Slater – more despicable

I didn’t plan for today to focus on Whale Oil but the campaign there against ‘Islam’ reached new depths in their third post of the day (there has since been a fourth).

In ISLAMIC COUNCIL SAYS THERE ARE NO ISRAELI VICTIMS OF TERRORISM Slater disingenuously misrepresents what the Islamic Council of New Zealand have said in a press release that condemns the Paris attacks and condemns religious related violence, and tries to turn it into an anti-Israel attack.

But the worst is his use of a photo of a dagger weilding (apparently) Muslim cleric juxtaposed with a dishonest headline and “this press release from the Islamic Council of NZ”.

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That’s dirty and inciteful, especially alongside Whale Oil’s numerous other anti-Islamic posts (four so far today, the latest on refugees which states “The only strong stance is commit to destroying these scumbags”).

And that’s not what the Islamic Council said at all.

What advertiser or politician would want to be associated with anything like this?

I haven’t Slater support anti-terrorist protests nor condemn terrorist attacks like this:

Afghans march against terrorism and for a political system to secure 

The Afghan capital Kabul witnessed a historic protest on Wednesday when tens of thousands of people marched to the presidential palace. It was the largest demonstration in Afghanistan’s modern history. Demonstrators carried the coffins and photos of seven innocent people – including two women and a nine-year-old girl – whose bodies were found on Saturday.

Afghan officials reportedly said Islamic State (IS) had kidnapped these ethnic Hazara people several months ago and held them in the Arghandab district of southern Zabul province. While serious questions remain about the circumstances of the kidnapping and killings, the captives had been brutally beheaded just days ago. Their bodies were sent to their families in the Jaghori district of Ghazni province.

Of course it’s not necessary or possible to condemn all instances of terrorism when condeming specific attacks, and it’s stupid to demand it or use it as an excuse to do the dirty on someone doing the condemning.

49 Comments

  1. ‘Least I can say, it is not all that clear that Israelis are victims of terrorism in recent incidents, and as you see no one condoled them for that, while French and Lebs were clearly victims and the whole world sympathized with them .’

    Dr Nasser Abdul Monim
    Islamic Council of New Zealand
    President

    • Guest

       /  16th November 2015

      @SB
      Oh dear! You’re not suggesting that the comment “it is not all that clear that Israelis are victims of terrorism in recent incidents” means “there are no Israeli victims of terrorism”??
      Because, as an ex-High School teacher of English, your ability to comprehend the meaning of a sentence is very suspect.
      Only the twisted could twist those words they way you/Cameron Slater have.

        • Mefrostate

           /  16th November 2015

          These videos are irrelevant to the point that you’ve misinterpreted Dr Monim’s response.

          • kiwi guy

             /  16th November 2015

            If you bothered to read Slater’s post you would see it is relevant.

            But you are a dhimmi with ts head stuck in the sand.

            • Mefrostate

               /  16th November 2015

              I did read the post. Monim’s response is poorly worded, and not what I would have preferred him to say, but his points are that a) incidents in Israel aren’t necessarily terrorism, and b) everyone else has also been loud about Paris and quiet about Israel.

            • Kevin

               /  16th November 2015

              How on earth are the incidents in Israel not terrorism???

            • Mefrostate

               /  16th November 2015

              I assume his view may be along the lines of the stabbings being the retaliatory response of desperate Palestinians, and therefore not technically terrorist acts.

              I personally disagree with this position, but one can easily see that publishing a press release about Paris and not about Israel doesn’t make an organisation or person anti-Semitic by default.

            • kiwi guy

               /  16th November 2015

              Random stabbing of Jews by Palestinians is terrorism.

              I’m not saying Israel is an angel in all this – the entire region is a Gordian Knot.

      • kiwi guy

         /  16th November 2015

        Actually in context Dr Nasser is squirming his way out of his hypocritical outrage.

        Silent when Jews are getting knifed to death in the street.

        Puts on an Academy Award winning performance when something goes down in Paris that could make him and his followers look bad.

