Snowden leaks – “the worst is yet to come”…

…and New Zealand may feature in some of the revelations.

Spies worry over “doomsday” cache stashed by ex-NSA contractor Snowden

British and U.S. intelligence officials say they are worried about a “doomsday” cache of highly classified, heavily encrypted material they believe former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has stored on a data cloud.

The cache contains documents generated by the NSA and other agencies and includes names of U.S. and allied intelligence personnel, seven current and former U.S. officials and other sources briefed on the matter said.

One source described the cache of still unpublished material as Snowden’s “insurance policy” against arrest or physical harm.

“The worst is yet to come,” said one former U.S. official who follows the investigation closely.

And John Key seems to accept that Snowden leak material will include New Zealand related information. On Firstline this morning – Spying leaks ‘politically motivated’ – Key:

“My expectation is that they’ll get some. I mean, it’s been going around the world, looks reasonably politically motivated, you know. They’ll go and do stuff.”

Documents already released have revealed New Zealand’s role in assisting the US in spying on other countries, as a part of the Five Eyes network. But Mr Key is confident further leaks won’t damage New Zealand’s reputation.

“I don’t worry that much about that sort of stuff. I’m aware of what they do – I don’t go down to every complete operational level, but I have a broad sense of what they do, and if it requires a warrant, I have to sign that warrant – so I’m aware of those things.

“But you know, there’s always going to be good reasons that back up any particular activities we’ve undertaken.”

What might come out is unknown so all we can do is wait and see.

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  1. The “Insurance Policy” is a neat way of describing a governmental body’s belief that they can subjugate just about everyone into believing in ridiculous ideas about whatever. Nice touch Edward. Nice touch.

    Now I am all for Intelligence gathering operations but as PM Key said you have to draw the line somewhere. I totally agree. 99.98% of the world population of 7 billion are ordinary citizens minding their own backyards. The other 2% are plain arseholes. Why should the 99.98% get surveilled?

  2. Kevin

     /  26th November 2013

    I DO so hope there’s info to embarrass Key (and show him to be the liar he SEEMS to be), but sadly I reckon the following makes more political sense……….
    Snowden can pressumably do nothing without his hosts permission.
    Thus if he did have said info, then surely Putin would use that leverage against Key to get ‘something’ rather than ‘out him’?????

    • Kevin,
      I think your hypothesis is far-fetched. There is no way Putin would have access to Snowden’s files. Besides there would be incriminating stuff in those files to put the Tiger at Putin as well as everyone else. PM Key is of no significant in Russian Grand Strategy. To imply Putin as wanting dirt on Key is like saying mouse poo is the size of cow poo.

      • Kevin

         /  26th November 2013

        So you don’t believe the Russians have a control over Snowden? I reckon Snowden couldn’t take a crap without his handlers permission.
        I’m not saying Putin is particularly bothered with Key-NZ. What I’m saying is IF Snowden had info that would bring down ANY head of state, then the Russians would use that info to their best advantage.

        • You are missing the point: Putin doesn’t need to know what’s in there – Putin already has dirt on most governments. So it’s really a no-brainer. He will give Snowden the freedom to do what he wants – because Snowden is NOT a threat.

          • Kevin

             /  26th November 2013

            I DO hope you are right !!!
            I truly do.
            The sooner the full truth about Key and DotCom is known, the better for democracy.

  3. Kevin,
    The Dotcom saga has nothing to do with Putin!!!!!! How can you say that? You’re mixing two very different events. Putin doesn’t need a Dotcom saga to manipulate NZ Government – that just doesn’t make political sense.

    By the way – it’s getting quite boring to quote “better for Democracy” – what the hell is that? A crutch!!

    • Kevin

       /  27th November 2013

      I didn’t say…………. The Dotcom saga has anything to do with Putin’ directly…………you’re making crazy statements up and attributing them to me……….What I am saying is, I’d be surprised IF the Russian didn’t use any leverage they could achieve,………………………. And out of interest what is this info that Putin already has on Key that would make him ‘kick this girt horse in the mouth’ (IF indeed Snowden has info re Key-DotCom)?

      Go back to what I said……………….Put simpler (just for you)……IF Snowden has info about the DotCom-Key issue that would ‘sink’ Key, then I believe the Russian would rather use that info behind the scenes rather than out Key.

      Why are you being so aggressively critical?………Are you a National party paid person or similar?

  4. No I am not a National supporter. I am a paying member of UnitedFuture and I specialize in foreign policy,national security and global risks issues. I wasn’t overly critical at you personally but I do get annoyed when people don’t get there facts sorted out. The Key-Dotcom saga is nothing compared to what Snowden has and I really can’t envision Putin wanting to know more about a saga that doesn’t come close to what he has to deal with. Dotcom saga is peanuts compared to elephant poos. I believe Putin already knows the NSA has been spying on Russia. By allowing Snowden to stay in Russia for a year is a play against American snobbery.

    Again I am sorry if I sound blunt but I get frustrated at comments that are not very well thought out.


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