Poll reactions

3 News released their latest Reid Research poll last night.  repeating the results:

  • National 46.7% (-0.6)
  • Labour 32.3% (-0.7)
  • Greens 10.2% (+0.2)
  • NZ First 7.5% (-0.4)
  • Maori Party 1.3% (+0.8)
  • Conservative Party 0.7% (0.2)
  • ACT Party 0.8% (+0.2)
  • UnitedFuture 0% (0)

There is no change of significance there, but that doesn’t stop part hopefuls reading positives and negatives into the result.

Te Reo Putake at The Standard: RWC and rapists: 3 News poll confirms a pretty average week for Key.

The latest Reid Research/3News poll is out. Key gets nothing from the RWC, and the rapist remarks turn out not to have helped his popularity either. There was a time when talkback radio style outbursts used to make him look strong. Nowadays, not so much. Meanwhile, the opposition are just 1 seat behind …

Anthony Robins at The Standard: Key’s rapists attack a dead cat that keeps biting

Was Key’s bizarre rant in Parliament – accusing Labour of supporting rapists and murderers – a deliberate “dead cat” strategy? If so then it has backfired badly. Still in the headlines 2 weeks later, and probably costing him in the polls.

I wonder what they woukld have said if the poll had changed support levels.

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40 Comments

  1. kiwi guy

     /  23rd November 2015

    The Cultural Marxists at The Standard can’t handle the fact that NZ isn’t buying into their “Rape Culture” hysteria.

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    • Mefrostate

       /  23rd November 2015

      What’s your point, kiwi guy? Whatever it is, perhaps you should make it instead of calling people names, minimising their views, and all without posting an actual link to the subject post.

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      • kiwi guy

         /  23rd November 2015

        “without posting an actual link to the subject post.”

        The links are already provided in the article above if you bothered to read it.

        “perhaps you should make it instead of calling people names”

        They are Cultural Marxists, unless you want to share your explanation about which political philosophy the New Left or Progressives derive their ideology from.

        Rape hysteria is the OM of feminists/manhaters since the Lesbians hijacked the movement back in the 1970s. “Rape Culture” is a propaganda tool invented by the radical Lesbian feminist Susan Brownmiller – research her infamous propaganda tract “Against Our Will”.

        I am sick of tired of posters on here coming to the defense of Feminist ideology who have absolutely no clue about the subject beyond dumbed down political slogans.

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        • jaspa

           /  23rd November 2015

          An interesting study. “Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?”

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

          “The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. […] Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.”

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          • kiwi guy

             /  23rd November 2015

            LOL, you need to educate yourself on the topic of “Advocacy Research”.

            I still laugh at a “study” that was doing the rounds during the pro gay marriage propaganda project claiming lesbians made superior parents to heterosexual couples.

            The homosexual activists are always spouting such nonsense.

            Meanwhile HIV, hepatitis, syphillis and every other STD under the sun is raging in the homosexual population.

            Massive levels of drug use too.

            But you Jaspa will turn a blind eye to that won’t you?

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            • jaspa

               /  23rd November 2015

              Nice list of red herrings, kiwi guy. 😉

            • kiwi guy

               /  23rd November 2015

              Keep turning a blind eye, jaspa. 😉

            • jaspa

               /  23rd November 2015

              I don’t turn a blind eye to homosexual people, kiwi guy; they just don’t arouse that much interest in me. 🙂

            • kiwi guy

               /  23rd November 2015

              “I don’t turn a blind eye to homosexual people, kiwi guy; they just don’t arouse that much interest in me. ”

              Jaspa, claiming that anyone who disagrees with homosexual activists must really be a homosexual too, is typical Progressive propaganda, and frankly very childish.

              But that’s typical.

              Again, please educate yourself on the term “advocacy research”.:)

            • jamie

               /  23rd November 2015

              “claiming that anyone who disagrees with homosexual activists must really be a homosexual too, is typical Progressive propaganda, and frankly very childish.”

              I agree with that kiwi_guy. But what you do goes so much further than disagreement. You certainly aren’t content to agree to disagree. It’s an obsession for you, every day posting this stuff.

              Given your extremely heightened level of interest it’s a legitimate question to wonder why you’re so drawn to homosexuality.

            • jaspa

               /  23rd November 2015

              I never claimed any such thing. I shared what I thought was an interesting piece of research.

