Whale Oil connections

A week ago a post appeared on Lauda Finem that revealed substantial personal and family information about a regular commenter here, ‘Mike C’.

This may have seemed “out of the blue” to some people but it obviously would have taken someone some time to trawl the Internet to source the material. It’s really quite creepy. The same sort of thing has happened to me.

It’s possible this despicable personal attack is the result of a long standing grudge. On a post here  to the Lauda Finem post Mike C commented:

However … [Deleted as per court order] stepped over the line by putting photos and information about my extended family members in the Lauda Finem post.

And for that … I will never forgive [Deleted as per court order] and the Brothers and Belt and Juana.

End of Story

It may or may not have been [Deleted as per court order] who actually did the post but he’s a part of this group – and he was the first to draw attention to the post by putting a link to it in a retaliatory comment. It seemed at the time that he threw a hissy at Mike C, hit the post button at Lauda Finem and then linked to it, but it may have been a ‘Team LF’ effort.

Last year Mike C was a regular commenter on Whale Oil, but apparently fell foul of Cameron Slater, Pete Belt and Juana Atkins (Slater’s wife). I don’t know details and most of this has probably been deleted off Whale Oil. Like many people Mike C was banned from Whale Oil, and then started commenting here at Your NZ.

Mike C has been a critic of Whale Oil and those involved there, and also of the Nottingham cabal. Both groups are closely related and have  records of choosing targets based on very little (sometimes they attack totally innocent people as @Laudafinem did in the weekend).

Some of contents of the Lauda Finem post certainly look to have been at least tipped off by a person or persons with far more than a blog observer’s knowledge.

Mike C also commented:

I never had any bone to pick with the Brothers Grimm and [Deleted as per court order] at Lauda Finem until they began attacking this Blog several months ago.

My mention of Juana Slater is valid … because she wrote my full birth name in here a couple of months ago.

Slaters Wife is part of this entire equation … I can assure you 🙂

It is correct that Juana (Atkins, who comments and authors as Spanish Bride) had already outed Mike C. It happened here:

Mike C

October 2, 2015  / 6:55 pm
Belt should be worried about what people can dig up and publish about him 🙂

spanishbride

 /  October 3, 2015  / 1:18 pm
[Edited – I initially held this comment aside until I had time to deal with it properly,Spanish Bride, what you did is dirty, as anyone who is familiar with how blogs operate would well know. You may do things dirty at Whale Oil, that’s your choice, but it’s not acceptable here.

What Cameron, and others, and now obviously you, seem to do is dish the dirt out in big dollops but if anyone challenges you on it you react badly and instead of addressing criticisms you resort to attacking those who criticise. If you can’t take criticism I suggest you give up blogging.PG]

It was a provocative comment from Mike C but it didn’t deserve that sort of response from Atkins.

I deleted the details but have a copy of what Atkins posted as evidence. That looks to have been done with calculated retaliatory and malicious intent.

It wouldn’t be hard to see Belt as being complicit in that hit.

And from October 3 to last week would give someone or some people enough time to trawl the ‘Net and dredge up extensive personal details of someone in preparation for a Lauda Finem hit job.

[Deleted as per court order]  is known to work closely with Slater on some things. Last week’s Court of Appeal judgment shows an obvious relationship between Slater and [Deleted as per court order]in the claimed defamation by Matthew Blomfield, and  I’ve seen some vile stuff in other court documents involving the two of them.

This adds weight to the view of quite a few people that Lauda Finem has been used by Slater and co as a means of dishing dirt that is too nasty (if that’s possible), too legally risky or too financially risky to post at Whale Oil.

They seem to be a very spiteful and vengeful bunch.

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73 Comments

  1. Max

     /  24th November 2015

    If you think Mike C is an overall credit to this place then I’m not sure what you are trying to build here. You are the Lord of the Dregs. This blog is spiraling down and you equate what’s been happening with progress. Another wooly Whaleoil post trip generate outrage from the same old group of people speculating and having no proof that I can see. So Juana Slater left a message you had to delete. [Edited per court order]had clearly been here making a mess on a daily basis and LF are giving you shit elsewhere. And you want to put all this at Cameron Slater’s feet? We more have a daily post with language like it is but it might also not be, it’s likely, and it wouldn’t surprise you ifs, but other than speculation you’ve ordered nothing that actually explains any of it. These posts are nothing but a car wreck that everyone comes to gawk at. So you think it’s a good idea to provide your readers with a daily crash to congregate around. It’s this all about clicks? At least then it works have some consistent aim. Because true alternative explanation is that you are in a incoherent rage hitting out at what you can see but you have no real idea why.

