Voodoo and madness of Pawn Patrick

While Matt Nippert at Sunday Star Times has broken a huge story detailing big money using bloggers to smear a Serious Fraud investigation – see All the financier’s men – Patrick Gower has an odd column in NZ Herald trying to talk up Winston Peters.

Patrick Gower: Voodoo and madness of King Winston

Welcome to the madness of King Winston.

In Winston’s World, John Key is a voodoo doll he stabs with a pin whenever he gets bored.

This week Winston Peters took a decent jab at the Prime Minister during an interview with me, accusing Judith Collins and her “bag man” of plotting to get rid of Key.

Key dismisses Peters as nutty; Collins, who resigned yesterday, calls him a liar; Peters starts talking in riddles.

Gower seems to have a touch of madness too. His big efforts this week have been a 3 News poll where he tried to talk it up Winston Peters as the king of the election – see Poor poll coverage by Gower and 3 News – and then he scored an interview with Winston Peters – Peters slams dirty politics, then gets dirty.

So while one of the biggest news stories of the year breaks without Gower or Peters at centre stage Gower’s big conclusion:

Peters is again the kingmaker acting like he is King. Key thinks he is the king. One thing is for sure – madness will ensue.

WINNER OF THE WEEK: Winston Peters. Over the 5 per cent threshold, and back as the centre of attention, where he’s happiest.

Message to Patrick – Peters is out of touch. So are you. Too obsessed with each others own importance.

The threshold claim only applies to the 3 News poll, in two other polls since that NZ First has been on 5.0 and 4.0 – that’s far less certain than Gower’s election result proclamations would suggest.

Why is Gower seemingly obsessed with the relevance of Peters?

In yesterday’s big news, the resignation of Judith Collins, someone actually produced an email as evidence. All Peters does is claim he’s right and that evidence will be forthcoming. Gower should know by now it rarely is.

In today’s big news there’s a mass of evidence in a large and serious story.

Gower is trying to claim Peters deserves a throne, two big heads colluding but there’s little headroom for a crown.

It’s just the madness of Pawn Patrick.



Peters admits he wouldn’t protect his source

In a bizarre series of interviews today Winston Peters has morphed from an absolute protector of his supposed source to saying he would produce them as witnesses if his challenge to Judith Collins to sue him was taken up.

On Radio NZ:

I’m trying to find out exactly what what happened, so what day did it happen on and what time of day?

Winston Peters: Oh look, I’m not going to answer a silly question like that, it did happen I can assure you of that, but I’m not going to finger people who thought they were having a confidential conversation. It’s that simple.

Did you agree to keep it confidential?

Winston Peters: I always keep confidential conversations confidential. I have never ever given a source away to anyone.

But did they ask you to keep it confidential?

Winston Peters: No it was clear as daylight that they wanted it to be confidential.

With Sean Plunket on RadioLive:

Was it Simon Lusk that approached you?

Winston Peters: I can tell you that I do not intend to break any confidence on these matters.

I’m going to ask you direct, was it Simon Lusk?

Winston Peters: I’ll say it again, I’ll answer you direct, I do not intend to break confidence on these matters.

I’m going to put myself out on a limb here Mr Peters. Would you be prepared to privately give me that name on the grounds that I would not disclose it?

Winston Peters: Um well I’ve done that once before with you and you’ve kept your word, but the answer’s no because I’d be breaching confidentiality with someone else and I’m not going to do that and I’ve never done that in a long career.

So he would absolutely honourably not breach confidence.

Ok you do understand that in the absence of further information you know and I’m not saying I don’t believe you, but you know if I was Woodward and Bernstein for example I probably wouldn’t run this.

Winston Peters:Oh no no if I was Woodward and Bernstein I would take that information and work on it and sooner or later you’re going to strike pay dirt with others knowing about it, that’s what Woodward and Bernstein did in their case, they just followed the money as they were told by Deep Throat to do. In this case you follow the power.

But he’s happy encourage journalists to find out who his source is based on what he’s fed them, and that they previously knew nothing about.

On that basis I wouldn’t trust Peters to keep something confidential.  He would do enough to see that confidentiality was breached but try to avoid responsibility for discovery even though that was his intent in going public.

Later on 3 News:

Winston Peters is challenging Judith Collins to sue him for defamation over his claims she plotted against the Prime Minister.

Winston Peters: I bet she won’t, because then I will produce the witnesses.

So these sources that “I always keep confidential conversations confidential. I have never ever given a source away to anyone” would be produced and revealed after he promoted investigation of the story and if Collins sued him after he pushed her into doing so.

Trust Winston Peters?

John Key’s choice – Collins or Peters

After the latest revelation (or publicity seeking stunt) from Winston Peters – see Peters slams dirty politics, then gets dirty – I think John Key has two clear choices.

If Peters can prove (don’t hold your breath) that Judith Collins has totally flipped and tried something this ludicrous then Key should dump Collins.

If Peters can’t prove this was anything more than a casual hypothetical quip loosely related to Collins then Key should make it clear who won’t do any deals with Peters after the election.