      • Kevin

         /  16th November 2015

        There’s no twisting at all. Dr Monim is clearly saying that while he has no doubt that the French were victims of terrorism he’s not sure whether Israelis have been victims of terrorism. And the reason he appears to give is because no one “condoled” them.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  16th November 2015

      @sb
      Watch the folks here dance on the head of a pin in trying to justify the good doctors antisematicism. We don’t all have our heads up our arses though SB. There are one or two amongst the damned who actually agree with your position on this

      • Mefrostate

         /  16th November 2015

        Since you view Monim as ‘antisemitic’ for condemning Paris but not Israel, do you also view Atkins and Slater as ‘islamophobes’ for condemning Israeli deaths but never Muslim ones?

        • Kevin

           /  16th November 2015

          I’m sure if there was an attack on a Mosque by Christian terrorist extremists resulting in the deaths of Muslims, Atkins and Slater would condemn it. However since there has never been such an attack it’s purely hypothetical, now isn’t it?

          • Mefrostate

             /  16th November 2015

            Peaceful Muslims die at the hands of extremists all the time, and Atkins and Slater say nothing. Does that make them Islamophobes?

            • unitedtribes2

               /  16th November 2015

              They don’t die as a result of Christian terrorists

        • Conspiratoor

           /  16th November 2015

          @mefro for the record yes I do view atkins and slater as islamophobes. But not for ‘condemning Israeli deaths but never Muslim ones’

      • 4077th

         /  16th November 2015

        Not sure you should lump us all in with that. I tend to agree with SB and have no time for the “doctor” or his ilk. I’lll nail my colours firmly to the mast on that one!

  2. Popularity is a fascinating subject. “Perceived popularity is used to describe those individuals who are known among their peers as being popular. Unlike sociometric popularity, perceived popularity is often associated with aggression and (attempts at) dominance and is not dependent on prosocial behaviors. Individuals who have perceived popularity are often highly socially visible and frequently emulated but rarely liked”. There’s a whole psychology of this, especially relevant to personality development, peer groups, cliques and crowds. I have some enthralling material elsewhere, unaccessible at present, about the effects on the individual brain of popularity and popularity identification. Problem is, of couse, Adolf Hitler was popular. I don’t read Slater but I’d say he knows his market and plays up to it very successfully. (You could do it and not even believe the stuff). It also seems to be a very big market. Plenty of people want to identify, be part of the clique, part of the group, in the crowd. (Click! Salute!) Ѱ

    • Conspiratoor

       /  16th November 2015

      @pnz
      Dont be offended but you appear to have perfected the art of using a lot of words to say nothing. Probably best if that ‘enthralling material’ remains inaccessible.

      • Don’t be offended Conspiratoor but you have no right to tell anyone else what the should say here or how they should say it.

        Freed speech means freedom to speak how you like.

        There seems to be an influx of “shut the fuck uppers”.

        • Conspiratoor

           /  16th November 2015

          Interesting response

        • Mefrostate

           /  16th November 2015

          I fully support PartisanZ’s right to speak how they like on here, but Conspiratoor certainly also has the right to share his opinion about the original comment being long-winded.

      • Rob

         /  16th November 2015

        @Conspiratoor
        Dont be offended but just because your comprehension skills are less than those of a dead louse doesn’t mean nothing is being said.

  3. I have read very carefully the statements of the President of the Islamic Council in New Zealand and welcome their condemnation of the terrorist actions. I would remind you, Mr President, and members of your faith of the words of Surah 11 verses 83 and 84 in the Holy Koran which say 83. “And remember we took a covenant from the children of Israel to this effect; Worship none but ALLAH, treat with kindness your parents and kindred, and orphans and those in need, speak fair to the people, be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity. Then did ye turn back, except a few among you backslide even now”
    and 84 ” And remember we took this covenant to this effect: Shed no blood amongst you, nor turn out your own people from your homes: And this ye solemnly ratified, and in this ye can bear witness.” I could go on and quote much more from Surah II of the Holy Koran which identify the place of the peoples of Israel and the words of the prophet Moses which enjoin Muslims to respect the believers of the Jewish scriptures, Christians and Sabians and not shed their blood. However, despite your words of condemnation of the terrorists in France and the Lebanon, you do refrain from reminding your congregation of the words of the Holy Koran relating to Israel. Can you undertake to publicly state that you will encourage Muslims in New Zealand to actively seek out out and identify any potential terrorists and activists amongst your community and identify them to the forces of law in New Zealand for the benefit of all. I challenge you to adhere to the Covenant from the one and only God whom you call ALLAH.