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    • I’m not in a rage of any sort, far from it. That’s an ironic claim given the reactions to sunlight on their shoddy behaviour.

      Perhaps you don’t understand what polite, very determined exposure looks like.

      The car wreck is elsewhere, and it doesn’t like onlookers as your comment proves.

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    • FarmerPete

       /  24th November 2015

      There is a degree of tolerance here that is missing at The Standard and at WhaleOil. That is very appealing. The cost is that sometimes we all have to put up with people who want to push their own agendas and who are also not very scrupulous. This can be very tiresome. I am a crusty old barstard, and my patience would have been well gone by now, but it is a credit to this blog that Pete operates out in the open.
      For the benefit of Pro Bono and others, there are quite a few of us here who have turned our backs on WO and who initially probably wanted to vent. In my case mostly because I was duped into believing Slater was something he wasn’t – a man of character, plain speaking and courageous. We now all know he is very the antithesis of this. His behaviour and the way he conducts his blog have revealed him to be a devious, and deceitful bully who promotes others opinions as his own. His methods are so egregious that it casts doubt on every opinion piece he has written. He uses his blog as a vindictive tool to inflict pain and hurt, often, on people who are unable to respond.
      Whilst I don’t like the internecine nature of the things Pete is outlining I understand his need to do so. I will probably follow proceedings but not with rapt attention to detail.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  24th November 2015

      Agreed. Having observed Mike C’s chirping for a while I can understand why she has been bundled off the WO blog. I posted a similar sentiment on the Pro Bono post. It’s all slater’s fault and if it’s not he must be in there somewhere so he’s guilty by association. What little I know of slater’s mindset though he will not be losing a lot of sleep over anything said here. More likely to be having a quiet chuckle

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  2. Farmerpete

     /  24th November 2015

    I must confess that I have found the ‘blog wars’ unappealing, but I am struggling to comprehend the barely concealed anger in your comments. The middle portion was not reaslly comprehensible, so I have to ask – what has got you so agitated?

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    • Yes, I find them, unappealing too. But less appealing to me is ducking for cover and letting the dirt continue unopposed.

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    • Farmerpete if you were done over by Lauda Finem as Mike C was as a result of something you said here I’d be angry about that too.

      I don’t care what happened at Whale Oil between Mike C and them. That’s history and has got nothing to do with me.

      I’m addressing what has happened as a result of whagt has happened here.

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      • FarmerPete

         /  24th November 2015

        Pete, just to clarify, my comment was directed at Max. It was him (or her, you never know these days!) who I was suggesting was angry.

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        • kittycatkin

           /  24th November 2015

          I can’t see Mike’s comment as provocative-it wasn’t in any way suggesting that she was going to do it or incite someone to do it. It seems to me to be a throw-away line rather than a threat and the reaction was a gross over-reaction.

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          • kittycatkin

             /  24th November 2015

            I’d expect someone who was serious about this to indicate that they actually knew something. This is so vague that it doesn’t sound like a threat, more of a well, throw-away remark as I said rather than like something definite. If anything was meant by it, I’d have expected something like ‘There’s something about you that you probably would rather people didn’t know; I’d be careful, if I were you.’

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  3. I’d also like to point the ranting ‘open letter’ done by ‘Mike C’ aka this, that and all the other names, is riddled with inaccuracies from start to finish. Another bullshit charade designed to mislead people. She accused me of revealing her real name in public, which is a blatant lie. I revealed ANOTHER fake name and pointed out how all the other identities were linked to the same person posing as many.

    Of course, I will retract this statement if proof is found that I publicly stated you were F*******a H*******n.

    That’s going to be a tough one though, since I didn’t actually know until the LF post.

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    • Pro Bono

       /  24th November 2015

      Pete George has let her/”Mike C” roam free here and allowed to make wild statements about people on an almost daily basis. He posts there is only to be one account per person, and he damn well knows Mike C is operating a number of them. He is complicit in all this by acting against people he doesn’t like but lets Mike C run amok. They are like a tag team. Some of the hit pieces are clearly not George’s own work. I won’t speculate as to their source, but I have my ideas. Here’s my theory on how this all came about:: Mike C got booted from Whale Oil and has teamed up with George to attack them on an almost daily basis, mostly unprovoked, especially for the first many months. Then when they get unwanted attention from [Deleted as per court order], Nottingham and Lauda Finem they suddenly cry foul and pretend they are the victim here. I’m not buying it. There is something that can’t be said due to court orders that is happening between George and someone that has nothing to do with Whale Oil, yet he is on a daily mission to try and prove there is some link.

