The Quin response – how Labourites treat their own

The Labour Party’s decision to dump on not just all New Zealanders with Chinese ethnicity but all New Zealanders with potentially Chinese sounding names has divided their support base. Some are defending Labour’s actions, some are horrified that Labour would so blatantly play a race card.

One of the latter is long time Labourite Phil Quin who emailed his resignation to the party secretary.

Dear Mr. Barnett

In light of Labour’s calculated decision over the weekend to deploy racial profiling as a political tactic, I resign my membership of the party.

I am stunned that Labour, as a matter of conscious political strategy, would trawl through a dubiously ­acquired list of property buyers to identify Chinese­sounding names. Even as I write the words, I can scarcely believe that senior party leaders – or anyone of good conscience, for that matter – thought it an advisable course of action. That they are now defending it – even attacking Susan Devoy for her principled comments on the subject – compounds my disappointment.

I lived and worked in Rwanda for several years, including in 2014, during the twentieth commemoration of the genocide against the Tutsi minority. Many of my former colleagues, still dear friends, are among the few who survived the slaughter. They taught me something about what happens when political parties start compiling lists based on ethnicity. Nothing good can come from racial profiling of the kind Labour chose to employ in pursuit of a headline and a poll bump.

Some have applauded that as a principled action.

3 News reported Labour unwavering on Chinese buyer data:

Labour is unrepentant, standing by the unlawfully leaked real estate data and its analysis, which suggests three-quarters of Chinese buying in Auckland don’t actually live in New Zealand.

“It’s always disappointing when a member resigns from the party, but the correspondence coming to my office in the last day or two has been overwhelmingly in favour,” says Mr Little.

Many of those not in favour have chosen to express their disappointment elsewhere, like Quin. His letter was posted at The Standard – Phil Quin resigns from Labour – where there was some support.

But some Labour supporters are happy to be rid of anyone who is not in their own favoured faction. It’s as if they have support to burn and don’t care about shedding stalwarts.

Here are some of the comments celebrating Quin’s resignation.

Saarbo:

Good riddance, Quin’s always been a fuckwit.

mickysavage:

He is no left wing saviour. He has attacked the party publicly for years and think we made a bad decision in keeping Helen Clark as leader. He with the Paganis are firm believers of Blairite third way politics, the sort that gave us the beneficiary on the roof speech from David Shearer.

He was also allegedly in the process of setting up an alternative left wing party and/or faction within Labour based on Progress in the UK. I suspect that we will see some more activity on this part so his self martyrdom needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

lprent:

I have never figured out what in the hell those bozos like Quinn were trying to achieve. Sort of socially conservative basher with a rather strange crony capitalistic bent. But I really suspect that it has more to do with some kind of “I want power/I love the game” leverage than actual thought through convictions.

Anyway, I’d be rather pleased to see them fade to obscurity.

leftie:

In my humble opinion, it is no great loss this pretender has resigned. Labour is better off.

Thom Pietersen:

Agreed – part of the ideological nutbar PC brigade – Labour – working people, working, not bloody bludging. Maybe he could join the elitist arse sitting privileged geoglobal money party (I’d bang in a bit of totalitarianism – if people would keep shtum about the price of a TV).

Irascible:

In all my years in the Labour Party I’ve never met, heard or seen Phil Quin taking an active or positive role at any level. Anything I’ve ever heard about him has been derogatory and derisory. His resignation should, therefore be seen for what it is, grandstanding by a nonentity in an effort to rebuild his often ignored ego.

Anne:

Glad he’s gone and I hope he takes his right-wing third way friends (eg. Josie Pagani) with him. They can set up their own little think tank and run down Labour (as they have been doing for a very long time) ad infinitum.

Sanctuary:

+100 Anne

All this has done is given the likes of Quinn and whole pile of other middle class, identity politics Blairist ex-Labour types the fig leaf they needed to start honest about the fact they nowvote National. Bye bye, you won’t be missed.

Paul:

So hardly a loss then.

