Once were tree huggers

The Greens were once widely respected as principled environmentalists with a few quaint ideas on wider policies. Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald were respected. They were seen as having an important message on saving the planet. And they were nice, and they were honest.

But Greens never made it into a Government coalition.

After the untimely death of Donald and the retirement of Fitzsimons the Greens made a successful transition to new leadership under Russel Norman and Metiria Turei.

And the Greens are evolving.  Environmental issues have faded into the background. Norman has converted himself into a new age wannabe financial guru, and Turei has become a leader in promoting social policy with a strong emphasis on socialism.

In fact the Greens haven’t just evolved. They have morphed.

Nice is now out. Norman seems to have put his ambitions and quest for financial and political power before those quaint Green ideals of the past. He is becoming a ruthless, no holds barred anything goes political operator. He has become one of them.

The morphing of Norman (and the Greens) became more apparent yesterday in Normans speech at the Green Party annual conference.

Green leader tears into ‘smiling’ Key

Green Party co-leader Russel Norman has made a sharp personal attack on Prime Minister John Key, all but shutting the door on working with National after the next election.

Key described Labour and the Greens as the “devil-beast”; Norman hit back at his party’s annual conference yesterday by labelling Key “corrosive” and “extremely divisive”, repeatedly comparing him to former Prime Minister Robert Muldoon.

“Next time you see John Key smiling, remember he’s not smiling because he likes you, he’s smiling because he’s giving favours to his mates while undermining your democracy,” he told an audience of around 120 people in Christchurch.

The Greens have previously avoided personality politics. Asked whether his speech signalled a new approach, Norman said: “It’s important to put a line in the sand about what’s happening to our constitution and our democracy.”

In doing this Norman has ignored stated values.

6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks

Respect is out, personal attacks are in.

So is hypocrisy. From Norman’s speech:

Fair treatment. To be equal before the law. To fight our fights on an even playing field. This is democracy. And today I want to talk to you about our democracy.

Kiwis don’t agree on everything. We argue around the dinner table, at the pub, in the media, in the courts and in parliament.

Some of us love it and some don’t but we all agree that everyone should get their day in court; we all agree that people should be equal before the law; we all agree that the courts and the government should be blind to the size of our wallets; we all agree that there should be an even playing field on which the contest of ideas takes place.

That’s directly contrary to the Greens use of parliamentary funds and staff to promote an anti asset sales campaign in the guise of a Citizen Initiated Referendum. Ordinary citizens don’t have those resources available to petition Parliament. Greens have created a new playing field that gives them a distinct democratic advantage.

And honesty is also out. Blatant lying is also a new Green value.

Stopping free speech at sea

John Key has now banned protest at sea.

To ensure nothing stands in the way of the oil profits of other big foreign multinationals, the Government has passed new laws under urgency to ensure those who stand up to defend our oceans and beaches from a devastating oil spill will go to jail or face a heavy fine.

Overnight, National took away our constitutional right to freedom of speech.

As blogged in More on Norman’s ‘protest at sea’ lie this is a blatant misrepresentation of what happened. Free speech is still allowed, but the legislation was changed to ensure safety in protest situations and enforce the right of the legal right of passage at sea.

Russel Norman had some valid points to make in his speech, but his credibility was severely marred by the un-Greenness of his approach.

Greens have morphed into old school politicians where any dirty tactic can be used – any means is seen as acceptable to achieve the end result they want.

Green is fading, and socialist red had become much more prominent. It is also now being dominated by a dirty brown.

Once were tree huggers. The Greens have morphed into just another version of political warriors, where no holds are barred in their quest for power.

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  1. the morphing of the Greens is not a nice change. Someone must have put in a ‘Z’ pill that is Zombie Pill. Man eating man disease.

  2. This is powerful and intelligent stuff from Russel and the Green team. To continue in the ‘harmlessly pleasant’ way they have behaved in the past will only bring the results they have achieved in the past and as you point out, they have not been in Government. Now they have taken off the ‘fuzzy green gloves’ as your soul-mate Tony says, and are playing for keeps. The support for Russel’s exhibition of spinefulness is broad and growing. Denial and opposition is coming from the creaky old guard of Roughan et al and flunkies like yourself who fear the consequences. It’s lovely to watch. Key had better watch himself. His ‘Devil Beast’ attack has turned and is gnawing away his credibility and support. Dunne, in the meantime, is done.

