Let’s Flag it!

My Word

It’s becoming the debate that no one wants to talk about in polite circles anymore- The Flag. Indications are that opinions are not as divided as they may seem.There’s reasons and stuff. The arguments about the flag have meant that many can no longer see the wood for the trees. There’s those that say that that’s exactly what John Key wants: all the hobbits arguing in the magic forest about a flag while he gets his secret TPPA deals signed, sealed and delivered…

So far the plethora of mostly nonacademic (therefore statistically not robust) polls have indicated that the majority are against the change. Since the decision to change the flag is going to be decided by a series of referendums (which cost millions of dollars to carry out but are the democratic way to make decisions) one would think that the first question to ask would be ‘Do you…

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  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  16th July 2015

    Why post this offensive excretion? I just wasted 30 seconds skimming it.

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    • Way left of centre

       /  16th July 2015

      “Come on, bean brain. Dredge up some kind of crappy case to supplement your pathetic little puerile insults.”

      LOL

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    • I’d like a reasonable debate, but this is typical of national supporters, just throw out insults…

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  16th July 2015

        “A good representation for our flag design could be John Key’s toilet paper with his shit on it…”

        Start as you mean to continue then.

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      • Goldie

         /  16th July 2015

        “I’d like a reasonable debate, but this is typical of national supporters, just throw out insults…”

        And yet it was you who wrote:
        “New Zealand currency with his shit on it to represent how he’s wiping his arse with us and our money. Maybe a picture of John just shitting on the poor would be a fair design?”

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  2. @AW 😦

    I think the writer has ‘hit the nail.. square on the head’ !

    A total distraction by ‘team Key’ from this failed ‘neo-liberal’ agenda & a waste of $26mil
    “oh dear.. how sad” :/

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  3. The Government should simply have just introduced the new flag which we’ll inevitably have. The $26 million is the cost of not wearing accusations of being dictatorial.

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  4. GOLDFINGER

     /  16th July 2015

    Checking out her Facebook page, Rachel looks and sounds like a reasonably intelligent young lady. However, if this is the best description she can come up with for a new flag, I’m not sure graphic design is her thing….

    “A good representation for our flag design could be John Key’s toilet paper with his shit on it…”

    She fails to recognize that a flag needs to be double-sided.

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    • Ah thank you- I’ll try to brush up on my graphic design skills…

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      • Way left of centre

         /  16th July 2015

        Second side – A plane flying off to Hawaii as the country gets flushed down the toilet behind it.

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  5. rayinnz

     /  16th July 2015

    “Let’s not change the flag till there is no poverty”
    Yes, that will work

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    • Way left of centre

       /  16th July 2015

      How about let’s not change the flag until there’s a public movement calling for it, which there isn’t, but no, that won’t work for this ulterior motive government and it’s meme spreader lackeys.

      And besides, whatever is behind the diversionary tactic the flag debate really is, it’s still ridiculous to vote for a flag before you know people want it changed. It’s like asking someone to choose a car before they know they’ve decided to learn to drive.

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      • Gyben Herzberg

         /  16th July 2015

        Whatever…..as Claire T said in her herald piece:

        ‘Labour has also taken to feeding the perception that it is a “vanity project” for John Key. This primarily comes down to sour grapes. Labour wants a new flag. But they don’t want Key to be the one whose name is linked to it. They want it for themselves.’

        As for no change ‘…until there is no poverty’………I’m not sure intellectual poverty is going to disappear anytime soon (eh, zedd), especially when clowns refer to the current government as neo-liberal. Sheesh ….do…you…have…no…fucking…idea….what….those…words…mean (there, I said it slooowly) or are you just proving my point?

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        • UHHH ! :/

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          • Zedd- they’ve really got no tangible arguments, just bullies that throw stones- childish.

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            • FarmerPete

               /  16th July 2015

              If you think this is bad why don’t you have a read of the Standard!

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  16th July 2015

          You could have a more intelligent conversation with your dog than this lot. They take stupidity to a whole new level. Pete, look at what you did here and please don’t do it again.

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          • Way left of centre

             /  16th July 2015

            “Come on, bean brain. Dredge up some kind of crappy case to supplement your pathetic little puerile insults.”

            LOL

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      • Goldie

         /  16th July 2015

        Watleftofcentre: “How about let’s not change the flag until there’s a public movement calling for it, which there isn’t, but no, that won’t work for this ulterior motive government and it’s meme spreader lackeys.”

        You do realise that a referendum to change the flag was LABOUR policy since 2010?

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        • Way left of centre

           /  16th July 2015

          And that signifies a wider public movement for change how exactly?

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  6. FarmerPete

     /  16th July 2015

    I have to say Pete that this post really is dross. We can’t have a debate on our national symbol of identity until we have solved poverty (my paraphrase)? I am happy to read it as a comment, but really the content and style is more suited to The Standard. But I guess that is the price we pay for open discussion and debate.

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  7. Mike C

     /  16th July 2015

    Well I want a change of flag.

    If Prime Minister Key hadn’t suggested it … it wouldn’t have crossed my mind.