If Key doesn’t act then whoever is at fault here will get away with doing something disgraceful.


Bribe and jibe season

Labour and New Zealand First campaign launches included voter bribes – offering more ‘free’ stuff, but of course taxpayers (other voters) will pay for the policies if they succeed.

Along with the bribes are the jibes – political jibes, racist jibes, anything to get some media attention and coverage to pander to the greedy, needy and the prejudiced.

NZ Herald reports in Winston’s digs come with jokes:

A Chinese name joke, a dig at this country’s “Mr Spray and Walk Away” Prime Minister, and a promise of $1000 and a KiwiSaver account for every newborn baby – all featured in the New Zealand First campaign launch yesterday.

“It’s so they can get out of university without a large albatross around their neck.

Taxpayers eventually have to wear the albatross.

And more jibes:

He repeated his intention to crack down on foreign ownership, saying National’s claim that Labour had done it as well was not vindication.

“Just because your predecessor did it too does not make your actions sensible. As they say in Beijing, two Wongs don’t make a right.”

Peters and some of the NZ First MPs tried to defend that joke but were unconvincing.

Vernon Small at Stuff comments on Labour’s biggest and best shot:

David Cunliffe has fired Labour’s biggest and best shot with his $280m health spending promise, taking aim squarely at the vote-rich elderly – Winston Peters’ happy hunting ground.

It leaves Cunliffe and finance spokesman David Parker with just under $200m of their election war chest left to spend…

“Their election war chest” is taxpayer money, not their lollies to scramble voters with.

More from Stuff in Labour’s health plan cost queried.

A battle has erupted over the affordability of taxpayers funding GP care for the elderly after Labour pledged to make their doctors visits free.

With the over 65s paying on average $31 a visit, Labour is hoping to match the huge success of the existing scheme for children by extending it to the over 65s.

The elderly and the very young were the big winners – with Labour making a grab for the pensioner vote with its promise to roll out free doctors visits and prescriptions to over 65s.

Whether you call them election promises or bribes this is a bad way to dump spending policy on the public in a mass of election rhetoric. Voters get to choose who they prefer in Government but they don’t get to debate the pros and cons of each promise of increasing spending of their money.

In closing hsi launch speech David Cunliffe said:

If you want an end to politics as usual and to build a New Zealand that works for everyone.

Mr Cunliffe, if you were serious about ending politics as usual you wouldn’t be resorting to bribes and policy that looks driven by election desperation. It’s your political future but it’s our money.

What would “one law for all” be?

If we had one law for all what would that law be?  Thou shall not hurt anyone else? Thou shall not tell fibs (especially in politics)?

ACT Party

Act Party leader Jamie Whyte has stirred up a race debate by promoting one law for all.

He means that one race (Maori) shouldn’t have separate laws or privileges or Parliamentary seats to anyone else. That’s fine in theory, but very contentious and controversial in practice, as Whyte is finding out.

But it’s having the desired effect, raising Whyte’s and Act’s profile on the potential constituency that matters for them to start to make an impression in the polls. See comments at Kiwiblog in Jamie Whyte on race based law.

Conservative Party

This is also one of the Conservative Party’s key policies (from very sparse offerings).


One Law For All is one of four very brief policy statements on their Issues page.

Another is the Conservative’s ‘bottom line’ policy “On Our Watch Referendums Will Be Binding’. In the unlikely event that they have a watch in Parliament they won’t get support for this, an issue that seems inspired by Craig’s obsession with getting the ‘smacking’ law repealed.

Craig wants one law for all if it involves Maori ‘privilege’, but he wants parents to have a different law than children when it comes to being hit. One could agree with Craig that there’s some crazy thinking here.

Another of their policies is YOUR FIRST $20,000 TAX FREE THEN A FLAT TAX. Act at least have some consistency, wanting one tax rate for all instead of no tax for those earning under $20,000 and then tax whack the rest of us.

NZ First

NZ First seem to stake a claim to the ‘One Law For All’ slogan but it doesn’t stand out in their policies. Their website doesn’t have a page for ‘Winston Peters Rhetoric’ but their is plenty of that elsewhere, for example in Budget in Reply Speech – Winston Peters.

We believe in one law for all – irrespective of ethnic background.

Not the crumbs of tokenism from the Cronies Club Tables!

New Zealand First believes that we must train, skill, educate and employ our own people first.

There’s no excuse for the hiring of cheap labour from overseas when so many are on the unemployment scrap heap back here.

On the issue of foreigners speculating on housing in New Zealand – we’ve had the courage to say it for years but successive governments have refused to act.

Ok, one law for all as long as you’re one of “our own people” and not “from overseas” or a “foreigner”.

NZ First and one law for all seems to be contradictory.

One Law 4 All Party

There is also a party set up and now registered to address this issue – One Law 4 All.

To keep faith with 1Law4All supporters from across the political spectrum, we have the one bottom line – that of legal equality of all citizens regardless of race, ethnicity, culture or religion.

Should we win a position in government, 1Law4All will take a middle-of-the road position on all other issues or proposals by other parties. Should this be difficult to define or involve highly controversial legislation, we will seek a majority public consensus and vote accordingly. We will not have personal conscience votes.