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      • This comment by Pro Bono has a number of false claims. I have responded in a separate post.

        https://yournz.org/2015/11/24/response-topro-bono/

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      • Gazza

         /  24th November 2015

        Pete G and Mike C have been kicking Slater in the shins for over a year and now the are surprised they are getting some pushback? You got to give the fat blob some credit here, he’s nowhere near this personally and Georgie Pie is unable to find any hard proof. LOL.

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        • How do you know he is nowhere near this personally?

          Are you trying to say he is nowhere near Spanish Bride personally?

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          • Kevin

             /  24th November 2015

            My own opinion is that blog politics should be left behind the scenes and to Twitter. I mean WO has never on their blog mentioned this blog and only mentioned your name once, that I can recall. And that’s how it should be.

            In contrast LF made a big mistake posting those hit pieces on you and MikeC It was amateurish and made them look like vindictive asses and did nothing but give critic ammunition.

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          • Blair

             /  24th November 2015

            Prove it then. Stop making accusations. Where is your proof Slater is driving all of this? I’m frankly (hahahahaha!) waiting for the smoking gun and all I see is you going round in circles. Do you know or suspect? If you know, tell us what exactly makes Slater the person that all this needs to be blamed on. You yourself said that this has been a Nottingham/[Deleted as per court order]thing from the get-go. So where does Slater come in. Poop or get off the pot George.

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            • FarmerPete

               /  24th November 2015

              I don’t know if Slater is behind this or not. I do know he is ‘dirty’ and therefore wouldn’t surprise me if he was behind it!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  24th November 2015

              There seems to be plenty of circumstantial evidence connecting this little nest of roaches including information sharing and coincidental postings.

              Just share and enjoy!

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  24th November 2015

          @Gazza

          whoa now fella, back the horse up a little… how many years has Slater been kicking everyone around him in the shins? Lemme answer that for you. Ever since he started WOBF he’s had a go at most everyone who crossed his horizon. And since he was cast out into the wilderness by his political sources (and Belt’s nihilistic moderation policy), he’s been packing a load more dislike for the world

          … “nowhere near this personally” …. of course it’s personal! That’s the measure of who Slater is. That’s what defines him

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    • sunlite

       /  24th November 2015

      I find your presence here interesting. Were you not a Whaleoil moderator at the time Frankie was strutting her stuff overthere?? So you will know why she was punted… and you had access to her multiple accounts on WO also, yes??? How about some sunlight, you clearly know more and your pretense that you only discovered it when LF exposed her is clearly fancifool…

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      • Yep I know why she was punted. Lauda Finem did a pretty good job at explaining why rather accurately too.

        For all other enquiries, please consult The Worlds Greatest Moderator Chimp as I no longer participate there.

        I’m banned from commenting there as well (well, not banned as such, but subject to moderation, to which my comments never make it through this process) but you know, first world problems and all that.

        I’m now personal friends with several former ‘oilers’ which have also been banned, but you don’t see them going on a jilted hate fest for over a year because they were banned from someone’s website.

        If I knew her real name as FH before the LF post then the burden of proof is on you.

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        • Mike D

           /  24th November 2015

          And yet, here you are. Piling in. We still don’t know why you were kicked to the kerb. You went hostile, but something clearly happened the public never saw. Because there it little difference between “FH” and you for coming here, both of you are bitching about Slater and Belt at every opportunity. Really odd that the bulk of this blogs supporters are WO insiders that clearly got turfed out and are very much not letting go, unlike your “friends”

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          • SteveRemmington

             /  24th November 2015

            I’d hardly say that Travdog comes here and bitches about Slater and Belt at “every opportunity” .

            I haven’t seen him on any blogs for over 12 months.

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            • Bloody good 12 months it was too heh

            • DaveG

               /  24th November 2015

              MikeD I suggest you do your own research and check some facts. Travdog was a good moderator on WO, and was both firm at times, but always fair. He was well liked, and most appreciated his work. He researched and wrote some good articles, and I for one would be happy to shout him dinner and drinks one evening. He is one of lifes good, and genuine blokes, so in my book, if he says this or that person is a nutter, then they are a nutter in my book, until they prove themselves otherwise.

              Oh, and general comment – i have raised this before, but anyone care t oget a simple two column piece of paper, and write down the number of articles where commentors bitch and moan about WO or LF, or [Deleted as per court order]……. Then the articles free of ANY WO, LF or [Deleted as per court order]comments.