  4. kiwi guy

     /  16th November 2015

    Pete is in full damage control.

    Pete and his sort have cheer-leaded mass immigration into the West from the ME.

    Pete needs to answer the question:

    Has the blood spilt so far on the streets of Western Europe been worth the sacrifice for “Multiculturalism” and “Diversity”.

    If so how much more blood is Pete and his crowd willing to see run in order to uphold their cherished so called “Multiculturalism” and “Diversity”?

    • “Pete and his sort have cheer-leaded mass immigration into the West from the ME.”

      That’s false.

      KG – do you think a wall should be built around Europe and all Western countries with cultural filter imposed?

      • kiwi guy

         /  16th November 2015

        Hmmm, once upon a time the Chinese built a really BIG wall and the Europeans didn’t.

        Guess which civilisation got a major arse raping by the Mongols?

        Europe already has “walls” it just needs to enforce them. Austria for example isn’t mucking around, and its society has not been white anted enough by their equivalent of The Standard type crowd.

        I said when this latest attack hit the headlines that the pro mass migration/refugee crowd would go straight into full on damaged control.

        I have been proven right.

        • Mefrostate

           /  16th November 2015

          “I said when this latest attack hit the headlines that the pro mass migration/refugee crowd would go straight into full on damaged control.”

          Damage control has been a necessary counter-balance to the gleeful ‘we-told-you-so’s and war-warmongering from the anti-refugee/Muslim crowd.

          • kiwi guy

             /  16th November 2015

            No, you’ve gone into damage control because your crowd has lead us all into this, after lying about how absolutely fabulous “Multiculturalism” and “Diversity” are and shutting down dissent by screaming ‘raaaycisssss!”.

            • Mefrostate

               /  16th November 2015

              For some reason you seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is in some form of coordinated group deliberately lying to you (to what end I’m not sure). This seems to meet the definition of a persecution complex.

              Consider this: I’m an individual forming my own genuine opinions on the basis of the information available to me. I’m happy to debate any specific opinion any time I express it, but you jumping in and wailing about “Pete and his sort” and “your crowd” is a disingenuous way of trying to prove your own views correct.

        • Goldie

           /  16th November 2015

          Kiwi Guy: “Hmmm, once upon a time the Chinese built a really BIG wall and the Europeans didn’t. Guess which civilisation got a major arse raping by the Mongols?”

          The Chinese.

          • Correct Goldie… the Yuan dynasty which ruled China was establish by Genghis’ grandson Kublai and the Yuan ruled all of China for just over a hundred years…… so yip the Chinese bore the brunt… and the Wall/s prove of little value..

  5. kiwi guy

     /  16th November 2015

    The image Slater uses is very appropriate because he is directly addressing the hypocrisy of the NZ muslims acting out over the Paris attacks but silent for weeks while Jews get stabbed to death in the streets.

    • KG, I perceive some truth in your assertion of Muslim selectivity and, first acknowledging my ignorance of the Koran, I think bjmarsh1 your challenge is both intelligent and quite appropriate. Ѱ

  6. kiwi guy

     /  16th November 2015

    Here we go:

    “Report: Terrorist Was RESCUED from ‘Refugee’ Boat”

    One of the terrorists involved in the horrific attacks in Paris on Friday evening was reportedly rescued by Greek authorities from a refugee boat that sank off the coast of Greece last month.

    The UK Mirror, citing Serbian and Greek media sources, says that 25-year-old Ahmed Almuhamed and another family member were rescued October 3. They were processed as refugees, but there had been no way to verify whether their identity documents were real. They were transferred to another vessel and continued their journey.

    CNN reported Sunday morning on Fareed Zakaria: GPS that at least one, and as many as three, of the terrorists in the attacks reached Europe among the flood of Syrian “refugees.” CNN’s Clarissa Ward reported:

    …it now appears that as many as three attackers possibly posed as refugees, gaining access into Europe on the refugee route going from Syria into Turkey, then on to the Greek island of Leros, and then from there on through countries–Serbia, Croatia and into Central Europe. It’s believed that at least one was traveling on what was most probably a fake Syrian passport but there’s also talk about two fake turkish passports–ISIS here really exploiting this refugee crisis.

