NZ First Nastyism

NZ First have opposed everything about the flag change consideration process. They oppose flag change so they oppose the flag referendums – despite this being contrary to their policy on democratic process.

In the Red Peak debate yesterday NZ First MP Denis O’Rourke took opposition to flag consideration to a new low – a very low low.

O’Rourke likened the Red Peak flag to Nazism. This is gross Nastyism.

First he showed various photos of German sentry boxes from World War 2:

ORourkePillbox

It’s a major stretch claiming that looks like Red Peak.

But it got worse. O’Rourke then showed a concocted symbol from multiple Red Peak flags arranged at various angles. He took this off Twitter where it had been circulated.

ORourkeNastyismThis is disgraceful from a Member of Parliament. O’Rourke is a disgrace displaying current New Zealand flags prominently alongside this sort of despicable contrived symbolism.

Draft transcript of O’Rourke’s speech:

So let us look at this peculiar alternative called the Red Peak. It is angular, gaudy, and in no way representative of New Zealand or our culture. It is suitable as a road danger sign, and it looks very much like a commercial logo. It is virtually the same as that of a commercial Canadian log-hauling company.

More worrying is the similarity with the design of Nazi sentry boxes during World War II . Look at this photograph: this is actually a photograph taken from the Atlantic Wall Open Air Museum in Oostende, Belgium, and in it, that is a Nazi sentry box.

Look at it. Look at the design on the side of it. Look at the fact that it begins with a red peak, with a white peak on top of that which is also identical to the Red Peak flag. Then there is a black peak on top of that, also identical to the Red Peak flag. Only that little bit of blue, in one corner, is missing.

There is an uncanny resemblance, and the sad fact is that the Nazi colours were red, white, and black, as the Red Peak flag is, and those are the colours that dominate the Red Peak flag. Those who doubt, have a look at this photograph, because there is that same sentry box in full colour.

The similarity is absolutely stunning—absolutely stunning. Let us look at that design that I have just shown you, and the Red Peak, side by side. Look at the similarity. Could it be much closer? It could not—it could not be much closer. That is how close the Red Peak design is to a Nazi sentry box design from World War II.

I would like Gareth Hughes to have a good look at it, but he does not want to because he does not want to know the truth.

But people will make mischief of it. This design was obtained tonight from the internet. It was not by New Zealand First—not encouraged by New Zealand First—but by somebody already going on to the internet to say that.

O’Rourke and by association NZ First has not just encouraged this, he has promoted and displayed the nonsense in Parliament.

With simple shapes like red peak it’s possible to juggle bits around and make up all sorts of unrelated images.

That is what people will do with that design because it is absolutely nothing to do with New Zealand’s culture or New Zealand’s people.

We will be ridiculed overseas in exactly this sort of way if New Zealand was to adopt that kind of awful monstrosity of a design for the New Zealand flag. Imagine what the Aussies will say, not to mention the Yanks. What about the British tabloids—they will have absolute field day if we were to adopt a flag like that. I would not blame them.

The national flag of New Zealand must engender respect for our country, not provide a means of ridicule.

Such a nasty Godwin attack on an alternative design while flying the current flag does the opposite of engender respect for O’Rourke and NZ First.

Denis O’Rourke and New Zealand First – this is shameful disgraceful nasty politics.

Full video of his speech:

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17 Comments

  1. jaspa

     /  24th September 2015

    I had been wondering when this whole shambles of an argument would enter the Godwin phase. The time for any sort of rational discussion is clearly over.

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  2. It is just nonsense beyond belief. So the germans used their national colours (Black/red/white) for guarding huts like they still do sometimes today (black/red/gold)

    http://tinyurl.com/pyzn5fz

    It had absolutely nothing to do with Nazis, the colours were Germany’s flag before the Nazis gained power.

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    • kittycatkin

       /  24th September 2015

      NZ First seem not to know that black-their colour-was the colour of the British Union of Fascists, Oswald Mosley’s wannabe-Nazi movement. Or do they ???