Legal equality is a bottom line but on anything else majority public consensus will enable the overruling of minority rights and needs.

Several Questions For All

‘One law for all” and legal equality sound fine in theory, but life and legislation can be more complicated than that. How would the above parties answer the following questions?

  • One assault law for all or separate law for parents?
  • One tax for all or different tax rates?
  • One property law for all or ‘one of us’ versus ‘foreigners’?
  • One immigration law for all regardless of race, religion, age, skills?
  • Can anyone put flashing lights on their car and run red lights and speed?
  • No age limit for marriage, sex, voting, firearms, driving, alcohol?
  • Superannuation for all?
  • Early childhood education for all?
  • Domestic Purposes Benefit for all?

And what seems to be at the centre of all the ‘one law for all’ posturing is the Treaty of Waitangi. Should New Zealand declare all treaties invalid – one treaty for all or no treaties for anyone? There’s quite a few, for example see Treaties and International Law.

Or just selected ones?

Back to Act

While Act want no legal or other privileges for Maori…

Treaty of Waitangi and Race Relations

ACT supports the vision of a free society and would seek to remove all race-based appointments in parliament or any other branch of government.

…they sound more reasonable regarding the Waitangi Tribunal:

We would work towards ensuring the Waitangi Tribunal process ends on the basis of full, fair, and final settlements.

But a quick scan through their other policies suggests they support some targeting and don’t propose universal rules for everyone.

ACC: “The one-size-fits-all compulsory, government-owned monopoly insurance provider is failing New Zealanders.” So they don’t support one insurance provider for all.

Crime and Justice: “ACT supports tough, appropriate sentencing for all offences including burglary (three strikes you’re out), livestock theft (weapon and vehicle confiscation) and murder (sentenced by degree).” Selective application of three strikes, which is targeting some offences and offenders differently to others.

One law for all, unless getting tough on (some) crime will get more votes.

‘One law for all’ is a simple political slogan in a very complex real world.

Horan responds to speculatory accusations

Speculation about independent MP Brendan Horan at The Standard has been refuted by Horan.

A post by ‘Geoff’ was full of speculation and accusation and absent any facts – Why does David Farrar hate Winston Peters so much? Farrar responded in Best ever thread on The Standard.

The post included speculation about Horan’s motives and possible collusion with Farrar and National in his questioning of Winston Peters and NZ First in Parliament over the past few weeks.

Lately, Brendan Horan has begun to attack Winston in parliament, somewhat out of the blue.
What is his motivation? Is this National attacking Winston through the satellite state of Brendan Horan?

Why would National do that? Have they decided, in private at least, that a coalition with Winston is intolerable? That’s seems risky because they may need his help to form a government after the election.

Are they just trying to diminish his vote, hoping that most of his supporters would vote National if they abandoned Winston? That would explain the use of Horan as a means to attack Winston without completely jeopardising a post-election deal with him.

How much of a say does David Farrar have in the National party’s election strategy?

Perhaps Farrar is by-passing National and feeding attack lines to Horan directly?

It’s all very fishy. Can anyone shed any light on this?

Horan’s attacks on Peters are not “somewhat out of the blue”. He indicated to me last year that after his family business was dealt with (the excuse Peters used to kick Horan out of the NZ First caucus and party, absent any facts) he would be revealing concerns he had about NZ First.

Geoff’s accusations themselves seemed very fishy, or fishing, and any questioning of them were slapped with Standard threats.

[lprent: Don't be stupid. You are likely to pick up a ban if you accused an author or the site of ulterior motives without proof or a reasonable theory. In the latter case it would usually be after you wank on about it repetitively for some time making assertions without proof.]

In other words you can’t question the “ulterior motives without proof or a reasonable theory” of authors who “wank on about it repetitively for some time making assertions without proof” without risking being attacked or banned – a normal double Standard.

Horan later posted a comment in response. It deserves a right of reply post but that’s not likely to happen at The Standard.

Hi all,

1) I’ve had no contact with David Farrer.
2) All questions I’ve asked have been on behalf of people bullied by the leader of NZ First.
3) I was challenged by media to supply evidence and I did.
4) My sources are Past employees, past and current party members and former NZ First Party MP’s.
5) The speaker is investigating the Leader of NZ First and I’m happy for due process and natural justice to run its course.


I’ve been following Horan’s questions in Parliament and I follow David Farrar’s posts and tweets and I have seen nothing that puts any doubt on what Horan says here.

I’ve also had recent contact with an ex NZ First employee who is not impressed by some of what Peters has done within NZ First.

Winston Yeah/Nah

A comment at Kiwiblog from ‘minus’ points out Winston Peters contradicting himself.

Winston YEAH / NAH
Speaking from Auckland, Mr Peters said Mr Horan’s claims were lies. While he confirmed NZ First had used parliamentary funding to develop the software, he denied the software was used for party political purposes.

“It’s used to enable our expansion into sector groups, all sorts of commercial and social interest groups where we’re able to spell out what our policies are and interact with them.”