    Update: Breitbart News has reported that at least two terrorists are now confirmed to have entered Europe as “refugees.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/15/report-terrorist-was-rescued-from-refugee-boat/

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  16th November 2015

      so your point is what?

      Two terrorists who entered Europe amongst over 4,000,000 refugees from Syria alone?

      That’s 1 in 2 million

  7. Brown

     /  16th November 2015

    It seems that liberals have their head in the sand about how the Quran is structured, why Islam pinched some stuff from the OT Bible and how woolly the Quran is generally. Until the Muslims front up to debate this with smart historians and theologians we are just arguing about how long until we get the knife. The view of a “good” Muslim (shabby by civilised standards) is that this violent behaviour is fine because the prophet commands it – you do what the book says to do. Why the secular world can’t grasp this is lost on me. People who take the teaching seriously (devout Muslims) have no place in the West.

    • Gotta say, though I’m not a Bible scholar, I reckon if we could look at it objectively we’d see the Bible is as woolly as the Quran. I’m not a Christian and largely abhor Church religions inimical to life, however I go along with most of what Jesus is reported as saying in “Sermon on the Mount”, (contradicted elsewhere I believe), especially Matthew 5 -7, 38 – 48, namely Eye for Eye and Love for Enemies. Even my own ‘Natural Ethics’ upholds self-defence, but the Nazarene had obviously worked it out, that resistance only escalates things, and escalation never, ever, ever ends. He is the only prophet I know of to proclaim this, THE ONLY ONE! The only ‘Son of God’? The only ‘Issue of Reality’? (And please believe me, I DO NOT worship him). The apocalyptic 20th Century testifies to the truth of his teaching though, along with each and every century before it, as do these current affairs.
      Ѱ How far left is this!?
      Anyway, that said, the escalation has already begun and it’s exactly what ISIS wants …

    • 4077th

       /  16th November 2015

      Anyone, and I mean anyone who uses a book of fairytales as a mantra for life is asleep at the wheel of their own vehicle IMHO. Inflammatory or not much loss of life has come about because of it then and now.

  8. Conspiratoor

     /  16th November 2015

    Slater fills a lot of pages on blogs that feed off him and in my view some of the ridicule is justified

    But Pete you appear to be strong on why slater is wrong headed but light when it comes to solutions. I understand you want to be a politician. That is a worthy goal. However good politicians are decisive. They have a view and hold fast to that view in the face of ridicule

    So tell me Pete what would you do about islamic terrorism? To be clear, young men brandishing guns, mowing down innocent civilians in the name of Allah. Would you as one commenter here suggested yesterday seek to ‘appease and negotiate’? Would you as Jeremy Corbyn suggested ‘invite Jihadi John down to the police station to give him a good talking to? Or would you deliver an asymmetric response that risked mass civilian deaths? Boots on the ground? Or more of the same, precision strikes

    Tell us Pete what you really think. How would you fix this?

    • ” I understand you want to be a politician.”

      Why? I have no intention of being a politician.

      “So tell me Pete what would you do about islamic terrorism?”:

      I wouldn’t do anything personally. I hope that the superpowers and supporting countries will do enough to contain it as much as possible, but terrorism will never be eradicated unless Earth is eradicated.

      “Would you as one commenter here suggested yesterday seek to ‘appease and negotiate’?”

      Negotiating always has to be an option. Even wars end up with negotiations after they are finished with the death and destruction.

      “Appease” is quite different to negotiate. Do I try and appease you? Or do I stand up to you?

      No one can “fix”this”. There’s a variety of imperfect ways of addressing it with a minumum of harm to innocent peoeple being an important consideration.

      Would you prefer to wipe out masses of people you deem to be some sort of risk?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  16th November 2015

        You have no intention of being a politician? Apologies I mistook you for Pete George the aspiring united future mp and mayoral candidate.
        That aside you don’t have to be the leader of the free world to hold a view. Hoping the superpowers will contain it is good but I was more interested in your views on how this could be contained.
        I’ll put you down for negotiation and a variety of as yet unspecified ‘imperfect ways’ as long as they don’t hurt innocent people

        • You mistook the past for the present. You seem to assume far too much with out of date or no facts.