Mark:

Well if thats all it took to get rid of that prick, the Labour Party should have done it ages ago. Now if we were really lucky Josie might join her good friend. That would be the icing on top.

KK:

Good riddance.

Jenny Kirk:

Great to see him go ! He’s just a parasite and rightwing with it.

ankerawshark:

 Good the issues has forced the resignation of Phil Quin.

Te Reo Putake:

Glad he’s gone, wish he’d gone a long time ago. National and ACT are his ideological home and they’re welcome to him. The NZ Labour party doesn’t need constant undermining from people who use their membership as a device to destroy the party from within. It’s cheap, cowardly and dishonest.

Good riddance, Phil. You were very, very average.

G C:

Bye Phil bye – nobody cares

geoff:

Phil Quim quits……and nothing of value was lost

keyman:

never heard of him so wont miss him sounds like a twat

Blue:

Good riddance to Quin – that’s probably the only bright spot to come out of this fiasco.

whateva next?

ad nauseum rather! Labour is about co operation, cohesion and compromise, not a federation of self interested separatists. Time to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A highly ironic comment.

Labour sort of need all the wheat, chaff, oats and barley that they can get don’t they? Or will those remaining be happy being a 20% party?

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47 Comments

  1. Hollyfield

     /  15th July 2015

    This is Labour’s biggest problem. Instead of thinking “how can we turn this around, what can we do to regain this person’s trust”, they instead isolate and alienate them. (It’s very childish playground behaviour of “I’m not talking to you”) They’re not exactly so far ahead in the polls that they can afford to turn their backs on any potential voter.

    A few years ago I declined to sign a petition outside my local supermarket. I had seen the display from a distance, I managed to avoid them on my way into the supermarket, but on the way out despite giving the display a wide berth I was accosted and demanded that I sign the petition. When I politely declined the man shouted abuse at me for several minutes. He was wearing a Labour party rosette. Great way to win over potential voters!

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  2. kiwi_guy

     /  15th July 2015

    Pointing out the flood of Chinese hot money adding fuel to the Auckland housing bubble is not racist.

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    • FarmerPete

       /  15th July 2015

      Of course it is blatantly racist. It is not just Chinese immigrants who have more money to spend than locals. Others just look like us and have names like us so they are invisible. Singling out the Chines is as xenophobic as you can get. And anyway, focusing on immigrants simply takes the attention away from the real issues – supply of land, council costs etc.

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      • kiwi_guy

         /  15th July 2015

        See you got it all wrong – we are not talking about “immigrants” but the flood of hot money looking for a safe harbour to hide from a Chinese government crackdown on corruption and an economy in the middle of a crash.

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        • FarmerPete

           /  15th July 2015

          And that is different from the exodus of South Africans and others how?

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  3. rayinnz

     /  15th July 2015

    Well no it is not racist Kiwiguy but suggesting everyone with a chinky sounding name is fuelling the Auckland bubble definitely is!

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    • kiwi_guy

       /  15th July 2015

      But Labour haven’t suggested that, that is the spin put on it by those with vested interests.

      After all the government has refused to collect the relevant data, the realestate companies keep their data hidden away ( until it is leaked ) while denying any large influx of Chinese hot money ( you know that money that the realestate operations are skimming very profitably – record breaking in fact.)

      So how about we all stop the PC nonsense and be honest about the flood of Chinese hot money adding fuel to the fire.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  15th July 2015

        Yes, let’s be honest and say that foreign investment into New Zealand is great for everyone wherever it comes from. And that the only problem is our moronic bureaucracies that make building new homes so difficult, slow and expensive.

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        • kiwi_guy

           /  15th July 2015

          Lets be honest, a tsunami of hot money from the third world or international drug cartels is not great for everyone and is extremely damaging to a small economy and democratic nation.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  15th July 2015

            Utter rubbish. The money paid for these houses enables a better standard of living and more investment for New Zealanders. You have no evidence any significant amount comes from international drug cartels or any other justification for your blanket assertions.

