Syrian situation worsens with Russian jetshot down

The situation in Syria has taken a turn for the worse after Turkey shot down a Russian jet  and rebels shot one crew member and took the other captive.

NZ Herald reports:‘Stab in the back’ – Vladimir Putin’s fury after Russian warplane shot down and rebels ‘reportedly kill pilots’

Turkey has confirmed it shot down a Russian fighter plane – a long-feared crisis in Syria’s civil war and apparently the first time a Nato member has downed a Russian plane in a half-century. At least one of the pilots was killed.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called Turkey’s action a “stab in the back by the terrorists’ accomplices” and warned of “significant consequences”, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov cancelled a visit to Turkey which had been planned for this week.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu insisted his country has the right to take “all kinds of measures” against border violations, and called on the international community to work toward “extinguishing the fire that is burning in Syria”.

Turkey said the Su-24 ignored several warnings that it was nearing, then intruding, into Turkish airspace. Russia insisted the plane stayed over Syria, where it was supporting ground action against rebels.

“We will never tolerate such atrocities as happened today and we hope that the international community will find the strength to join forces and fight this evil,” Putin said.

Rebels said they fired at the two parachuting pilots as they descended, and that one had died. A rebel spokesman said they would consider releasing the body in exchange for prisoners held by Syria. The fate of the second pilot was not immediately known.

It’s hard to imagine how this mess will end up. Quite possibly a whole lot messier.

 

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  1. Timoti

     /  25th November 2015

    And that folks is how Islam will destroy the West. Let us do their dirty work and fight amongst ourselves. Interesting to note, as Turkey has become accommodating of Islam the worse the country is becoming in my view

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  2. This has been a risk of the Russians operating in Syria… potentially it puts Russia and NATO toe to toe if Russia strikes at Turkey …. and that means US v Russia becomes possible.

    Russia has been pushing NATO with air intrusion for awhile now … BEAR bombers have been bouncing flight paths off British airspace for months as well, as Russia demonstrates its capability to project power while the Ukraine adventure happens…

    I would expect the Russians and the US will both now demand some type of apology from Turkey, the Yanks very much behind closed doors while publicly backing the Turks….

    It will be interesting to see what Vlad does – he has a tough guy image to uphold after all..

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    • Robbers Dog

       /  25th November 2015

      This puts the US and NATO in a quandry. Russia have been the most decisive in dealing with ISIS to date; the price being supporting Assad, for now. NATO have been happy to stand back and allow the Putin to do this but with France now entering the fray alongside him, the US and partners are now loosing political capital. The last thing they want is Putin looking strong and having European support. However they cannot actively support Turkey and risk undermining what Putin is doing, as it then compels them to either front in Syria (and not via drones and airstrikes) or admit failure (which the US are tacitly doing via their global travel alert).

      The Turks have shown duplicity in their actions and perhaps a glimpse that perhaps their is more to their governments recent pro-Islamic rhetoric.They are a NATO member afterall but which side do they really sit on?

      I agree, Putins next move will be very interesting. He has shown his willingness to use the handshake and the baseball bat in equal measure when it comes to diplomacy.

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      • Now then, when last did we see a complex web of ententes and treaties causing a big stink and it all coming to a head over a relatively minor incident?

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        • Its pretty close to the Balkans as well….. Just get the Greeks and Turks facing off and the powder keg is ready to go off…

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          • DaveG

             /  25th November 2015

            “the Greeks and Turks facing off….. Neither country is in much of a position to afford a major battle, and from what I am lead ot believe, the younger set will not want to “work” to support the war effort. interesting times.

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            • Nothing fires up a Greek like a Turk…. and Vice Versa ….hopefully the whole situation eases off or we could be looking at something very nasty and widespread…

      • Goldie

         /  25th November 2015

        Robbers Dog wrote: “Russia have been the most decisive in dealing with ISIS to date”

        Not true. Almost all the Russian attacks have been directed at the Syrian rebels in the north-west, which are not ISIS. The US/western powers have been bombing ISIS for a year.\

        “NATO have been happy to stand back and allow the Putin to do this ”

        Huh? NATO countries have strongly condemned Russian intervention to support Assad as counter-productive.

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      • Turk is playing regional politics by backing fellow Sunni’s in Daesh mainly to keep the Kurds down and unable to form their own independent state.

        Putin being unconstrained by any opposition domestically or an active, independent Fourth Estate will probably strike back unless the Turks back down in someway. And if he strikes back then all hell could break loose…

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  3. Given a bunch of uni-and-bi-lateral players on the field without rules of engagement, the situation is unfolding as it should. All the better for ISIS if the opposition players fight amongst themselves eh?
    “The world and the people in it, go the way they will; and there’s not a man, black or white, who can ever hope to stop it” ‘Rachel’s Coming Home’ (circa 1968? What is it about that year!?) Correct, unless we agree to do something else.
    Ψ

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  4. Grumpy

     /  25th November 2015

    So the jet is shot down, the pilots eject and finish up in the middle of Syrian Rebels in Syria. I reckon it was in Syrian air space, don’t you?

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    • If it went straight down.

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      • Moonie01

         /  25th November 2015

        Latest radar reports show it only over Turkish air space for around 10 seconds. Turkey is a key supporter of ISIS, it would not be out of character for them to manufacture tension between the anti ISIS forces.