“It is run by someone who knows precisely what the law is as to the appropriateness of use and what you can and cannot do.”

However he also said the software had not been launched yet.

1st sentence Winston denies the software is used for party political purposes.
2nd sentence Winston describes uses which seem to be party political
3rd sentence confirms that someone uses it
4th sentence denies it is used at all – “had not been launched yet”

Kī tōnu taku waka topaki i te tuna, Winston

Quote source NZ Herald: Peters dodges Horan’s allegations

Where’s Winston? MIA

Winston Peters was noticeably absent from Parliament yesterday when Brendan Horan made accusations against NZ First. This had been signalled the day before, when Peters made scurrilous insinuations likening Horan to Jimmy Saville.

It was left to other NZ First MPs to try to shut down the accusations – Richard Prosser, Andrew Williams and Barbara Stewart all tried points of order to shut down and argue against Horan. The NZ First MPs all blocked attempts by Horan to table documents in support of his accusations.

Deputy leader Tracey Martin was also absent. She was active on Twitter and Facebook up until Tuesday morning but nothing since.

Peters did defend against the accusations from a distance.

NZ First misused Parliamentary funding – Horan

Speaking from Auckland, Mr Peters said Mr Horan’s claim was “a lie” and denied the software was used for party political purposes.

Mr Peters said Mr Horan was making allegations “that are just baseless like the one he made about a $2 million slush fund, that’s a total lie as well, and the one about the horse is a lie as well.”

Peters claims and denials about the racehorse Bellazeel didn’t stack up with facts. And there’s a huge irony in Peters complaining about baseless accusations.

Where was Winston?

NZ Herald reported Peters dodges Horan’s allegations:

While he denied he was running away from a fight, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters left his MPs to defend the party against claims by independent MP Brendan Horan the party misused taxpayer funding to raise cash and seek votes.

Mr Horan had previously indicated he was going to make the claims in Parliament yesterday but Mr Peters was not there to hear them. He told the Herald he had a prior engagement to speak to the Waitakere Grey Power yesterday. However, Waitakere Grey Power’s website has him down to speak today.

That’s correct according to this:

Waitakere Grey power


Interestingly a Google search shows more:

Waitakere Grey Power searchThe event seems to have been listed on the NZ First website but now:

The requested page “/event/waitakere-public-meeting” could not be found.

But is still in cache:

Waitakere Grey Power cache

Very strange. NZ First events prior to this are still on the website.

And very ironic. An MP well known for his attacks on others in Parliament seems unwilling to be on the receiving end of accusations.

There could be another reason for his absence yesterday, but why would he make up an excuse that is easily proven incorrect? Why would the event be removed from the NZ First website?

There’s a perception that Peters is trying to hide something, or hide from something.

His accusations on Tuesday have been called the worst seen in Parliament for a long time. Is NZ First reacting to that? Is Peters not prepared to face an accuser? Or is he trying to hide something?

He was Missing In Action and making things up yesterday. He would be one of the first to hold another MP to account for anything like that.

Peters selective facing questions

After making serious insinuations in Parliament yesterday about Brendan Horan (ex-NZ First and now independent MP) Winston Peters participated in a Q & A on Facebook – see Winston Peters Q & A.

A few questions and responses related to what happened in Parliament yesterday.

Comment From Trixie: Hello Winston I think you would be great in a reailty tv show. ever considered it?

Winston Peters: Have you watched Parliament lately? That’s a reality comedy show!

That’s very ironic and cynical considering the Peters made accusations in Parliament yesterday afternoon – see Wrong dishonourable Winston Peters. He seemed to treat the withdrawal and apology he was required to make as a joke.

The questions in the Q & A seem to have been filtered or selected for ‘suitability’. On the Facebook thread announcing the Q & A more awkward comments and questions went unanswered.

LeeLee McMillan Why are you so nasty?

Roy Varma Winston back to his usual election year crap. You are very good at accusations and running your mouth under Parliamentary Previledge. I have a simple challenge why don’t you repeat your bullshit outside Parliament or are you scared of being sued. My understanding of the law is you can’t be sued if you can provide the evidence for a statement or allegation. I am not loyal to any political party but I don’t have time for bullshit when there are important issues to debate.

Ravey DM Jimmy Saville comment was a bit on the nose matey

Tony Visser I used to not mind you. But your jimmy Saville comment today would be one of the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard in Parliament. Calling someone a pedophile. Your a disgrace. Time for you go. Say it out side the house you wimp

Even for Winston Peters accusing Brendan Horan of being like Jimmy Savile is just beyond believe .. unbelievable .. Shame on you Winston ..

Rusty Kane Under parliamentary privilege .. Gutter politics at it’s worst .. how low can you go .. looks like Brendan is going to react with some of his own dirt on Winston tomorrow .. the public just love this stuff .. not ..

Nick D’Angelo I’m surprised Winston would take such a low road. And it’s VERY low. I welcome Brendan’s response, it’s only fair.