        • traveller

           /  23rd November 2015

          If I was a tactician on the left I would be asking these questions.

          *How appalling is the lack of effective dialogue and advancement of NZ citizen’s rights in Australia?

          *How much is NZ really being pushed around by the ever-changing PM bullies across the ditch?

          I’d be thinking to myself that highlighting these facts might make John Key look like a hail fellow, well-met puppet of Malcolm and Tony.

          Even worse than not capitalising on any advances they were making over the detainee’s/refugee’s situation was that they effectively politicised and trivialised “rape culture” also.

          All these issues could have been elevated to a national conversation, instead they were just wasted by these people.

          How do they manage to snatch defeat fro the jaws of victory so often?

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        • Mefrostate

           /  23rd November 2015

          “I am sick of tired of posters on here coming to the defense of Feminist ideology who have absolutely no clue about the subject beyond dumbed down political slogans.”

          Equally, you frequently engage in attacks on ideologies (feminist, progressives, liberals, homosexual rights, etc) with equally baseless dumbed down political slogans (case in point, your oversimplified M&M analogy we’re discussing elsewhere).

          I freely admit that I don’t know much about the history of ideologies (I tend to assess individual issues on its merits rather than its personalities), so why don’t you actually set about educating us when you’re posting on a subject? When you sink to using pejorative names and air quotes to ridicule the views of those at The Standard you essentially sink to the exact level you’re accusing them of.

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    • why bother

       /  23rd November 2015

      yes it’s true
      Political correctness will be the death of free speech and free thought

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  2. traveller

     /  23rd November 2015

    Are TRP and Robins on something? How do they translate years of miniscules poll changes at 3% less than the margin of error as anything but an absolute lack of cut through for Labour. The consistency of the PM’s ratings and support for National seems almost unassailable. I’m not suggesting complacency or laurel resting for the centre right yet, but Robins in particular is quite unable to understand the degree to which the left are failing, both to be an effective opposition, and even more importantly, in looking like a credible Govt in waiting. The Standard is a yawn and whinge fest these days, with Robins sounding more miffed and shrill as each OCDesque and pithy post is aired.

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  3. I hope Labour goes bankrupt and closes shop, redistribute that 30% to NZ First and the Greens please and thank you. Despite Winnies Grandstanding, he was(unexpectedly) really good as Foreign minister and well regarded by his peers internationally, the rest of his party I don’t much care for though, a certain Shane Jones could help on that front.

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  4. The commentary from the Left doesn’t change, the polls don’t change, the situation isn’t really changing.

    The next election on the numbers will be decided by 2 things:

    1 – will the NZ First vote hold up at current levels
    2 – will the Maori Party survive

    Labour on these numbers would go very close to a government with support from their lapdogs the Greens and with Winston First, especially if Labour can unseat Flavell and tip the Maori Party out of parliament [assuming no other Maori Party MP gets up in an electorate]

    Nationals position as first party is strong, but their ability to govern is on a knife edge a few percent from NAts to Labour and Little is a real possibility even if in a pretty unstable coalition with NZF and the Greens disliking each other so much…

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    • Sherrif

       /  23rd November 2015

      This is as close to a no-change poll as you could possibly get. What are TV3 smoking?

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  5. Loki

     /  23rd November 2015

    Sigh.
    The talk of a Lab/green/nzf coalition is never EVER going to happen
    Winston has already done the deal with National
    He will go mid term to a high profile English speaking Ambassadorship and Shane Jones will be gifted the Northland seat as a NZF MP. And probably leader too.
    We have at least two more terms of a national led govt to look forward too.

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    • kiwi guy

       /  23rd November 2015

      I’m not looking forward to it, but its better than the alternative – Progressivism is probably the number one threat to Western Civilisation now:

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    • Probably Loki Winston will go with National due to his antipathy towards the Greens.

      But that’s a bold statement its all sign up already… anything but your own opinion behind that?

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      • Loki

         /  23rd November 2015

        Yes.
        The deal is done.
        Peters wants a senior ministerial position (one that requires travel and nil effort) it has been agreed. And Jones is parked in a fat earn with an endless holiday until hand over.

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        • So that scenario has been pushed around for a quite awhile including before the last general election. Think I pushed it about as an idea on kiwiblog quite some time ago…..