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  3. rayinnz

     /  24th September 2015

    Thing is that after all this buffoonery the chance of a flag change is disappearing and unfortunately so will the chance to change it for decades
    Any time a survey is done asking NZ citizens to identity our flag a serious number can’t distinguish it from the Australia one, while the percentage of non NZers who can tell the difference is minuscule
    Personally I don’t have a real problem with this as a number of my ancestors came here via Australia thanks to the convict policy in 18 century Scotland but for most hmmmm

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  4. Mike C

     /  24th September 2015

    The NZFirst Party did a great job promoting the Flag Change Policy process … along with the Greens and Labour Party 🙂

    This sort of negative advertising for the Red Peak American Engineering Company’s Logo by the WinstonFirst Party could not possibly have been able to have been purchased by the National Party to promote one of the Silver Fern designs. LOL.

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    • Pete Kane

       /  24th September 2015

      Some of it may just be posturing, but what I saw last night seemed some genuine animosity from the 3 opposition parties. And Bill English. on the Greens, wow, I think he left the Greens shocked given the extended hand the Greens offered.
      http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/39831

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    • kittycatkin

       /  24th September 2015

      I cannot understand why anyone likes the flag when it looks so like that company’s logo. I find it a dull design anyway, and I think that it would soon become dated. It looks like what it is-a company logo-and using it as a flag would make NZ look ridiculous. One might as well use the McDonalds’ arches.I would imagine thar the company whose design has been taken would take exception to this lifting of their design-I would.

      But the Nazi thing is insane. It’s an insult to anyone who suffered under the German regime of the War and the Holocaust.

      I have read obections to lipsticks because they are a symbol of male oppression (the shape) and this is just as crazy.

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  5. tealeaves

     /  24th September 2015

    Sorry, but I think the four stuck together makes a swastika angle is quite the stroke of genius – batty genius, but genius nonetheless. And deeply offputting and I wouldn’t go near it, not that triangle ever appealed anyway.

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  6. Zedd

     /  24th September 2015

    I think it is a slightly warped, but relevant point.. the last time a political leader changed a nations flag, without the overall consent of the people, was……. extreme right-wing !

    The politicians are in parliament to represent ‘WE the people’ NOT the whims of ‘the arrogant & out-of-touch MPs’

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    • Goldie

       /  24th September 2015

      Zedd: “the last time a political leader changed a nations flag, without the overall consent of the people”
      The process is to have a dual referendum so there is the consent of the people.

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      • kittycatkin

         /  24th September 2015

        Good point. The National party cannot change the flag. The government will represent ‘us, the people.’

        Well, no government can possibly represent everyone equally all the time, of course, it’s not possible.

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      • Zedd

         /  24th September 2015

        consent of which people (the Govt. MPs mostly).. all the polls I’ve heard about say > 70% either don’t support ‘the process’ or any change OR are calling for at least the Yes/No question first, to confirm it. :/ “Get It Right !”

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        • kittycatkin

           /  24th September 2015

          It’s a binding referendum. By your logic, we would never have a change of government, as whoever was in would take no notice of election results ! The government has no choice but to do what elections & binding referendums say.

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  7. As I said yesterday, it’s not about the flag it’s about politics.

    If it’s about politics all tactics are fair. If it’s actually about supporting a flag change or not the ardent may get hysterical.

    Then words and phrases like ‘shameful, disgraceful, nasty politics, very low low, gross nastyism’ and ‘despicable contrived symbolism’ end up getting used.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th September 2015

      To me red peak looks like a broken lance, discarded plumping on a junk heap or the trailing wing of a swastika.

      I am encouraged though that reportedly preferential voting will apply so it will not win by splitting the vote for the decent ones.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th September 2015

        Damn auto correct. Plumbing of course, not plumping.

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        • kittycatkin

           /  25th September 2015

          You can have auto incorrect removed-I have, I prefer to risk an occasional tyop. Spell checks are illiterate little sods who are fixated upon American spelling.Before I discovered how to eliminate it, it was questioning most names and wanting to change them to something ridiculous. It wouldn’t be so bad if the suggestions made sense, but they never seemed to.

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