          I’ve already posted about a French ‘imperfect way’, bomb strikes in Syria. I don’t blame them for that.

          I note that you haven’t answered my question nor offered any solutions.

          • Conspiratoor

             /  16th November 2015

            Oh I see, you did want to be a politician but now you don’t want to be a politician at this point in time.. Sounds like the good folks of Dunedin dodged a bullet
            Like slater my position is a clear albeit unpopular one. However one that I believe will gather momentum in the coming months. The civilised world is in a global struggle against an enemy within. In terms of ISIS however asymmetric warfare must be waged with all the technology and explosive power the west can muster. And that will inevitably cost a huge number of innocent lives.

            • Mike C

               /  16th November 2015

              @Conspirator

              “Unpopular” would be a huge under statement 🙂

  9. Brown

     /  16th November 2015

    ”Would you prefer to wipe out masses of people you deem to be some sort of risk?” asks Pete.

    Not really but when an ISIS flagged tank rolls down a suburban street or past a market in daylight I suggest the locals piss off and hide because a precision bit of whoopass is heading your way. In WW2 the Germans couldn’t move much by day after D Day because at the first sign of movement the fighter bombers were overhead. The French civilians paid a high price from the fighting and they were the good guys. I regret innocent deaths but we need to win this war and you can make it bloody unpleasant for the enemy. They are effectively partisans and not entitled to the consideration due a man in uniform.

  10. I have some ideas, only brainstorming and probably “fairy tales” and pipe dreams but mine nonetheless. 4077th, you jump to conclusions. I did say I “go along with” or “relate to” Jesus’ teachings. They’re not my mantra. I don’t worship him. I’m wide awake.
    I favour diplomacy, but militarily, first, give the United Nations real global security powers.
    Way back in 1940-41 my ethician friend Frank E Warner wrote, “Humanity requires an organisation as a whole … but not a super-State … the total organisation may only go so far as is required for the good of all. Everything else is left to the State …” Clearly there is a “good of all” issue with ISIS. Syria too for that matter.
    Yes, I guess I am saying nations should cede an element of their sovereignty to that global body. How else? A sufficient majority will be enough to establish a truly multi-national force that will act quickly and decisively anywhere on earth. As I understand it there are 193 nations. Get 150 of them onboard? Had something like this been in place already the Syrian situation would never have got to this.
    The same body, backed by its military authority, has comprehensive, meaningful and persuasive negotiating powers AND they use them HARD OUT! To the level agreed by the majority nations they interfere in domestic policy under the proviso “where international security is concerned”.
    Containment is a big part of the solution I predict. Surround the ISIS area, now effectively a ‘nation state’ straddling 4 countries (apparently), and cut off their supply lines. Facilitate evacuation of anybody they can ransom. If necessary destroy or disable their natural resources. Cut off their supply sources and prosecute the perpetrators of supplying them. Military action, while decisive, focuses on minimizing U.N. loss of life. Airstrikes and ground troops chip away at ISIL’s area in bytes and simultaneously leave them to destroy it themselves, which they appear to be very good at, fouling their own nests. Negotiate HARD! Look for diplomatic solutions that do not involve ‘total surrender’ and Versailles-type treaties. These only breed the next generation of terrorists, insurgents and frankly, partisans (as, for instance, many Palestinians consider themselves). Find out what they want, which is not the same as giving in to them. Do something international (or as near as we can get to it) REAL SOON! Right now I don’t have any thoughts about intra-nation security. Perhaps a U.N World Police force too?
    Also, remember The Cultural Revolution, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Rwanda, Croatia and all the other ‘genicides’ perpetrated since WW2, aside from remembering WW2, WW1 et al.
    This too shall pass. Ѱ

    • 4077th

       /  16th November 2015

      I have nothing to offer after that particular schooling..Very well said. I prefer far more simplistic measures that probably define me as having a fairly red neck. Diplomacy has done little in the past and I suspect similar results now and in the future.