              I rest my case.

            • Dave – if they stop coming here and trying to disrupt there will be a lot less need to talk about them. They don’t seem to have worked this put yet.

            • You know what’s funny Dave? Out of all the indiscriminate banning of readers that went on, I could probably count all the people I’ve banned over a couple of years on one hand, and I think most if not all of them were directly in response to the “west coast ferals” incident, Yet I am held to blame for the slash and burn approach to the readers, even though a few mates were caught up in it and campaigned hard to get a couple let back in. It was only a matter of time before they were banned again though, as weak reasons were ‘manufactured’ to get rid of them much to my dismay. I made some good mates out of it though, so it’s probably a win for both parties heh.

              By the way Dave, I’ll have the pork belly, and whatever you’re drinking.

          • That’s a great story. Does Mike F, G and H have any comment to add as well?

            You’ve obviously been asleep at the wheel, PG did a whole post about why I left at the time it happened surrounding a comment I made on this blog. The rest of you fanciful conspiracy theorists want there to be more to it, but there isn’t.

            The whole irony of people complaining about being banned from that blog is that they are too stupid to see that they’re better off for it.

            It’s always entertainment to see people come up with these conspiracies in their heads and start asserting it as fact.

            Almost as entertaining as the people that still think I was an ‘insider’. Considering what came out in DP was all news to me, the whole ‘insider’ comments have become a bit of a running gag.

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            • Mike C

               /  24th November 2015

              @TravDog

              Just for the record … I am NOT “Mike D” 🙂

              It’s obviously some body having a lend of ya. LOL.

            • It matters not whether it is you or not, the message remains the same.

            • Mike C

               /  24th November 2015

              @TravDog

              What message?

              Stop talking shit and in riddles.

            • Surely the rest of us can talk without you hijacking the thread with your pointless idiotic interjections.

            • Mike C

               /  24th November 2015

              @TravDog
              You accused me of being “Mike D”!!!

              Pretty sure that gives me the right to reply to you 🙂

            • My comment to “Mike D” wasnt relative to you, it was a statement in general, its not all about you. I wasn’t talking to you, for you, or about you. This is another fantasy concocted in your head. Move on to your other obsessions please, I find your responses tired, pointless and boring.

  4. If everyone just used their own name when posting………………(sighs resignedly).

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  24th November 2015

      And if everyone just played nicely with one another………………….

      And if the world wasn’t filled with liars, and cheats, and scumbags, and cockroaches……………..

      then maybe I’d feel more comfortable about using my own name. Until that time, Joe Bloggs I remain, just an average person, your typical Joe…

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    • Zedd

       /  24th November 2015

      @ST
      I totally disagree.. I use my ‘real name’ in the ‘real world’.. BUT my ‘cyber name’ in the ‘cyber world’ (the ‘Matrix’ is all around you.. NEO)

      btw; ‘Zedd’ is my ‘own name’… I GAVE it to myself 🙂 LOL

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      • kittycatkin

         /  24th November 2015

        Kittycatkin’s my own name, too. I am Mrs Catkin in real life, Ooops…..

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  5. Alan Wilkinson

     /  24th November 2015

    How many cockroaches in this thread? Time to splat a few more, I think PG.

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  6. Jeeves

     /  24th November 2015

    I recall, a long time ago, a guy I used to work for had a bit of a nervous breakdown-marriage gone to pot- stressed out to the max- had to lose his job- he couldn’t function. I was relieved, because he was my boss and he was a bully- no real skills- just happened to be the prick holding the reins- and we were the workhorses getting flogged.
    Anyhow the police turned up while this was going on and started asking us about an ex employee- who apparently had left about a week after I started.
    It turned out this guy had been seriously harassing the boss day and night-and his family-and his friends-for months- non stop. And it broke him-and it broke his marriage ( I think the boss’ wife had a few secrets up her sleeve which his stalker discovered).

    But anyway- such is life- and things moved on.

    So one day I met a cop who had been involved- this is about three years later-and I said to him- WTF was all that about, and he laughed and told me a great little parable:

    The boss was a complete wanker.
    The worker was not.
    The boss bullied the worker to breaking point, and the worker resigned, stressed out.
    The boss had won the game.

    Suddenly there was a new game…

    The boss was no longer the boss.
    The worker was no longer serving under his rules.
    The worker was now a personal enemy.
    The worker had some new rules- that legally, without breaking a single law- he could fuck the bosses life up if he just put enough effort in.
    He had plenty of time.
    He had all the drive.