          So its still just an idea as you have don’t nothing but repeat a concept that’s been doing the rounds for quite awhile

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        • kittycatkin

           /  23rd November 2015

          He’ll be lucky. The idea that such posts exist is a myth, going by the hours that the Ministers I have known put in-and they were senior ones, with great prestige and work to match.The travel is work related, not jaunts to exotic places.

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    • why bother

       /  23rd November 2015

      Better take another look in your crystal ball loki
      Winston is making lots of new friends up in the North
      he is seeing things minus the blue hue
      Learnt first hand how his constituents have been dismissed as bludging beneficiaries blah blah but in reality have strong entrepreneurial and work skills.

      Shane Jones and his predilection to things sexual has dampened his popularity in the North forever and what about the out of work Kaeo sea food workers and their families,
      will they forgive him for standing by and letting a major employer in the North close down, forcing them to either go on the dole or move to Auckland to find work and both fracture the family unit once a bloody gain.
      shane ……Its about the people the people the people
      not the dollar the dollar the dollar

      loki as for your attempt at a joke in your last sentence yep I laughed for ages
      now I am just left wondering what sort of life will my great great grandchildren will have
      if I have them, if national do govern for 5 terms of office, what would be left.

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    • I for one will throw my votes at David Seymour and ACT. Closest to my values.

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  6. Again no stats for ALCP ! 😦
    in 2014; party vote was higher than U/F & Act.. usually just in ‘others’.. why is this so ?

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    • The real threat perhaps? The liquor lobby? As you know, along with ALCP goes a whole raft of freedom thinking, open-mindedness, individual rights assertion, legal rationalisation, social justice and self-acquired intelligence. This is really scarey stuff for the pole stampers at the Lodge; they who ‘know’ they have the best interests of humanity at heart, in an oddly Gloriavale sort of way …

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  7. Timoti

     /  23rd November 2015

    You have to give it to Key. Any other PM would have been toast given the controversies surrounding him and National. But nothing seems to move the public regarding Keys popularity. I wonder if the Left will become psychologically unwell should National win 4, maybe 5 terms. Going by the rants of what’s left of 3news posters, the madness has began. On the flip side, what will National be without Key? I can only see Bennett as the
    successor, but she rubs voter up the wrong way.

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    • Timoti… the derangement happened along time ago…. and why would anyone inflict the TV3news comments section on themselves? That place would be better hosted at Sunnyside..

      Bennett is the best of the current high profile crop, but remember Key only arrived in Parliament shortly before being made Leader. The current future leader for National may well not be in the House at the moment

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      • Timoti

         /  24th November 2015

        I admit to being a sadist for awhile amongst the Sunnyside inmates…I mean patients.
        People talk of Boag being a cheerl eader for the Right. She had nothing on those nutters.

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    • Reluctantly I agree, Key should be toast ten times over but Kiwis appear to love theirs burnt to a crisp. The bigger the Precariat gets the larger the support for alternatives will be, though it is possible Labour won’t survive as such. We only have to go back to 1936 to find the amalgamation of Liberal/Reform/United parties into National, presumably in response to Labour’s 1935 election win. Something like this is probably years overdue on the centre-left.
      The word “Labour” is outdated, not well descriptive of or appealing to the Precariat’s low-waged piece-workers and beneficiaries, youth, adult and nearing retirement, with our cars, cards, ipods, smartphones and tablets.
      There’s a branding challenge? So many words are already weighted like a mobster due for a swim. Progressive. Liberal. Reform. Anything “Social”. Labour’s new name must be appealing: Advance NZ? My NZ? Smart NZ? KiwiSmart? Go Forward? Could be an interesting competition to run?
      The objective: Turn the Precariat into a Proactariat.

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      • Any use of the word Smart in a new name for Labour would be a marketing blunder……. just look at their front bench and you will see few smarts.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  24th November 2015

        A prerequisite for branding is to figure out what you stand for. Labour hasn’t a clue, other than a desire for power obtained by giving other people’s money to anyone who will vote for them.

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        • I really must get me some of that! You get paid to vote for them?
          I wonder if any of the other parties will pay more for me NOT to vote for them?
          Need to think me up a strategy for this … I’m available to vote for the highest bidder.
          Gotta get me a ‘lid’ of that ‘stockings’ mentioned elsewhere …

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