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            • Farmerpete

               /  16th July 2015

              Wow, I judge from the down ticks that zenophobia is alive and well, and that it is ok to throw around wild assertions like the influx of Chinese money is connected with international criminal activities. I must trot off over to the Standard and give that a whirl!

  4. FarmerPete

     /  15th July 2015

    They are a pretty toxic bunch over there. It is sad really, that they can’t see what is happening – their left wing, labour (note the small ‘l’) oriented blog has evolved into a strident bitter and overtly aggressive echo chamber where it is ok to character assassinate, express very unseemly things and hunt in packs like some grotesque online ‘lord of the flies’ parody. They are quickly evolving into a very marginalised, disillusioned and strident organisation. They way they turn on there own is astonishing.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th July 2015

      “The way they turn on their own is astonishing.” Not if you know any history of the Left and fundamentalists. The French and Russian revolutions pretty much set the pattern long ago. Muslims have refined it over even longer. True believers like nothing better than killing off those who don’t 100% kowtow to the party line or threaten their power in any way.

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  5. Wrong :
    1) they are highlighting the chinese speculators, because they appear to be buying up most of the real estate in Akld
    2) ‘Team Key’ refuse to register overseas buyers
    3) Obviously many ‘average kiwis’ are interested in who is buying up our country
    4) we cant buy the property in China (& other countries) why are they allowed to buy up ours ?
    5) more right-wing misinformation to detract from the ‘real issues’ !
    6) it maybe portrayed as ‘racist’ but its just reality, we risk becoming ‘tenants in our own land’ if this continues unabated 😦

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    • Missy

       /  15th July 2015

      “Wrong :
      1) they are highlighting the chinese speculators, because they appear to be buying up most of the real estate in Akld”

      Wrong, they weren’t highlighting Chinese speculators, at their own admission they were highlighting the number of people with Chinese names who bought houses from one agency in a three month period – how many of these people with a Chinese surname were Chinese? how many were speculators? how many identify as Australian, Canadian, or New Zealander rather than as Chinese? We don’t know.

      “2) ‘Team Key’ refuse to register overseas buyers”

      Good point, though the new regulations will go some way to doing this, but even if there was a register of overseas buyers some could potentially still get around it by using a proxy in NZ to purchase.

      “3) Obviously many ‘average kiwis’ are interested in who is buying up our country”

      That is a communist argument if I ever heard one – we have a history of private ownership, not collective ownership, therefore why do ‘average kiwis’ have the right to know who is buying private property?

      “4) we cant buy the property in China (& other countries) why are they allowed to buy up ours ?”

      The FTA signed in early 2008 by Labour.

      “5) more right-wing misinformation to detract from the ‘real issues’ !”

      What misinformation? Twyford, Salmond and Little have all stated that they used racial profiling of names to come to their conclusions, how is pointing out the limitations and xenophobic undertones of such methodology misinformation?

      “6) it maybe portrayed as ‘racist’ but its just reality, we risk becoming ‘tenants in our own land’ if this continues unabated 😦 ”

      The method and conclusions drawn are racist. How is coming to a conclusion using a methodology based solely on a name sounding Chinese not racist?

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      • More ‘right-wing’ misinformation… 🙂

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      • Way left of centre

         /  15th July 2015

        “That is a communist argument if I ever heard one”

        That is a retarded piece of idealogical bollocks if I ever read one. Dunderhead.

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        • Missy

           /  15th July 2015

          There is no need to resort to insults to try and make a point. Try making a point as to why you think the idea of collective ownership and claiming privately owned land as ‘our’ land is not a communist argument without resorting to insults.

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          • Way left of centre

             /  15th July 2015

            Write retarded rubbish and you’ll get called for it, and let’s be clear, what you wrote was retarded rubbish. It’s called cause and effect. Get use to it from now on.
            You right wing meme peddlars like alan and farmer knuckle shifter look good.

