The Standard promotes proofless conspiracy

Joe Trinder claimed a bizarre conspiracy on Mana News, where he is editor. The site promotes John Minto and Hone Harawira, and it is also closely aligned to the Mana Party (Trinder was a Mana candidate last election).

ManaNewsHeadThe conspiracy is detail;ed in Trinder’s Key/Campbell conspiracy, which also shows Trinder’s response:

Mana News doesn’t have to substantiate our reveal it’s sources we don’t write balanced articles. We expose the national governments corruption the onus is on the media to do its job and prove us wrong.

This has been widely criticised, especially on the left. But some have chosen to support and promote this, like The Standard:

http://thestandard.org.nz/i-want-that-left-wing-bastard-gone/

That has been posted under ‘Notices and Features’ – the author who put that up chose not to do it under their own pseudonym. While there is plenty of criticism there is no sign of concern from any authors so it must bee seen as acceptable – or perhaps Lynn Prentice is the one who posted it and no one is game to challenge him for doing it.

Promoting a conspiracy like this is bad enough, but it also breaks Standard rules.

Rules

We encourage robust debate and we’re tolerant of dissenting views. But this site run for reasonably rational debate between dissenting viewpoints and we intend to keep it operating that way.

Promoting bizarre conspiracies is not reasonably rational debate.

What we’re not prepared to accept are pointless personal attacks, or tone or language that has the effect of excluding others. We are intolerant of people starting or continuing flamewars where there is little discussion or debate. This includes making assertions that you are unable to substantiate with some proof (and that doesn’t mean endless links to unsubstantial authorities) or even argue when requested to do so.

The Standard has a post that promotes assertions that the claimant has refused to substantiate. They flaunt their own rules.

Such comments may be deleted without warning or one of the alternatives below may be employed. The action taken is completely up to the moderator who takes it.

But that explains why – hypocrisy is completely up to the moderators, and authors, and The Standard.

Most of the comments are dubious or outright critical of Trinder, but criticism of the willing Standard complicity in promoting a conspiracy lacking any evidence is understandably muted.

Even the criticisms of Trinder are turned into more bizarre – this from Sacha.

Trinder claims John Key appointed Weldon as CEO of (private company) Mediaworks. That’s stupid enough on its own for me to not accept any of his other reckons without evidence.

That’s a sensible assessment.

We don’t need some weird conspiracy to explain what’s going on here – it’s a logical outcome of legislating our media to run as a market. The cure is a law change, not tinfoil.

But he wants law change? Laws for what, dictating what private media companies can and can’t do?

And a few are defending Trinder. Weka (a Green supporter and one of the Standard’s most prolific commenters):

I find it entirely credible as a theory. Allowing for differences in use of language (change ‘appointed’ to ‘manipulated the appointment), how is it impossible that Key used his influence to get the CEO he wanted?

And…

Some posts on the article that have been deleted,

https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1938/3363/original.jpg

A point from Trinder about all these people suddenly concerned about Mana News’ reputation and credibility who’ve never read the site before.

No concern shown about controlling the message type censorship, just making unsubstantiated claims about those who have been censored.

Mana Support Marty Mars replied:

So true that – I wonder about some of the motivations of some who hardly ever read Mana News and now have come out of the woodwork with their righteous proofing – if I was paranoid I’d say some are going into payback – or maybe just putting the boot in because the opportunity is there – oh look how arrrwful that Mana Movement is – such ungrateful poos after all the ‘respect’ we gave them, look they are nothing but losers haw haw haw – and that’s just the so called lefties.

He (like some others) also tries to divert criticism to John Key:

yep key lies, lies and lies again and even when it is on the news and everyone is jumping and pumping – nothing, key slides out. This particular story is pure key – it smells for sure but the focus of some goes onto Mana – same as it ever was.

He had previously posted:

PROOF, show. me. the. proof, now!!! show me the proof now!!! show it to me!!! meanwhile all the proof for a million lies and distortions are in BliPs list and what has happened – nowt and why??? – get that and the left might get somewhere in the next election.

Might be true, sounds trueish, hope it’s true, but proof – nah that’s not how the game works anymore.

That was challenged by Bill but Mars

“where no verification or thought is required and where such ‘niceties’ sink below the fetid surface of a world comprising of nowt but a churning of senseless bullshit.”

good description of the current truths put to us by MSM and politicians.

the truth and proof are slippery tuna wiggling in water

I saw the article and decided early on not to link to it in OM because I felt it had holes and would raise more questions than it answered – and it has – but I support Joe and what he has done.

More diversion, an admission the claims ‘had holes’, but support of “Joe and what he has done” anyway.

Without any evidence the conspiracy claims look like nonsense, The Standard willingly promotes the stupidity and it’s supporters – like Weka and Marty Mars – defend and divert and support this lame attempt at dirty politics.

They are usually a lot more robust in their criticism of this sort of dirty and baseless blogging if it’s on Whale Oil. They strongly criticised Colin Craig for much more vague connections with conspiracies.

But it’s different if someone on the left does it – the Standard bearer of the Labour left even promotes it.

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4 Comments

  1. Notices and features is what is used when we repeat content from other sites. Which is why it was quoted. We have been known to quote from anyone from Whaleoil to Kiwiblog to No Right Turn to the NZ Herald when they have similar styles of claims. For instance the NZ Herald repeating the claims made by Lui on his allegations massive contributions to Labour – which were and still are unsubstantiated.

    But I seem to remember that you spent a lot of time writing about them? A trivial hypocritical of you eh?

    But still obsessing and lying about our site? I guess I will have to exert some more effort. It is so unhealthy for you. You know it inflames your “issues”.

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    • Someone at The Standard chose to promote Trinder’s conspiracy claims uncritically. You sound like you support this.

      Did you post it? The Standard isn’t a machine, someone must have chosen to promote Trinder’s claims.

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    • But still obsessing and lying about our site? I guess I will have to exert some more effort. It is so unhealthy for you. You know it inflames your “issues”.

      Who’s obsessing?

      What lengths are you going to go to to try and shut out criticism of The Standard?

      Your over-sensitivity to any criticism and the over-the-top lengths you go to to try and shut down any citicism of Standard authors and posts is unhealthy for you.

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    • And Lynn, you’ve made a big thing about “This includes making assertions that you are unable to substantiate with some proof ” – yet you seem happy to promote a proof-less conspiracy. A bit hypocritical of you eh?

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