    • Greens will win some support and lose some support over this radical change in approach (which is in direct contravention of Green value #6).

      I do fear the consequences of a nasty and lying Green party – I think it could end up destroying it, or at least morphing it to a part as bad as the worst.

      I prefer the far more principled old Green party, and I know others who feel the same.

      Greens are playing political roulette with this. At their peril.

  3. ‘nasty and lying Green Party’ – what scare-mongering rubbish from you, Mr George. You are doubtless livid that UF has crashed and burned under very, very dodgy circumstances and transferring that self-loathing onto the Green Party but it comes across as loopy from you.
    You may prefer that the Greens stay as they were, but you didn’t support them then. That they’ve changed to become more aggressive and a greater threat to National disturbs you greatly and thrills me not a little bit.

    • You’re wrong. I did support the Greens then. I’ve even electorate voted for Metiria. So don’t make things up – has that become the Green way of doing things?

      You have done nothing to address the issue of lying about protest at sea. You employ the old school political tactic of abusing the messenger.

      Greens have become just another self interested party intent on power at any costs. Shame on you.

  4. You ditched the Greens in favour of UnitedFuture?
    Good grief.
    No wonder you are all frothed up over this powerful rise of Russel and his team at the same time that UnitedFuture has been disbanded under a cloud and Peter Dunne is under investigation for leaking.
    Abusing you, Pete?
    Give us a break.
    I’ve not even begun.
    The Greens are leaping ahead. You should cut your ties with the redundant Dunne and get on board the winning boat. Mind you, you seem to be a turncoat, so it might be best you stick with your coffuired head.

    • You’re making things up again.

      I didn’t ditch Greens, I’ve been a floating voter, I make my decision each election.

      Russel is not rising powerfully. Greens pick up support lost by Labour leading into the last election and have held steady (with fluctuations) since then.

      United Future has not disbanded. The party asked to be disregistered until membership issues were resolved. Since that happened there has been a surge of new members. No cloud – transparent accountability.

      I don’t like the direction Greens are taking and wouldn’t support them personally at the moment. They seem to have ditched principles and are going for power at any cost.

      I think there will be a voter backlash, I keep hearing from people who are disillusioned with the Norman/Turei Greens. Put Hague in charge, go back to being a decent party, and I may reconsider.

  5. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    Key has banned protest at sea where it disadvantages the oil industry.
    Treasonous behaviour.

    • I believe I (and anyone) can still protest at sea if I want to.

      I don’t think you can prove otherwise. You and Norman are either blind to reality or dishonest.

  6. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    You could protest near a oil-ship, Pete, ‘if you wanted to’, but there are now significant penalties if you do. By your logic, you can still murder people if you want to, it’s not banned.
    Good grief. As for people giving up on the Greens because Rusell called Key for what he is, a dictator actively selling our assets and our rights to the highest bidder, sweet. Move over, the Powerful Grteens are coming through. If you don’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

  7. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    How readily people of your sort accuse other of being dishonest, Pete. Did you learn that behaviour from Keeping Stock? He cries ‘dishonest’ all the time (when he’s not shreiking, ‘hypocrites’! Makes you wonder, doesn’t it (pot, kettle is another of his warbles).

    • People of my sort? What is my sort” Not Keeping Stock, that’s for sure. And not arrogant Greens either.

      I rarely accuse people of being dishonest. I think Norman was dishonest in his speech.

      And you’re being dishonest making up accusations that are not based on fact, they are simply abuses. You seem a bit oversensitive for Norman being called on his bull.

  8. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    UF is extinct. Dunne is done. Time to move on, Pete.
    Go Green!

    • Dunne is a minister and actively involved in government. I can understand Greens being pissed off about that when they can only whinge from the sidelines. Green envy. One day greens might work out what is required to get some power – and by the sign of you and Norman and Turei that is still in the future.