Total shame on you Winston Peters for likening Brendan Horan to to Jimmy Saville. The inference is absolutely abhorrent. You have gone to far this time. You should retire from politics, because this type of bully-boy tactics not only shows you for who you really are but also shows your party and politicians in general in a bad light. We do not want this kind of behaviour from our country’s leaders. I note you certainly weren’t brave enough to repeat it outside the House.

This was just touched on in the Q & A.

Comment From Andrew: When you called Brendan Horan the Jimmy Savile of NZ politics, did you mean he has a fondness for cigars, or tracksuits? I’m confused.

Winston Peters: Take a wild guess.

Outside the protection of Parliament he is less specific but Peters continues his insinuation.That could be a patsy question with the intention of airing the smear without Peters taking any risk himself.

And ironically:

Comment From Steven: What do you want in a politician that stands for your Party

Winston Peters: Integrity. Commitment. Loyalty to voters. Serious ability.

He certainly hasn’t led by example on integrity. He has reacted very poorly to being on the receiving end of attacks in Parliament. When the boot is on the other foot he fights even dirtier.

He was happy to run an orchestrated Q & A but avoided addressing more open and awkward attention.

Winston Peters Q & A

Winston Peters opened a Q & A thread yesterday on his Facebook page.

The link to start asking your questions for the Q & A is now open via the tab on my page. Will be back here at 4pm to answer as many as possible.

It wasn’t clear to some that the Q&A was on a different tab on on his page. Questions were posted almost immediately on the timeline page and continued into the evening. Peters didn’t address any of them, but he participated in the Q & A.

Full contents of the Q & A – questions seem to have been filtered, see Peters selective on facing Facebook for unanswered questions and comments.

NZ First: Hi. Winston will be here at 4pm to answer your questions. Please keep them short and to the point – that way he can answer more questions in the time he has available.

Comment From Lydiote xx
Hi Winston, What is your favourite meal after a long day at work? I need dinner ideas!!!

Winston Peters: Lots of greens and fresh fish.

Comment From Bev Stratford
Winston, do you think we should keep giving Assies benifits NZ’S don’t get over there

Winston Peters: Yes we should and seriously work on getting Kiwis in Australia a fair go, like there used to be before people coming to NZ used residency as a bolt hole to get into Australia. The Australians reacted in 2001 as New Zealand First warned they would for a long time before that.

Comment From Karl
Hi Winston, are you running a candidate in the Rangitikei electorate this election?

Winston Peters: Nominations are open, candidates will be announced in due course.

Comment From Lisa Vanderpump
Mr Peters! What is your wine of choice? Rose?

Winston Peters: Depends on what the meal is, lunch or dinner, but preferably something light.

Comment From gillian templeton
the MOE are in discussion with the three special needs schools in chch. as parents and the schools themselves we dont want what they are trying to force on us, can you help?

Winston Peters: Could you send us some details to our education spokesperson, Tracey Martin, and myself?

Comment From Trixie
Hello Winston I think you would be great in a reailty tv show. ever considered it?

Winston Peters: Have you watched Parliament lately? That’s a reality comedy show!

Comment From Deb
Hi, where do you stand on Labour’s idea of Compulsory KiwiSaver for everyone at 9%? Especially if it’s not government guaranteed?

Winston Peters: It’s not Labour’s idea – we have stood for compulsory savings since 1996, offered a referendum on it in 1997 which was sadly defeated. But of course the problem didn’t go away. What we offered back then was a tax cut, which went to personal savings, and long term would have bolstered both the savings of the nation and individuals.

Comment From Luke.
Hello Winston, can I ask is the current government going to be involved with geo engineering programs, ‘ie’ aerosol programs which Australia, UK, America to name a few are hammering these programs now. Or typically do the government members not like discussing this topic?

Winston Peters: That’s a fair subject and other countries have reacted to scientific concerns and we should be much further down the track on this debate than we are.

Comment From Bevan
Kia Ora Winston, How does NZ First engage with ethnic communities in NZ? What strategies does NZ First have in place to empower leadership and innovation in our youth?

Winston Peters: All communities are ethnic, and the importance is that that is respected. Fundamentally, we all come from different backgrounds, trying to create one country where we feel that our values and principles are respected by the law.

Comment From Chelsea
what do u think has caused the housing bubble in auckland and what would you do 2 try and fix it. is it fixable?

Winston Peters: Lack of supply of housing against exaggerated demand from high immigration and offshore buying without having to even live here. We will never get on top of this until we address housing demand against affordable housing supply. What would we do – it’s on our website – you’ll see our policy towards landbanks, low interest loans and ability to afford a house at no higher than 30 per cent of weekly income as a benchmark.

Comment From J. Cooper
.what options do you propose to get out of the “eggs in one basket” economy that is causing huge issues, not just in the widening economic disparities but also to the future of our environment.

Winston Peters: We have seriously got to add value to far more of our primary resources before exporting. Second, give real substance to import substitution with a proactive buy NZ policy and third, provide the real taxation and depreciation incentives for the new IT and other industries to emerge and compete and survive long term.

Comment From Elle Bruce
Good afternoon Mr Peters, My concern is mainly around CYFs and its appalling dealings with Foster children, What avenues are open to improve this tragic service and hold CYF workers more accountable for their poor performance and ‘passing the buck’ attitude.