            As for you pretending you want a dialogue, you’ll have to up your game and stop coming out with nonsense first. “Communist arguments” LOL

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            • Way left of centre

               /  15th July 2015

              And before that other idiot makes a fuss, yes, another typo on ‘peddlers’ lol

            • Missy

               /  15th July 2015

              And if you continue insulting those that disagree with you I will continue to call you out for it, and label it for what it is – bullying.

            • Way left of centre

               /  15th July 2015

              To be fair, from your position of ignorance, it’s all your going to be left with.

              It’s not bullying, it’s robust rejection of some seriously small minded thinking. That it’s not even your own thoughts but parroting a party line of the day could work in your favour, but ultimately it doesn’t.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  15th July 2015

              Come on, bean brain. Dredge up some kind of crappy case to supplement your pathetic little puerile insults.

            • Way left of centre

               /  15th July 2015

              lol

            • Farmerpete

               /  16th July 2015

              And what you are doing is abusive, which simply means you have nothing worth contributing.

            • Abusiveness is rarely an effective way of making an argument, it’s usually counter productive to being listened to.

            • Way left of centre

               /  16th July 2015

              That may well be true, PG, but ultimately that argument falls over as it depends on the worthiness, credibility and impartiality of those meant to be listening.

              Given the audience, expect more of the same, unless you’re going to go all the standard and start politically banning. That would be quite ironic, especially some the hate speak I’ve seen posted on here.

              You’d have been better off telling them to grow backbones and to harden the f*ck up. If they can dish it they should be prepared to take it, no?

            • Way left of centre

               /  16th July 2015

              “Abusiveness is rarely an effective way of making an argument, it’s usually counter productive to being listened to.”

              All those vitriolic post on the latest Prentice post will be getting the same sort of response that you’ve given here?
              Will farmer f*ckwit, little Al and dunderhead start castigating the authors of those insults any time soon?

              So to recap, those moaning about insults need a new backbone to go along with the second faces. lol

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  16th July 2015

              Prentice reaps what he sows. I ignore him, as I will now you, as worthless with nothing to contribute.

            • Way left of centre

               /  16th July 2015

              You won’t be able to do it. Guaranteed.

          • Way left of centre

             /  15th July 2015

            “3) Obviously many ‘average kiwis’ are interested in who is buying up our country”

            Just like many average kiwis want to know the rugby results or who won the lotto jackpot. How is that in any way communist?
            The commenter never said anything about “collective ownership” or “claiming privately owned land as ‘our’ land”. To get communist thinking from it is just bizarre.

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            • Missy

               /  15th July 2015

              Referring to private property with the plural possessive pronoun ‘our’ is to refer to the property as having collective ownership – which is communist ideology. The property being bought and sold does not belong to ‘us’ it belongs to the person who holds the title, and so therefore there is no ‘our’ about it. No-one is buying the country, they are buying property that they are legally entitled to.

            • Way left of centre

               /  15th July 2015

              lol

            • Way left of centre

               /  15th July 2015

              So when the pm, or meme spreaders, talk about ‘our’ milk exports being at risk because of this alleged anti Chinese rhetoric you’ve all been going on about, as we don’t all own farms and shares in f(r)onterra, he and they are really being dirty communists?

            • FarmerPete

               /  16th July 2015

              Wow, a Lynn Prentice fanboy, his mini me perhaps. Here’s something for you to learn. Over 90% of the people who comment here do so whilst treating the person they are disagreeing with with some courtesy and respect. That way other people listen even though they might still disagree. Your comments are rank and abusive and you clearly have little to add to the discussion. Your comment about Fonterra above has no logic, no point and is almost unintelligible.
              Abuse is the last refuge of those who can’t get others to listen through reason and logic.
              Enjoy!

            • Way left of centre

               /  16th July 2015

              “Wow, a Lynn Prentice fanboy, his mini me perhaps.”

              You’ll need to do a little more research there, farmer f*cknut. You’ve got that very very wrong.