      Hissy fitting at anyone who shows up Green deficiencies is not conducive to growing support.

      UF is still a functioning party with an increasing membership.

      • Darryl

         /  2nd June 2013

        Pete, your better than this robertguton, nutter. If he is like the green weirdo’s that were on TV3 last night, I wouldn’t waste my time, talking to him.

  9. I agree with Darryl – this tit for tat is not constructive discussion.

    • Darryl

       /  2nd June 2013

      O:-) Quentin, this robertguyton is just an extension of the Greens policies. Irrelevant and just plain ridiculous. He is a liar, just like Mr Gween.

  10. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    Pete, hang in there, that’s the fella, Dunne needs you desperately so don’t take any notice of nay-sayers like me. UF is a great party, on the way to a brighter future! As to attacking persons, your honey-tongued Darryl here’s a classic, isn’t he! “Liar” he bellows, Liar, liar, liar!!! Still, he’s barracking for your team, so that’s okay.
    The Greens have worked out what to do to get power and they are doing it with style. Watch out!!!

    • Attacking anyone who holds them to account is an odd style if they want to increase their support.

      Greens seem to have adopted a “you’re with us or against us” mentality and overrate their appeal to ordinary new Zealanders.

      Greens have had virtually no poll traction since the last election, and have lost their nerve. Rebranding as old school bolshie politicians is high risk and can’t easily or quickly be undone.

      I wouldn’t try to stop you (obviously I can’t), but I reserve the right to say “told you so” after another couple of polls.

  11. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    The Greens have ‘lost their nerve’ – you what? Surely their newly expressed boldness shows that they are full of self-confidence and taking it to the ‘opposition’ fearlessly. Lost their nerve is the very opposite of what’s happening, Pete, believe you me.

  12. robertguyton

     /  2nd June 2013

    Ps – why do you not rein-in Darryl for his ad hom (sorry, Darryl, personal) attacks? It’s at odds with your ‘clean’ image.

  13. Brown

     /  3rd June 2013

    This is laughable. Don’t make Russell angry. He could have a wee tantrum and call people names but its 2013 and there’s going to be no massess under the Marxist Green boot (Labour & National already have that under control). Russell’s poisonous and his colleagues are hardly sharp shooters. They have none of the qualities that made the old Greens respectable. If they grow with this it will simply be a sign that an increasing number of NZr’s are stupid.

  14. Steve

     /  3rd June 2013

    Wow. Look what happens to the Greens when they are questioned. Blatant hypocrisy, lies and here is one of them spewing venom and more and more lies. Add this to their sheer economic lunacy and it’s beyond belief that 10% of New Zealanders apparently support them. One can only assume they are very young with very little clue of what the Greens policies would actually mean for any country. Or old bitter socialists, which is most likely the category the poster on this thread falls into.

  15. Steve

     /  3rd June 2013

    Having just gone back over this thread, I can only assume Mr Guyton was indulging in booze (or something else) over the long weekend.

    • He’s been like this before here and also on Keeping Stock. He doesn’t venture onto Kiwiblog (under his own name anyway).

      Greens like Norman and Guyton are burning a lot of bridges between their own castle and potential allies and supporters. And they are adamantly blind to the damage they are inflicting on themselves.

  16. robertguyton

     /  4th June 2013

    Green support is continuing to grow by the day. Check out the latest Roy Morgan poll and report back, you rightwing extremists. Then we’ll talk turkey!

    • Darryl

       /  4th June 2013

      LOL, Ha ha ha ha. the extremist just arrived. No need to talk Turkey, we know you are a Turkey. eh Clint.

    • Steve

       /  4th June 2013

      Pete George getting called a right wing extremist…now I’ve seen everything. It says a lot about someone when they make a ridiculous claim like that.

  17. I wasn’t talking about middle-of-the -middle-of-the-road-Pete.
    I meant Darryl.
    And I was correct.
    Darryl’s maniacal laughter is a fair reflection of his thinking RWNJ, yes? Yes.
    That Roy Morgan poll, eh Darryl! That’ll get ya frothed up all over again, I’m sure.
    Be sure to share your thoughts with us, won’t you?


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