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        • Goldie

           /  25th November 2015

          Moonie01: “Turkey is a key supporter of ISIS”

          No. Turkey is not a supporter of ISIS.

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          • Perhaps not explicitly, but my enemy’s enemy is my friend, and Daesh are doing a good job of pummelling the Kurds. This means Turkey are quite happy to let Daesh keep doing what they are doing, either by failing to intervene, or by more surreptitious and active help.

            They need to be very very careful in all this that they are not caught out helping Daesh.

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    • It was only 4km inside Syria, falling from an altitude of 6km, factor in flight times for a missile etc, its quite conceivable that it was in Turkish Airspace, as from the photos it appears it was able to maintain flight for a short time after impact, as the pilots managed to eject so its crash was as controlled as could be considering the circumstances.

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      • unitedtribes2

         /  25th November 2015

        I doubt the pilots would have wanted to land in Syria if they had any control at all. Turkey have been accommodating ISIS so as to keep the boarder area free from Kurds. They have been trying to get a no fly zone in this area for months. Cant be surprised with this outcome.

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        • Goldie

           /  25th November 2015

          unitedtribes2: “Turkey have been accommodating ISIS”

          Turkey supports ethnic Turkmen resistance groups opposed to Assad, including Alwiya al-Ashar. The Russians have been bombing those groups as part of Russia’s support of Assad. This has nothing to do with ISIS.

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          • unitedtribes2

             /  25th November 2015

            Yes but before Russian intervention?

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            • Goldie

               /  25th November 2015

              Yes – before the Russian intervention. Turkish intervention in Syria is to support the anti-Assad forces and to support the ethnic Turkmen. Turkey has not been active against ISIS because Turkey regards the YPK as a greater threat.

    • Person W (name edited)

       /  26th November 2015

      If it was hit at 35kft and was travelling at mach 1.2 to 1.4 to conserve fuel, the pilots could have travelled 5kms or considerably more before hitting the deck. Additionally they may have tried to save the plane and to get it down to a safer level which could have had them travel 15 to 30kms. Further the plan may have been engaged by the missile when the plane was over turkish airspace, but by the time it was hit it could have been over Syrian air space. The Turks would have to be on safe ground when the missile was launched. The Turks identified the fighter as being Russian. If it had been a Russian transporter of a similar size to a civilian plane they still would have shot it down. Just pointing out the obvious.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th November 2015

        It can’t fly at that speed. It was the fighters that shot it down that could. It can only fly at half that speed.

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  5. Klik Bate

     /  25th November 2015

    At least the Turks differentiated between a military jet and a passenger airliner.

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  6. Yes, like the Russians differentiate between ISIS insurgents and Syrian opposition fighters.

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  7. Putin’s gonna take his shirt off over this one for sure.

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  8. SteveRemmington

     /  25th November 2015

    “Andrew Little speaks out on treatment of Kiwi expats in Australia visit ”

    So in the space of a week we have Turkey shoots down a Russian and Australia shoots
    down a turkey!

    The worlds gone mad!

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  9. Turkey need to tread very very carefully – Putin has practically accused them of supporting Daesh (and he’s probably right about that). The Russians are fishing for an excuse to beat the crap out of Turkey – and they will do it given half a chance. The Orthodox world HATES that their holy city – Constantinople – is occupied by the Turks, and they will be quite happy to swarm across the Black Sea and kick them to the curb.

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    • I hope Russia gets over extended in Syria…. Teach them some boundaries, although their Air force has recovered its serviceability from the lates 90s early 2000s, their Offensive capacity has been tapped out somewhat already, using up most of their serviceable cruise missiles, and getting the heavy bomber fleet available in such numbers was great for the media, but not sustainable. I hope they get a bloody nose. I just wish the Free Syrian Army was still relevant, otherwise, I’m backing the Kurds.

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      • Salacious P Crumb

         /  26th November 2015

        Ah, the Kurds. Reminds me of an old joke. What’s the similarity between Saddam Hussain and Little Miss Muffet? They both had Kurds in their whey.

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    • They are certainly playing off both sides, they want to keep the Kurds from getting ambitious..

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  10. Klik Bate

     /  25th November 2015

    ALLAHU SNACK BAR!!

    Syrian rebels release video of dead Russian pilot…… 😦

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=425_1448360570

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    • MaureenW

       /  25th November 2015

      I can see they’ll fit in really well – when are they arriving??

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      • Klik Bate

         /  25th November 2015

        For our kids sake, let’s hope they all come to Auckland. That should dampen house prices considerably.

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      • Klik Bate

         /  25th November 2015

        That’s the sort of thing Simon Lusk needs down on the farm 🙂

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      • Goldie

         /  25th November 2015

        With a US-supplied TOW missile.

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        • Yep, the Russians might start taking the game more seriously now and less brazen/cocky, can’t just go flying through another nations airspace willy nilly after being warned on multiple occasions or casually landing a helicopter in a war zone.

          What I can’t work out is why they send a rescue mission out with no air support from a gunship.

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          • Actually after doing some reading seems it was forced to emergency land after taking ground fire then destroyed with a TOW missile.

            The other pilot of the jet survived and has been picked up by Russian special forces, and now claims they received no warning.

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  11. MaureenW

     /  25th November 2015

    Yes, happy festive lunch to you, too.

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