              As for the rest of your drivel, reading between the lines, all I’m getting is whaa, whaa, our little gang of government appeasers is getting it broadside.
              Now take your pretend outrage and go and do something constructive – Knuckle scraper. lol

  6. It astonishes me that there was one principled person in the Labour Party. Now clearly there are none. The minute you use the race card for any purpose you admit to a lack of integrity and moral values. The best thing that all Kiwis can do is ensure the “reward” sought of a poll bounce goes even further down particularly by Maori New Zealanders and their non-Maori kin. As the grand-parent of mixed race children I am personally offended by the Labour approach and now am determined to do all I can to erode any residual support it may have left. The language used by some commentators to Standard Blog is obscene and offensive and shows an inability to express one’s feelings in plain English.

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  7. traveller

     /  15th July 2015

    What happened to the “broad church”? It seems there is only room for activists and special interest groups within Labour, and nowhere reflects their dearth of talent and ideas than over at thedoublestandard. The Rainbow flag, the Red flag, the hammer and sickle are still flapping away, but do we see any evidence of a Labour Party online presence that reflects the interests and aspirations of Mr and Miss Middle of the road?
    Moderate and dissenting voices like Phil Quin are silenced in a cacophony of “+100”, “good riddance” while over on Twitter their twisted acolytes show us just why they need the pleasant steadiness of John Key and National to run NZ Inc.

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    • Missy

       /  15th July 2015

      Exactly! They are alienating many young and middle aged people who work hard and want to do well in life, and when it is pointed out to them they put their heads in the sand and ignore it, whilst bullying and harassing those that don’t agree with their world view – the reaction to Phil Quinn is just the latest example.

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    • I asked, Anne, one of the people who regularly post on the standard about the broad church thing… she didn’t respond but one of the normal heavies came in with the go away troll type responses.

      Their willingness to actual articulate what they stand for when asked is very poor. If your a party political partisan as I believe Anne is, you should take every opportunity to present the positive things your party stands for. Even if asked over and over. Evangelise like there is no tomorrow.

      The fact many of the overt Labour types don’t put their best foot forward and talk up the Labour Party, shows they have lost all heart and are only able to lash out like a beaten dog. Sad what Labour has become…

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  8. Mike C

     /  15th July 2015

    Any recent news about the Real Estate Companys investigation into who the Employee was that leaked the names to the Labour heirachy?

    I hope that the employee gets named shamed and fired 🙂

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    • Missy

       /  15th July 2015

      Absolutely! Phil Twyford is way off base calling the person who gave him the information a ‘whistleblower’, and to use that term to try and wiggle out of the obvious fact that he received private information unlawfully is poor form on his part. There is nothing about what the Real Estate Agency has been doing that is dishonest, or illegal, and thus there is no reason for ‘whistleblowing’, and for the Labour Party to justify this gross breach of privacy is shoddy.

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    • J Bloggs

       /  15th July 2015

      Whoever it was has been fired….http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11481506

      Phil Twyford claims his first scalp

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      • Missy

         /  15th July 2015

        Wait for the Labour Party to claim the agent has been persecuted for being a whistleblower….

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      • Missy

         /  15th July 2015

        And the NZHerald to out them going on their big banner ‘Do you know the staffer? Email the Herald’.

        I see Phil Twyford is still trying to claim it is a ‘whistleblower’.

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  9. I’m reading some real ideological difference here.. but at the end of the day, when I got my citizenship granted (1980s) I thought it meant something, about my relationship with this country & the people. BUT I’m hearing from some of you that there really is not difference; lets just sell everything to the highest bidder regardless of who they are or where they are located. The ‘mighty dollar rules’ !!!
    i guess the only ‘saving grace’ being the ‘foreign investors/prospectors’ can’t pull it up & ship the land offshore.. along side the swamp Kauri & anything else of value (not tied down) :/

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  15th July 2015

      Of course citizenship means something, including the right to vote, enter and leave freely, and receive medical and welfare support. That does not include the right to other people’s property whether resident or otherwise. You also have the right to trade freely with other countries which after a moment’s thought you should realize involves them trading freely with other New Zealanders.

      In your case, I will allow several moments for this entirely new thought to penetrate and percolate.

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