Slater used Craig poem without permission

A bizarre twist in Colin Craig versus Cameron Slater – Craig has admitted he wrote a poem to his former press-secretary Rachel MacGregor but has invoiced Slater for publishing the poem without permission.

Stuff reports: Colin Craig claims $15,000 from Whale Oil blogger Cameron Slater for publication of ‘Two of Me’ poem

Colin Craig appears to have admitted a poem allegedly written for his former press-secretary Rachel MacGregor, is one of his original works.

He is now attempting to invoice WhaleOil blogger Cameron Slater $15,000 for it, after Slater published the leaked poem on his site.

In the latest twist of a drawn-out series of events, Craig is also demanding Slater retract the blog post, and “provide written apology to me for using my work without permission”.

In an email on Monday to Slater, Craig appeared to admit the poem was of his own pen, claiming a “copyright dispute”.

He said he “withdrawn” a “previous offer” and demanded payment of “$3000 per month for the display of my work to the public in clear breach of copyright”.

Slater, who copied media into the email exchange, responded by saying it was “the most bizarre email I have ever received.”

“Firstly there was never an offer to settle from you, just a list of demands with nothing in return.

“The irony of you now invoicing me for the Two of Me poem (which you originally alleged was a fabrication) from a company called Craig and Craig is comically genius.”

It’s hard to believe this saga could get any more bizarre.

 

 

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  1. I am only surprised that something like this (a breach of copyright dispute) has not happened sooner, with all the publishing of other people’s emails, and so on, that has been going on in New Zealand in recent times. It is probably a lot easier to prove than defamation and the like.
    Colin Craig is an odd bird for sure, but I think he may be on a winner with this one.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  25th November 2015

      Even Slater couldn’t lose this case. Hard to imagine how Craig could make himself look more foolish if he really tried. Obviously he is impossible to embarrass though so he will never know.

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      • But no court would deny that Colin Craig owns copyright in his own poem, and Slater published without permission. It seems cut and dried, (or am I missing something.? )

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  25th November 2015

          Yep. The poem was published to show Craig’s behaviour was in conflict with his political posture. No chance that will be a copyright breach.

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        • DaveG

           /  25th November 2015

          @belledejournz Lets not forget that CC denied writing the poem, as such no copyright could not have been infringed. I suggest he sue the writer, the one of him, that makes the 2 of him…..

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        • Kevin

           /  25th November 2015

          Fair use.

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          • kittycatkin

             /  25th November 2015

            This is NOT a poem. It’s a very bad imitation of one. The scansion is non-existent, as I remember. To anyone who knows English Literature, this appalling non-poem is painful to read.

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            • Bill Manhire says the poem’s not all bad, and not as bad as Cunliffe’s poem.

              NZ poet Bill Manhire on Colin Craig’s poem: ‘It’s not the worst

              New Zealand’s inaugural Poet Laureate, Bill Manhire says the poetry – penned by the former Conservative Party leader, which was allegedly written for his ex-press secretary Rachel MacGregor – is not the worst he’s ever seen.

              “It’s certainly better than David Cunliffe’s Harvard poem.”

              I think that’s debatable, but not worth debating.

            • kittycatkin

               /  25th November 2015

              ‘Not the worst’ isn’t the same as ‘not bad’. It’s probably not the worst I’ve ever read, either, but it’s very bad. It’s trite and badly written and is obviously unedited. Some people think that if it has short lines, it’s a poem.

            • I thought it was quite bad.

              And I’m sure if my wife found a poem like that in my pocket she would not be standing beside me at a press conference holding my hand.

            • kittycatkin

               /  25th November 2015

              It was awful. If my husband had written anything so bad and called it a poem, I’d have left him. I can’t think why CS has printed it when it’s very stale, whiskery old news and we’ve all seen it on the news ? times and, although I don’t remember its being in the papers, it probably was. It was a non-story when it was fresh and it’s a non-story now. It’s stale as a school bun.

          • Ratty

             /  25th November 2015

            APRA fees ?

