A sane response to a manic attack

Someone called ‘Izzy’ has had their comment passed by tight moderation on the Lynn Prentice post that launched an over the top attack – Ben Guerin: a dirty politics fuckwit  -on one of the people involved in the Kiwi-O-KMeter website.

It covers things reasonably an well.

Izzy

I can’t stand the Nats, but I really don’t think this is dirty politics.

It’s a fairly obvious parody of Twyford’s foreign ownership work, clearly registered to Guerin, who makes his place of employment abundantly clear on LinkedIn and various other places online, and talked openly about making the site. One of the main things about ‘dirty politics’ was that those involved went to great lengths to hide their identities and their involvement, e.g. Jason Ede multiple email identities.

As for use of the Labour logo – possibly a poor choice, but it didn’t take much looking at the site to realise it wasn’t actually a Labour Party site, and it’s not exactly the first time a political party logo has been used to parody that party.

In comments Prentice said “And yet it has a logo that has to be in copyright eh?”

‘Whatevanext?’ said “and if some person pulled similar stunt using National’s logo? would there be uproar? Paddy and his gang would have a field day! or just a visit from lots of policeman for several hours while you are out?”

‘NZjester’: “I was just wondering if the said plonker has broken copyright law by the use of the Labour Party logo in his attempt at a non parody political hatchet job?”

Misuse of party logos doesn’t usually seem to be a problem at The Standard as the link (provided by Izzy ) to a post by the infamous ‘Eddie’ shows – Not quite beyond parody

And there were more. Plus links from Standard author and lawyer Greg Presland – Or this one? – to a spoof video that uses a National logo, so it can’t be a big deal if it’s against the other side.

I think it was poor judgement by Guerin to do this when he is an employee of the Parliamentary Service – while he has every right to be involved in political activities in his spare time, the unfortunate reality for PS employees is that it’s pretty risky to do so in any public way, because of perception issues like this. He’ll presumably learn from this mistake, which is an easy one for young activists to make when they start working for MPs.

I agree that it was at least questionable judgement that risked backlashing against National. He might have been lucky Prentice overplayed his hand so much and became to focus.

I think it’s disappointing that you saw fit to publish his contact information, which apparently commentators here have now used to send him abusive messages.

He said something about your team that you didn’t like, which pissed you off, and that’s chill. You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to like his politics, you’re allowed to question whether the site was made in a work capacity or done independently (which he has answered). But he doesn’t deserve the level of vitriol in this post, and he doesn’t deserve texts and emails telling him he’s a piece of shit. Being a Nat doesn’t make him immune to being hurt by this kind of thing. Be kind.

Disclaimer: In the interests of transparency, I know Guerin through Wellington youth political circles – he’s friends with some of my friends so I’ve met him a few times and follow him on social media.

Prentice plus a few others piled in more vitriol. They only think it’s dirty if it’s done to them, not by them. But dirty looks dirty to most people.

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11 Comments

  1. Mike C

     /  14th July 2015

    “Tight Moderation” in one direction 🙂

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  2. Missy

     /  14th July 2015

    I was surprised that a comment criticising lprent’s post and the vitriol of attack actually made it through moderation. I am waiting now for the hysterical abusive response from Prentice to someone who dared to question him in such a reasonable way.

    It was a good post by Izzy.

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    • Prentice has admitted he’s binning a quarter of comments. Bullies like him don’t react well to criticism and to people standing up to him – that’s why I get up his nose.

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      • Missy

         /  14th July 2015

        Probably also why he cowardly posted at TS in response to your post here, rather than posting here.

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  3. kittycatkin

     /  14th July 2015

    What’s a peaknuckle war ???

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    • A thumb war (pea-knuckle or pea-knuckle war in New Zealand) is a game played by two players in a tournament called a thumb-a-war (or thumb war) using the thumbs to simulate fighting. The object of the game is to pin the opponent’s thumb, often to a count of three.

      “One, two, three, four, I declare a thumb war”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thumb_war

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  4. Pete Kane

     /  14th July 2015

    “I think it was poor judgement by Guerin to do this when he is an employee of the Parliamentary Service – while he has every right to be involved in political activities in his spare time, the unfortunate reality for PS employees is that it’s pretty risky to do so in any public way, because of perception issues like this.”

    And that for me is why I think this young man has bought his current misfortune upon himself. But, fully agree that doesn’t excuse the hypocrisy and double standards (no pun intended) of those at another site.

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    • Missy

       /  14th July 2015

      Fair enough to criticise him for it considering where he works, but he did not deserve to have his phone number posted on TS or have people send him abusive texts – to say he brought that on himself is unfair.

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  14th July 2015

    Parody is fair use of copyright. The idiots don’t have a case on that. But they since they know nothing about anything they wouldn’t know that either.

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  6. Missy

     /  14th July 2015

    lprent has responded to Izzy, now I see why he let it through, it was so he could abuse and threaten some more in (I guess to him anyway) a legitimate manner.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/ben-guerin-a-dirty-politics-fuckwit/#comment-1044016

    He doesn’t seem bothered about the abusive texts, and admits he would do it again, before ending with a threat to Izzy and her ‘wellington “team”‘.

    He also tries to say he doesn’t play for a ‘team’ – a Tui ad if I ever saw one! With this post he certainly seems to be playing for the ‘team’ – whether at their behest or not, it looks to me like an attempt at a political hit job from Labour.

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