Winston Peters: There are clearly are too many problems emerging and that may point to systemic failures within CYFS. We can set out to fix the system up but we will do much better if we can stabilise families with their income from first world jobs and wages, and be intolerant of citizens who neglect or are violent to their spouse or child.

Comment From Daniel
Would you be able to give us an idea of what would most likely be in the NZ First tax policy, or if not is there a specifc date when the policy will be announced? Regards

Winston Peters: The policy will be out before too long because we have spent a lot of time working on it, we are confident it will be both appropriate and responsible and result in a far more prosperous economy and much higher incomes per person. We are going to send real signals to the industries and people that can change NZ’s future for the better, rather than just tax breaks for our mates.

Comment From Lorraine Taylor
What will you policy be on ‘government funding for Epipens and Anapens’ should you get voted in, in the next election ?

Winston Peters: I apologise for not being as informed on this subject to the degree you would like, but I will get up to speed. Our health spokesperson Barbara Stewart would be the best person to contact, but if you’ve got any information you’d like me to have, please send it to me.

Comment From Richard
Would NZ First put in place a capital gains tax on residential houses ?

Winston Peters: No.

Comment From Jan McKeogh
What do think about John Key and his promise not to touch superannuation, presumably this includes the scandalous theft of overseas pensions?

Winston Peters: I don’t trust that promise cos many of the National Party’s financial backers are leading the charge for that to happen right now as are members of his caucus. They broke their word in 1991 on the surtax and then attacked Super 1 October 1998.

Comment From Guest
Hi Winston.. I believe you are against the signing of the TTP.. if you are in power what will you do to prevent this happening without at least being disclosed as to content.. and a quick second where do you and your party stand on the current Food Bill being put to parliment at the moment? Thanks

Winston Peters: We support the Food Bill because people need much more information to be wise consumers. We’re against the current settings of the TPP debate because a) no information has been given out to parliamentarians b) we suspect that it could serious damage to some of our primary production and c) enable multinationals to attack New Zealand’s sovereignty on commercial issues. In short, if it’s so good, why not tell the people the facts ?

Comment From Leah
Hi Winston i would like to know what your party main priority will be and if you will guarantee you will not go back on your word should you get a seat and be part of the new government.

Winston Peters: We don’t need to get a seat to get back into parliament. Although I’ve received countless criticisms about past negotiations, not one critic can put up one fact to prove that I broke my word after the election from that given pre-election. NZF is a democratic party and we make these decisions as a party, having regard to those who voted for us.

Comment From Morgan Le Quesne
Morgan Le Quesne Winston, please can you tell what the official average income is and does superannuation really reflect that. Does it work on gross or net income?

Winston Peters: Super works on net average income and the average income sadly appears to vary according to who is giving out the statistics. To be honest, it’s probably around 38-39,000 at the moment and 70 per cent of New Zealanders don’t even get that.

Comment From Ben
With the recent publicity on legal highs have Nz first’s opinions changed in regards to cannabis reform, it’s sounding more and more people are pro cannabis now

Winston Peters: Our views on cannabis have always been to hold a referendum. Let the people decide and we can live with what the majority decide.

Comment From Guest
My question is will you continue to challenge Gerry Brownlee over the reprehensible behaviour of EQC. It has long been apparent that Ian Simpson has long had a perverse agenda to reduce payouts,with the result thousands of Canterbrians continue to suffer both financially and emotionally.

Winston Peters: We most certainly will. Because Cantabs have suffered from not receiving in time the money that was due to them for repairs.

Comment From Ashleigh Sidney
Hi Winston, What will you do to help us Kiwis in Australia?

Winston Peters: The best I can, but remember who warned from 1996 onwards to the consequences of massive immigration to NZ. Back then of course, they were all shouting racist and xenophobe. Now they’ve come to their wits, they haven’t got the decency to say we were right after all. But we would deal firmly with the Australian government our social ANZAC pact. But the best thing to do is for yourself and the 300,000 other NZ’ers in Australia to vote and remember the party that has the record on this!

Comment From David S
What is more appealing to NZF – being with differently-orientated/aligned parties in government (with an influence on legistlation), or in the opposition with more like-minded parties?

Winston Peters: Great question. It’ll depend on policies announced over the next four months by various political players and what the people and the party thinks of them.

Comment From Alan
Is it likely that the Supers could be increased to 70% of average earnings

Winston Peters: We returned Super to its highest at 66% of the net average wage and then bought in the SuperGold Card to expand the spending power of that 66% income.

Comment From Helen MacKay
Do you think changes should be made to the Telecommunications and Broadcasting acts to make closed captioning mandatory in New Zealand?

Winston Peters: Yes

Comment From Rosie Matthew
If someone is given a life sentence, shouldn’t they be in jail for life?

Winston Peters: Depends on the offender and whether there is any chance of rehabilitation which must be first proven before release.

Comment From David S
Do you feel the speaker and media unfairly gave the illusion you had no important information with regards to Judith Collins the other day?