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      • Ratty

         /  25th November 2015

        “Even Slater couldn’t lose this case”

        My belief is he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, will be 1-0 to Slater in the 89th minute, then a few own goals…

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  2. Kevin

     /  25th November 2015

    He must have realised the defamation suits weren’t going to fly and thought “Hey, what about copyright infringement?”

    And oh yeah, somebody should tell Craig about “fair use”.

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    • jamie

       /  26th November 2015

      I think that’s exactly what happened and agree it would come under fair use as far as I understand the concept. Does NZ copyright law actually have a fair use component though?

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  3. Colin Craig. What an absolute gimp that man is. Completely unaware of what a fool he is making of himself – and his bovine wife.

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    • Mefrostate

       /  25th November 2015

      Was the final comment really necessary?

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      • Yes it was. I have seen footage of the absurd press conferences and of the two fools standing there, it was difficult to tell which was the bigger.

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        • oldmantalking

           /  25th November 2015

          And she speaks so highly of you!

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        • DaveG

           /  25th November 2015

          I’m with you on that one SPC, she was out of the proceedings and carring on, and the world probably felt some pity for the poor wife, until ……… She stood there reading the scripted reply supporting her hubby, and allowed herself to be drawn into the scene. I recall watching her on the press conference, and WOW, what a rabbit in the headlights, totally out of her depths, but she has had several attempts to stand (foolishly) by her man. She is now fair game.

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          • Ben Rachinger

             /  25th November 2015

            That’s a really crappy thing to say. A woman standing by her man, or vice versa, is NOT responsible for her mans actions. I can’t believe you’d call her “fair game”. That’s so uncalled for. Play the ball. Mr Craig’s wife shouldn’t be brought into this man.

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            • Ben, tell that to Colin Craig. He brought her into it; utterly gormless, she parroted his lines for him. Those scenes are/were the very essence of a husband making a fool of his wife.

            • DaveG

               /  25th November 2015

              Ben, I seriously suggest you go back to th einterview, and read the responses on social media etc. She was the scorned wfe, whose husband had (to quote him) behaved innapropriately with another woman, ANOTHER WOMAN, now my belief, most other women would have felt some pity for her, and quielty wanted ot give CC a good kick in the (where it hurts). But then she comes out and supports him, it doesnt add up. Seriously, please go back, use your time and look at what the MSM were saying. It was quite pathetic.

              PS: I felt sorry for her, having a hubby such as CC, and dragging her through ongoing allegations, his behavious, etc etc, until she removed that by her statement.

            • Oh, and dude. Words are one thing when it comes to being crappy to women, actions, quite another. Remember that little ditty about sticks and stones; reputations, too, are made by actions more so than words.

            • Ben Rachinger

               /  25th November 2015

              The rehabilitation of a reputation starts with what with one can do and say.

              I choose to speak out against the needless bringing of Craig’s wife into your beef with him. You’re, of course, welcome to raise the past hypocrisy of my actions.

              I own it.

            • Mostly with what one does; but to present yourself as a protector of Mrs Craig’s virtue…too soon, man, too soon. And as I say, it was Colin himself who made her look a fool (and this is why people say of the cuckquean that she is made to look a fool).

            • Ben Rachinger

               /  25th November 2015

              That’s fair enough SPC.

            • I should maybe add, Ben, that although my comments may be acerbic or downright bordering on nasty, I bear you no ill will and wish you the best in sorting the issues you have. I too had major problems around your age, and by all accounts should have ended up being a criminal. Instead, I managed to turn it around and make something of my life – perhaps in a similar vein to what you are pursuing, as a professional writer in the IT industry.
              What helped me sort out my own brushes with the law and very dodgy choices was the help and support of exceptional friends (my parents are shit). That, and also facing up to what I had done and taking responsibility, which I think you are pretty clear about doing.
              So, all the best to you. And as Alan W has said, it isn’t about changing the PLACE, but sometimes changing the PEOPLE with whom you associate. Don’t leave NZ because of what’s happened here, because problems follow you. If you must leave, do it for the right reasons. Get the problems sorted and your reputation will take care of itself. Remember, also, a reputation is something which speaks for you even when you can’t – it doesn’t matter what others say of you, if you have a great reputation, it will look after you.

