater very publicly indicated he was strapped for cash, saying he was unable to pay a sizable legal bill. They ran a fundraising campaign on Whale Oil to cover this. Since the ‘Dirty Politics’ story broke Whale Oil has also actively pleaded for donations.

Slater has also indicated he has committed a substantial amount of money to start up his Freed media enterprise.

It wouldn’t surprise if he was looking to old sources for income to keep Whale Oil operating.

Of course it is Slater’s choice how he generates income. But, and this is a big BUT, to be credible as a media outlet it doesn’t look good if there’s a chance his selection of topics and the content of his topics could be dictated by PR or lobby money.

Especially if those posts are related to commercial or political interests.

That stuff is already known.

What makes it more curious is a change on the suspicious Whale Oil post UBER ACTING LIKE A TEENAGER ON A BRAIN FART, posted at 4.30 pm on Saturday.

I posted on this at 9.03 pm on Saturday, and included a screenshot of two comments. I’d saved the screenshot at 8.16 pm and it shows the comments as about two hours old, so from aroun 6 pm.

Those comments were still on the Whale Oil thread on Sunday morning because I checked a couple of times to see if anything had changed.

But since then they have disappeared. Except for my screenshot:


Why would Whale Oil want to hide that after I had drawn attention to it and the curious nature of the anti-Uber post?

There’s no indication Graham is involved, apart from a familiar modus operandi. But there were clear ‘dirty business as usual’ indications recently from both Slater and Graham.

On 30th November last year Carrick Graham featured in an NZ Herald profile Dirty Politics: PR guru still ready to shoot from lip:

Carrick Graham says Dirty Politics won’t stop him.

The PR supremo whose employment of attack bloggers was exposed in Dirty Politics says his unconventional media strategies are here to stay.

“I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubbles by pretending that the world is black and white. Some people don’t communicate very well, and the tide turns against them, and that’s where I come in.”

Has he come in via Whale Oil again?

Graham said when you hired Slater as a consultant you received the full breadth of his communication skills. Slater’s extreme views could be “unhelpful”, Graham said, but he would hire his childhood friend again if the PR strategy required it.

So he didn’t rule it out.

Ironically the push by the left-wing to attack our business interests has actually strengthened them.

If you need a robust PR strategy with the heaviest hitters in the market then call Carrick Graham, he’ll look after you.

Slater is presumably still being looked after financially by someone.

But using Whale Oil now may not be the most robust of PR strategies now that Slater is well known as a blogger for hire. Whatever he posts now must be viewed with skepticism, especially if it smells of a commercial or political agenda.


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