Winston Peters: It’s not an illusion to prove that in a confidential paper that she told the PM of her benefit from the Chinese Government but failed to disclose it publicly as every other Minister did for government’s that helped them abroad.

Comment From Jim
Hi Winston. Will NZF merge the Poison Centre 0800 helpline with other health helplines?

Winston Peters: I’d rather answer this question after you’ve sent me information as to why it should/shouldn’t be done.

Comment From Anele
What will NZfirst do to address Child Poverty in NZ?

Winston Peters: It’s not child poverty. It’s family and societal and political poverty. We used to be world leader in social equity which is a vision that modern politicians have tragically lost. We still believe in a fair society, that’s why we are for a minimum wage much higher than $15ph and for supporting businesses that employ New Zealanders in better paid, secure, permanent employment.

Comment From Ashleigh Sidney
Winston what will you do to help Kiwis in Australia who fall upon hard times?

Winston Peters: Can’t answer that question while they remain in Australia. We can only tell you what we’d do if you move back.

Comment From Rosie Matthew
If you were prime minister, would you keep serious criminals behind bars for longer?

Winston Peters: Yes, but we would more clearly delineate what is serious crime and introduce short, sharp sentencing which will be an option to longer terms. In short, at court, offenders will be given a choice: five years in the slammer or two years hard labour. The second option has far more likelihood of changing them for the better and save more than $95k per prisoner, per year.

Comment From Hank
Do you believe that every NZ citizen (and PR), regardless of which entry scheme they use (ie $10M investment scheme) should be able to read and write basic English?

Winston Peters: English language was always in the criteria for admission. It still should be.

Comment From Rob
Hi Winston- Currently govt is looking to squash more people into Auckland because of “increased demand”. Solutions provided are to lower the quality of life for existing residents and squash more people in, cut down trees etc. What would your solution to this be ?

Winston Peters: We have a serious regional development policy. There is serious spare infrastructure capacity in the regions and we’d give incentives for business to move and stay there. In addition, part of our immigration policy will give much higher points for immigrants prepared to go to the regions for a specific term. Once there, we believe many of them will stay. Stagnant, static, small city populations will change for the better.

Comment From Hank
Does NZF believe in a compulsory superannuation? And if so, would that be the continue support of Kiwisaver?

Winston Peters: We do. But we would offer a KiwiFund, much like the Cullen Fund management where the fees will be much lower and based on the Cullen Fund performance, returns and savings will be much higher.

Comment From Hank
Auckland is one of the most expensive cities for people to buy houses. Young Aucklanders struggle to get onto the property ladder. What is NZ First’s policy on the housing in Auckland, and in NZ?

Winston Peters: Our housing policy is on our website. But for Auckland specifically, we’ll stop overseas buying, cut back immigration numbers, give Auckland a chance to breathe and get on top of the chaos that is there now.

Comment From Shayne
Would you hold a referendum on compulsory savings or Kiwisaver instead of pushing it through? It should not be a govts job to force people to save money or put it into a scheme as frail as this. So, are you planning to get the people’s wishes on this?

Winston Peters: I gave the people the chance to have their say in the referendum of 1997. Every other political party attacked it, politicised the issue, but many of those now say they are for it. You go figure.

Comment From Robert
Why are a quarter of all National MPs not going to stand for re-election?

Winston Peters: Because there is a tea party process going on inside National where sitting MPs have been targeted, by often inferior outsiders and they have succeeded.

Comment From Tom B
How do you feel about Brendan Horan being “fired” from NZ First and then staying on as an independent MP? I thought that once list MP’s were expelled/fired from caucus, they had to leave Parliament all together

Winston Peters: Well he should have gone given the seriousness of our concerns but he stayed on, deprived us of resources and staff. At least he’ll be gone in four months time.

Comment From Hank
What is NZF’s policy on raising the retirement age?

Winston Peters: Super is costing 4.1% net against GDP. It is not unaffordable in that context. Moreover, ability to pay social welfare and super is very much aligned to running a sound economy. Because we haven’t, the very people that have failed as sound economic managers now say the old people are to blame. They are wrong, trust they will be found out at this election.

Comment From Andy Pine
So will you approach the TPP with as much gusto as you can ..as in the wine box? where you made something happen?

Winston Peters: Yes – but none of us have seen any of the details, whereas with the wine box I had a box full of evidence requiring careful investigation which we did, plus exposure against great opposition which we ignored.

Comment From Max Waters
What is NZF’s position in regard to the FATCA IGA with the US and in particular as it affects the privacy & civil liberties of ordinary Kiwis? Thank you.

Winston Peters: This is about allowing the American Inland Revenue to pry into the affairs of people with an American connection, no matter how long ago they began working and earning in NZ. This is a circus where the Govt is trying to pass a law before they even get a settlement or arrangement with the US government. What a complete debacle that issue is in terms of sound public policy.

Comment From Anele
Why did you decline the invitation to do the Campbell Live At home with the leaders segment?

Winston Peters: I didn’t decline the invite. I said he and his wife could come and have a great night. Just leave the cameras at home. I like my privacy, just like the next person. Am still waiting for him to say yes!