    And the ‘boss’ had none of the requisite skills to play the new game- because he had cost the worker all the worker had to lose. Dangerous days for a man with everything left to play for.

    So I said to the cop- so what’s the lesson?

    “Don’t be a bully- because sometimes your victims can turn out to be a lot more evil than you – and suddenly you aren’t the one writing the rules.”

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th November 2015

      Nice story, Jeeves. Though I suspect most bullies get away with it for quite a while their lives are not really worth living with everyone hating them anyway.

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    • Mike D

       /  24th November 2015

      If I’m following this correctly, you’re saying Pete George is more evil than Slater? LOL!

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      • Jeeves

         /  24th November 2015

        Never mentioned either of those players, so no, that’s not what I’m saying.
        I’m saying- “Don’t think the game you are good at is the only game in town”.

        I think Rawshark made that clear.

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    • Pete Kane

       /  24th November 2015

      Jeeves I think any of us that have accumulated a few decades on our ‘rap’ sheet have seen in one form or another pretty much what you have described (you tell a story well too).

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  7. Zedd

     /  24th November 2015

    @PG (cc MC)

    I quite like reading & commenting here.. BUT it is starting to sound like a ‘blogowar’ has broken out.. that I really don’t want to get caught up in :/
    take care y’all

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  24th November 2015

      Not a blog war. A rock got lifted and the cockroaches are running in all directions.

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      • Zedd

         /  24th November 2015

        “I see..” said the blind man ! 🙂

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        • kittycatkin

           /  24th November 2015

          My mother used to say that-or a slightly different version of it. ‘I see,’ said the blind man, ‘I see .’ Her mother said it, too.:D

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          • Mike C

             /  24th November 2015

            @Kitty

            My Papa Frank used to say when I was growing up:-

            “There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see”

            And my Dad still says it to this very day … just like I do 🙂

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            • DaveG

               /  24th November 2015

              Passes a mirror

            • Mike C

               /  24th November 2015

              @Dave

              … but did you look in it 🙂

            • kittycatkin

               /  24th November 2015

              My mother said ‘There are none so blind as he who will not see.’

              When a friend was in hospital, I fetched her a cup of tea, put sugar and milk in it, stirred it and took it over. I couldn’t resist saying ‘Do you want me to drink it for you ?’ She laughed her head off, as HER mother used to say that, too. (or ‘Do you want me to eat it for you ?”) Our mothers were a generation and a country apart, but they had some of the same sayings. 😀

    • Mike C

       /  24th November 2015

      @Zedd

      Please don’t leave … because you are the only “Solidly Left Person” I have respect for in here 😦

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      • Zedd

         /  24th November 2015

        @MC

        ???????? :/

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        • Mike C

           /  24th November 2015

          @Zedd

          That was a compliment ya fool … LOL 🙂

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          • @ Zedd Yeah we have lots of centre righties, I’m a centre leftie,and you are a solid left, as opposed to a flakey left…

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            • Mike C

               /  24th November 2015

              @Shane

              Your comments and posts here in Georges blog over the past six months or so have mostly been geared towards Medicinal Cannabis types of issues.

              Whereas … Zedd has always commented about a large variety of stuff ever since I arrived here 12 months or so ago 🙂

            • Absolutely, it is almost an obsession of mine, I make no bones about that.

  8. Abouttime

     /  24th November 2015

    I have an issue with anything whaleoil, from my perspective it “stinks”, I base my opinion on personal experience, “let there be light”

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    • Mike C

       /  24th November 2015

      @AboutTime

      I know first hand what Lauda Finem and Slater&Co have done to me 🙂

      Are you able to elaborate to a degree … on what WhaleOil has done to you … without disclosing your real identity?

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      • Abouttime

         /  24th November 2015

        yep i’m within this bunch, and still pissed off 😦 http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/tag/nz-fire-service/

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        • jamie

           /  24th November 2015

          A whole series of posts. I wonder who paid to have whaleoil attack the fire service?

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        • Mike C

           /  24th November 2015

          @AboutTime

          No recourse?

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  24th November 2015

            First, WO has no assets to pay damages. Second, the Fire Service is a non profit so difficult to show damage. Third, individual officers don’t have funds to sue and face the same hurdles.

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            • kittycatkin

               /  24th November 2015

              What a spiteful article-or the bit I read was, I couldn’t be bothered to read it all. It sounded most improbable. Two of my neighbours are volunteer firemen who turn out at all hours and in all weathers after they have finished their own work-one shot out at 5.45 this evening, I didn’t see the other go. These people deserve more respect than the article gives them.

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