Slater versus English and family

Cameron Slater has posted an attack on Bill English ate Whale Oil: SCUM LIST MP SAYS HE WILL VOTE FOR PAIN AND SUFFERING

Bill English has declared he will vote against any euthanasia bill put before the parliament. no debate, no reading the legislation, he is just going to let his Catholic dogma dictate how he will vote.

This is a typical Slater-type attack – Slater has been very critical of English in the past so this is not out of the ordinary. So far.

And now we see one of the problems with MMP and scum list MPs. They don’t have an electorate to listen to or canvas.

They are representative of no one but themselves and the party.Electorate MPs like Nick Smith always survey their electorate and debate the issues with voters.

Much and all as I dislike Nick Smith’s politics, in person he is a top bloke, he keeps getting elected with massive majorities because he listens to his constituents.

Slater also campaigned against MMP so it’s no surprise to see him slamming list MPs.

Until English retired from his Clutha-Southland electorate and went onto the list only last year he kept getting elected with massive majorities. In 2011 with a majority of 16,168 he got 21,375 votes,  over twice as many as all other candidates combined.

Bill English has to listen to no one but his stroppy missus.

This is a low blow from Slater, Bringing English’s wife into is a low blow. Again this isn’t out of the ordinary for Slater, he was particularly nasty during National’s Northland candidate selection slinging dirt involving the family of one candidate.

Some comments supported Slater but there more supporting English and criticising Slater managed to survive the censor’s filter and getting significant support. For example:

That’s a bit harsh. Bill is entitled to his opinion as you are of your opinion.

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Yes he is but I don’t want his personal religious beliefs to dictate what I wish to happen if the occasion arises. I would like to make my own decision and have it written down for when I am too ill to fight for that right.

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And:

Right, you’ve now lost me. When you call Bill English a”scum list MP”, that shows you to be in the same loony class as those you keep referring to as the Green Taliban and I have laughed with you at their silly antics. I happen to think, also that the Greens are loony. But I also think that there are some areas where people are entitled to exercise their consciences, and the sanctity of life is one such area.

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And:

Would you prefer him to say one thing and do another (as so many people do)? At least we know where he stands. While I might not agree with his views, I respect his right to have them.

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Compared to:

Catholic or not, this is the sort of arrogance we saw from Cullen. Please remind me who got National down to the miraculous 20% threshold?

English’s expertise lies within financial management. I for one am happy he is no where near social policy. He doesn’t have a clue and doesn’t gauge with the public very well.

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I disagree with English on euthanasia but respect his right to have his own stance on what would be a conscience issue if this was voted on in Parliament. This is the report Slater was criticising:

His deputy, Mr English, a Catholic, said today he would vote against any law change.

“The law says that if the doctor helps them die that would be breaking the law and that’s what the judgment said pretty clearly,” Mr English said on TVNZ‘s Q&A programme.

Mr English, whose wife is a GP, said he personally did not believe the law needed to change.

“My personal view is that the law is where it should be,” he said.

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While polls show a sizeable majority of people support euthanasia there are still many who oppose it, and they have as much right to be represented in Parliament as anyone.

This was also raised on Kiwiblog, and Slater is criticised by several including someone who has been a fairly loyal supporter of Slater:

Nookin

Mr Slater seems intent on re-creating himself as a man of unlovely disposition. I used to enjoy some of his more outrageous observations but, really, he has descended to a level of almost perpetual ad hominism ( if that is a word). The site very rarely contains anything of any interest other than his own insatiable desire to be heard.

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@ Nookin – WO makes his distaste of English pretty obvious. But to attack English’s wife, who to the best of my knowledge has never tried to impose her personal views on the electorate is poor form indeed.

Slater is entitled to his own view, and calling MPs ‘scum’ is typical of his critical approach, but using family members in political criticism crosses a line for most people.

4 Comments

  1. Budgieboy

     /  8th June 2015

    So…a man with a lifetime commitment to a faith that places huge value on the sanctity of life makes his views on ethenasia clear, early and unambiguous.

    Then a man whose moral compass is usually driven by bile, spittle and a tragic need to be noticed strongly stakes out his position which is clearly the polar opposite.

    But only one is ‘wrong’ for not engaging the debate? Excuse me? That reads more like the tactics of the left in my opinion.

    In past few years I’ve watched Cancer ravage two family members so I do not agree with English either but this attack is just disgusting.

  2. I have lost both my parents to cancer. Its not pleasant viewing especially my mother who I looked after 24/7 for her last 3 months or so.

    I am neither for or against right to die legislation – but probably more on the leave it as it is side.

    But Cam Slater using this as a means to have a crack at English is just part of his ongoing campaign against Key, Joyce and English for sidelining Judith and Maurice. And given Judith wrote a thoughtful piece in Sunday Star Times supporting the premise its time to debate right to die legislation, this can just be seen as him supporting Judith by attacking Bill.

    English is a devout Catholic.. it shapes his world view and he is entitled to his opinion. And far from being a weakness being a List MP, its actually a strength – because it means he can represent the Naysayers in this argument who maybe thinly spread across the nation, but they still need a voice in the debate….

    I look forward to this being debated openly at last and then it being put to the vote as a Referendum not as a Parliamentary vote only. This is a major topic that should be settled by the people not 120 odd people in the House…

  3. Goldie

     /  8th June 2015

    The conservtiave thinker, Edmund Burke wrote: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”

    Bill English owes it to the people that voted for him to exercise his conscience. Bill English’s strong Catholic faith is not an unknown – it is well known, and known to those people who voted National that they were electing an MP who on conscience votes would take a Catholic position on conscience issues.

  4. kittycatkin

     /  8th June 2015

    I like the way that WO abuses Bill English for expressing his views but freely expresses his own and must expect to be free to do so. Consistency, thou art a jewel.