Comment From Andrew
When you called Brendan Horan the Jimmy Savile of NZ politics, did you mean he has a fondness for cigars, or tracksuits? I’m confused.

Winston Peters: Take a wild guess.

Comment From Brendan
The track’s going to be heavy in Oamaru this Friday. Any tips on horses in that meet?

Winston Peters: Never give a tip. Nobody remembers when you are right, they sure hold it against you when you are wrong.

Comment From Guest
Dear Winston, John Key has said that “If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear” so why is the TPPA being negotiated in secret? Rom.

Winston Peters: That’s exactly the point. If there is nothing to hide, why don’t they show us the terms and the details of the negotiations.

Comment From Kaye
one thing we admire about you Winston, is your “one People, one Nation’ quote, I hope you have plans to live up to this statement

Winston Peters: I have argued for that since the day I arrived in parliament because it is the only way we can get on as a country of 4.3 million people against huge competition from the rest of the world. Fractured and divided we hamstring our ability to compete.

Comment From Guest
Have you ever looked at the economics of paying old age pensions outside NZ? That is to those who have qualified through the years through tax decuctions. I constantly encounter elderly who choose to travel in their senior years and are told to come home or be cut off. many older citizens could live comfortably outside NZ with family or in cheaper countries. Their absence would reduce the demand for health care and could take a load off the tax payer. And give the older citixzen the right to enjoy his last years where it suits him. Check it out!

Winston Peters: We are doing work on that right now but can’t give the details just as yet, but hopefully soon.

Comment From Julie Ford
Hi Winston, we now have problems with Muslim community in Auckland with a jihad ordered against some security men. Are our hands tied to get rid of such an individual who has made death threats?

Winston Peters: We expect everyone that comes here to respect our flag, whatever National flag it may be, respect our laws and respect other citizens. Now that means we are all in the same boat and if some don’t like that boat, we’ll they’ve got plenty of other options overseas.

Comment From Jan McKeogh
Do you think if National wins the election (God help us),NZ First will be wooed into forming a coalition?

Winston Peters: First, no one is going to win the election and any pollster that says so will be proved wrong. That means there will have to be some form of coalition of confidence and supply arrangement, of which there are many variations including a unique case of New Zealand First’s policy as we set out in 2011, before the election, of going on the cross benches and keeping the government honest.

Comment From Richard
Would NZ first allow a coalition where the Green Party has a right of veto ?

Winston Peters: We would not allow any party the right of veto.

Comment From Guest
I’m confused. What is the difference between a racist / zenophode and someone who is being patriotic?

Winston Peters: Often, there is no difference at all because the first two are insults which usually come from people who have no intention of defending the New Zealand population, our resources and policies that put the people of New Zealand first. Notice how they are all panicking about the Auckland housing crisis but go back one year or twenty years and note their deafening silence over that period. Or worse, insulting us for raising our legitimate concerns.

Comment From Steven
What do you want in a politician that stands for your Party

Winston Peters: Integrity. Commitment. Loyalty to voters. Serious ability.

Comment From Anele
There’s been speculation that National could increase GST to 17%. Would NZfirst raise gst?

Winston Peters: National is denying it, but then they denied that they would increase any taxes at the 2008 election. National got into government and put it up from 12.5 to 15%. So if they could deny it and then do it once, whats to stop them from doing it again?

Comment From Rosie Matthew
Should Judith Collins be sacked or be forced to resign?

Winston Peters: This issue is not over by a long shot.

Comment From Anele
How much would you raise the minimum wage to?

Winston Peters: We’ll announce that in the upcoming campaign.

Comment From Brent Clifton
Hi Winston , Do you think ACC is doing the is doing a good job for Kiwis

Winston Peters: Yes it is. But its been the victim of far too much politicking on the question of cost and what Nick Smith said in 08 and 09 has been proven to be absolutely false. That’s why they are lowering ACC levies now for 2015. However, there are aspects to ACC and its treatment of genuine victims which have been highly unsatisfactory.

Comment From Billy
Where do you get your suits from, and why double breasted suits? I like the pocket squares! (very classic)

Winston Peters: No place in particular, I try to not impulse buy but if I like something and the price is right, I consider it for a few days and if I still like it, I buy it. That’s if I can afford it! Just of interest, I do believe that everybody has a colour range for them and when you know your own personal colour range you’ll find you buy much more sensibly and don’t have stuff in the wardrobe for years because it doesn’t suit you and you no longer like it.

Comment From Ishta
What do you feel about Key’s determination to be on the UN Security Council? Also your stance on TPPA and GCSB?

Winston Peters: There are aspects of our recent international engagements which makes the Security Council job seriously difficult to attain. You’ve seen my stance on the TPPA and on the GCSB we would want a serious internal investigation into how we got caught up in a raid where the Minister for the GCSB (the PM) claimed he never knew about it. That claim of course is simply incredible because if it was true then why weren’t there people sacked for their non disclosure to their Minister.

Winston Peters: Have a good evening everyone – see you back here again soon.


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