          • Perhaps ‘gormless fool’ would be a better description, though I can’t get the image of a docile, doe-eyed, simpering beast out of my head. Anyhoo, Colin wheeled her out as his shield, making her fair game.

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            • jamie

               /  25th November 2015

              I disagree that it makes her fair game. At worst she is a dupe in her husband’s game. You can attack him for “wheeling her out” without being nasty directly to her, surely.

            • Fair enough…have to admit though, that sort of simpering, vacuous idiot makes my skin crawl.

            • jamie

               /  25th November 2015

              I know what you mean, Sal.

            • DaveG

               /  25th November 2015

              Jamie, once she has been “wheeled out” she is open for scrutiny, in her actions, and in her statement. The media and others can think, who is she, and why is she supporting him, it happens the world over. Happy to debate it, but lets all watch the video of the interview.

              * She looked like a rabbit in the headlights
              * It was scripted and insincere
              * She didnt believe what she was saying
              * She claimed in words and actions, CC was a victim of others, no ownership again.

              I vividly recall, she was like a pitiful slow motion crash, whilst i do feel for her, putting up with CC, and constantly being a victim of his actions, it was not a convincing show.

              Now, im not criticising her as a woman, or the way she dresses, or her looks, or how she raised her kids, her religion, her cooking etc, I’m leaving all that out. But, her support for her Hubby has to be questioned, and the reasons for her support are misguided at best.

            • Ratty

               /  25th November 2015

              It has Sir Norman Fry written all over it… dragged into it ? yes, Fair Game ?…no way…

            • jamie

               /  25th November 2015

              Yeah I get that Alan, but scrutiny doesn’t equal nasty name-calling as happened above.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th November 2015

              @jamie – Oi, I have the copyright on “Alan” here to date!

            • jamie

               /  26th November 2015

              Oops sorry! It’s only because you’re wearing the same colour! 😀

            • kittycatkin

               /  25th November 2015

              Salacious….a quean is a prostitute.

              Here’s to the maiden of bashful fifteen,
              Here’s to the widow of fifty,
              Here’s to the flaunting, extravagant quean.
              And here’s to the housewife that’s thrifty.

              So let the toast pass-drink to the lass-
              I warrant she’ll prove an excuse for a glass.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  25th November 2015

              I suspect bashful fifteen is an historic relic, maiden or not.

            • kittycatkin

               /  25th November 2015

              Well, it’s Sheridan, so not very new.

              But be that as it may, a quean is still another name for a whore.

            • Salacious P Crumb

               /  26th November 2015

              Consider ‘quean’ an underused root. A cuckquean is merely the female equivalent of a cuckold.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  25th November 2015

            Being foolish, infatuated or weak and dependent doesn’t make her fair game, it makes you a bully.

            Ben is right on that though obviously not in a position to campaign on it.

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    • Loki

       /  25th November 2015

      It is not a crime to be a fool. Although if it were. Colin Craig would be on preventative detention.
      The Take down of Colin craig made good reading but what was the point. Other than Slater being a snide maggot by ruining a mans life.
      He didn’t like it up him when his weird affair with Debbie got some sunlight. Lucky for him his wife is as gullible as Craig’s
      I wonder if she would be as naive if the [please take care with insinuations – PG]

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      • Kevin

         /  25th November 2015

        Craig was leader of a conservative party portraying himself as godly family man when behind the scenes (at least allegedly) he was trying to get into his secretary’s knickers.

        I think that’s worth the public knowing about don’t you?

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  25th November 2015

          I bet he wouldn’t have tried to get into mine 😦

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          • One can’t imagine why not.

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          • oldmantalking

             /  25th November 2015

            I would, at my age you can’t afford to let a chance go by. opportunity seldom knocks these days.

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            • Nelly Smickers

               /  25th November 2015

              Funnily enough OMT, the last time some old bloke told me ‘he’d like to get into my pants’, I asked him “WHY”?

              He said, “because I’ve just shit mine” 🙂

            • Ah, the age of chivalry hasn’t yet passed….

            • kittycatkin

               /  25th November 2015

              I don’t believe that he was trying anything, I could well imagine that it went no further than sighing like a furnace and soppy looks.