    The Royal Family have endorsed John Keys suggestion, which has made me feel totally at ease with embracing a New Zealand National Flag that is more in keeping with where our Country is at in the present time … rather than clinging to a flag that was invented more than a hundred years ago.

    Would anybody in here still be happy to use the gigantic mobile phones that existed in the late 1980’s … or are we all very happy with the size of our mobile phones now?

    Life and time moves on and forward 🙂

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  8. Chalfont St. Giles

     /  16th July 2015

    Just because you say “the Royal Family have endorsed the suggestion,” is hardly a valid reason for change. An endorsement from them certainly doesn’t make me feel at ease with embracing anything!

    It wasn’t that long ago that Prince Charles said he wished he could change – into a Tampax 😦

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    • Mike C

       /  16th July 2015

      @ Saint Giles.

      That private conversation between Charles and Camilla took place in late 1989.

      You need to bring your mind-set and way of thinking into the 21st Century. LOL.

      http://ubermorgen.com/UM/camilla.txt

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      • Chalfont St. Giles

         /  16th July 2015

        @ Mike C

        Thanks for the nostalgic posting……

        I rest my case 🙂

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    • Maureen

       /  16th July 2015

      The Royal Family? Please. As if they are an endorsement for anything. While the Queen does a great job in her PR role, what have the rest of them done that edifies any of them above being a “normal” dysfunctional family. I can’t think of one thing.

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  9. Maureen

     /  16th July 2015

    The flag is a sideshow to test how easily people will adhere to a change in their national identity/allegiance. New Zealand is all over bar the shouting – our policies are rolled out from the U.S./UN while our country’s politics are a stupid competition between Red or Blue. Both sides take their instructions from the same place (hint: it isn’t here). Welcome the Muslims, thank China for buying us, and don’t call any of it out or you’ll be a racist. Wake up folks, it doesn’t matter whether we have this flag or some other flag, you’re slaves to the economy. Perhaps the flag should have the Yuan on it.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  16th July 2015

      Better to be a slave to the economy than to anything or anyone else. You then have freedom to do anything your imagination can conceive. Doesn’t sound that is much in your case.

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      • Maureen

         /  16th July 2015

        Sorry, I missed noticing your credentials Alan, were you famous for something.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  16th July 2015

          Famous enough for me, thanks, Maureen. So no chip on my shoulder or blaming the world or politicians for my own inadequacies or choices. You?

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          • Maureen

             /  16th July 2015

            I wasn’t actually “blaming the world” Alan. Further I didn’t state nor infer I felt inadequate. When you have a moment from you successful lifestyle, go and have a read about where the moronic local government(s) get their ideas from – cycle ways, all the morons on public transport , apartment living on rail corridors, etc. I think you’ll find thy didn’t all think it up for themselves. This was my point.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  16th July 2015

              It’s hardly news that new ideas are rare and local government is surely one of the least likely places to generate them. Maybe you should be telling us what you would like to see happen rather than hinting at what you don’t like.

  10. Mike C

     /  16th July 2015

    @ Saint Giles.

    I don’t remember what I did on the 18th of December 1989 even though it was my Birthday … and I am quietly confident that you don’t remember anything you said to anyone you loved that day either.

    You are clearly the type of person who thinks it is okay to do illegal stuff to folks other than yourself.

    I rest my case Your Honour 🙂

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  11. Maureen

     /  16th July 2015

    Alan, I don’t appear to be able to directly respond to your comment. I do wonder why the banks can create “money” for a loan application, which is in fact an electronic line item, and they’re paid back (in interest) from real money, that has been earned. I would be so grateful if you, in your superior wisdom, could explain this to me I.e. How fake money is created by banks and replaced with real money that has been earned against a task or an asset? and, they’re doing you a favour?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  16th July 2015

      Well, that seems to be a completely new topic. The banks don’t create fake money. They do have the opportunity to re-lend already lent money if it is returned to them as a deposit when it is spent. That is the essence of the claim that they create money – actually they create debt. The Reserve Bank controls that ability in various ways to ensure that the amount of debt and credit created does not grow fast enough to create excessive inflation.

      What is your problem with that?

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      • Maureen

         /  16th July 2015

        You are correct – banks create debt at interest, which is repaid with money. They lend you a line item, which is repaid with earned $’s. You were saying this is a good thing?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th July 2015

          Yes, since the banks must compete with,each other like all market participants margins are controlled by competition.

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      • Maureen

         /  16th July 2015

        Are you saying that if the reserve bank did their job properly, we would not succumb to financial instability!

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th July 2015

          Yes, and we have not succumbed to financial instability since the RB was given this proper mandate. Our dollar has been remarkably stable and inflation has been modest. However market stability is a different issue subject to both internal and external factors – commodity prices, immigration flows and regulatory interference as well as business cycles.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  17th July 2015

          Exactly. Gould is a ranting know-nothing extremist Lefty retired Pommie politician. What he knows about finance could be written on the back of an envelope.

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  12. given the at times banana republic we seem to have, along with bent cops, tainted judicial activity and a govt that seems to do as it pleases why don’t we have the Skull & Cross Bones flag! NZ …….. a nation of pirates and plunderers

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