      • Guest

         /  25th November 2015

        @Loki
        So if Slater is associated with LF, as many think, did he write the photo caption to describe himself in this post (he’d know best, I guess) http://www.laudafinem.com/2013/10/22/cameron-slater-and-his-very-own-harlot-two-screeching-witches-lose-precedent-setting-harassment-case/

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        • Methinks timelines are important here. Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

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        • Loki

           /  25th November 2015

          Good morning Juana, linking to a story that is almost three years old.
          Precious.
          Strange how things turn out isn’t it?
          Once openly mocked and now part of the “team”. You and the LF nutters.
          Oh how we all used to laugh at him behind his back when he was TELLING EVERYBODY about his rooting and how you were clueless.
          Now he needs you and the rest of the team to carry him through.
          Anyway, boarding now..
          Let’s see if I can drop something later that will see a river of scat explode in the Whaleoil panic room late this afternoon NZ time.

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        • Jeeves

           /  25th November 2015

          Or this… “Juana Atkins also said her cunt husband Cameron Slater has “no thought of the consequences for himself or others or indeed his family” when he makes his online attacks.” (LF-same url as above)

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      • Have to disagree strenuously here, Loki. Slater has not ruined Craig’s life, it is Craig who is assassinating himself.

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        • Loki

           /  25th November 2015

          I kind of agree. But never let an opportunity slip as they say.
          😄

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        • DaveG

           /  25th November 2015

          SPC, not only ruined his own life, but continues to add fuel to the fire. People in a position that Colin find themselves in, political objects, and those with huge amounts of negative stuff around, should really move away from the spotlight for several years, and find a new hobby.

          If Colin got on with his business and being a family man, and perhaps did a macrame course or similar, or was diagnosed with a “syndrome” he might gain some public sympathy in a few years.

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      • Taking down Colin Craig is entirely necessary – otherwise he will infest our body politic for years and hog the limelight for genuine social conservatives who wish to run for parliament.

        He is a vile, deceptive, lying fool and I hope he is utterly bankrupted. I don’t even care if it is Slater that does it.

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        • Jeeves

           /  25th November 2015

          Its the true Christian right coming out from within him.

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        • DaveG

           /  25th November 2015

          We lived in a beachside suburb on the north shore not too many years ago, i recall enjoying a coffee with my wife and watching Colin chatting to some poor person almost next to us, when 2 teenage girls (14 – 16 years old) walked past on the way to the beach in bikinis, the look, the stare, he was positively drooling and in public – he confirmed to us then and there, no doubt.

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        • I don’t even think he is a Christian Jeeves, he doesn’t attend church, and I wouldn’t trust anything he has told us in that regard. I think Christians have been “useful idiots” for his purpose, which was always political power with no genuine ideological considerations.

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          • Jeeves

             /  26th November 2015

            Possibly right- that was an unsubstantiated assumption-
            I’m just sick to death of anyone who mentions ‘family values’, or ‘traditional values’.
            Its like a gold standard for setting off alarm bells about their integrity.

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  4. The strangest man to ever have entered politics in NZ. I must admit, Cam did a pretty good imitation of his walk on 7 Sharp.

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  5. yes Blair, but would anybody have voted for him ?

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  6. And here is Cunliffe’s poem:

    For one short year or two

    I suckled you

    with potent milk

    of truth and learning.

    You know my strength

    you know my weakness.

    They are in you

    for I am Harvard

    And I am yours

    Manhire is right, this is worse.

    Cunliffe was a better leader than a poet.

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  7. @robhosking

    Roses are red
    Violets are blue
    Reprint this poem – God help me
    I’ll sue.
    #ColinCraigPoems

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  8. jamie

     /  26th November 2015

    In my years in this great country of ours I have had the privilege to know many talented poets, writers, musicians, and artists who spend years and decades working hard to perfect their craft, often sacrificing the comforts most of us seek, to share beauty and pleasure and meaning to with the rest of us, usually with little chance of any real monetary reward.

    I don’t like sticking up for Cam Slater, but if Colin Craig ever sees a single red cent for the copyright of that godawful syllable salad of a “poem” it will be a slap in the face of every one of them.

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