If she wants to be Australian she could move there

When Andrew Little visitied Australia last week ab Aussie senator suggested New Zealand become the seventh and eight states of Australia.

This became international news. The UK’s Guradian reported New Zealand should become ‘seventh and eighth’ states of Australia, jokes senator:

A direct appeal by New Zealand politicians for increased rights for expats living in Australia appears to have had mixed success, with one Canberra senator saying the country’s North and South islands could instead become Australia’s “seventh and eighth” states.

Andrew Little, leader of the opposition Labour party in New Zealand, and the former Labour leader Phil Goff appeared before select committees and met MPs and senators in the Australian capital on Wednesday to lobby for increased access to citizenship and improved benefits.

In a Herald column Heather du Plessis-Allan says Yes NZ, it’s time to become Aussies.

Sure, it’s not an immediately popular idea, but hear me out. Taking up the offer to become part of Australia could be a good thing.

The generous offer is renewed every few years, and this time it’s from a North Queensland senator who thought it a crafty way of putting a sock in complaining Kiwis.

It works like this: Australia gives Kiwis living over the ditch permission to access welfare support, medical help and, you know, other things their taxes pay for. In return, Kiwis give Australia everything we’ve got. Everything. Our whole country.

Relax. This could work.

I’m relaxed. And I think there’s no way this would work. It’s not even a starter for serious consideration.

Maybe she’s just joking. But it’s a silly joke.There’s a lot of Kiwis who have wanted to be Australian, so they moved there.

If HDPA wants to be Australian then she should move to one of the existing states of Australia.

HDPA should move to the mountainless, not try to bring the mountainless to her.

 

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  1. Mike C

     /  29th November 2015

    If Heather moved to Aussie … she could well end up being known as the best export deal we have ever done 🙂

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th November 2015

    Oh dear. Is there no limit to the clickbait drivel the Herald will publish?

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    • Well last week they reported every moment and time greenies got upset with Taylor Swift, so no…..

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      • kittycatkin

         /  29th November 2015

        If Taylor Swift’s entourage had endangered an endangered species even further, we should all be angry about this.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th November 2015

          We had two endangered NZ dotteril nests with chicks on Tapeka beach a couple of weeks ago. Neither survived, I’m told the wekas are very partial to them. That didn’t make the Herald somehow.

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          • kittycatkin

             /  29th November 2015

            Poor little chicks ! But falling prey to predators is sad but natural. Being squashed by SUVs and dogs off their leashes is preventable; I love my dog dearly, but he’s never let off his lead when he’s off his own property, although he’s far too conservation-minded to do anything like that. :-/

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  3. Er, pretty sure they have mountains in Oz, Pete! It’s where their skifields are based. And the Snowy river water scheme starts up the side of the tallest, Mt Kosciuszko.

    The big advantages for joining are better wages and the ability for our cricketers to play in the Sheffield shield comp That’s about it, I reckon.

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    • Not real mountains. Hills. You should come down south and see what mountains look like.

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      • Lived in Chch for years, Pete, very familiar with the Alps! I also bought the house I live in because it has an excellent view of the mountain that means the most to me. I imagine the Aussies could look at the Desert Rd area and go ‘that’s not a desert’, point to the outback, and say ‘that’s a desert!’

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        • Yeah, I know, but I thought it might have been obvious I was having a wee dig at the Aussies and senator.

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          • kittycatkin

             /  29th November 2015

            Why IS the Desert Rd called that when it isn’t a desert ? I have always wondered about this.

            Has anyone seen the Ardennes ? It’s impossible to imagine how it took the Germans so long to cross these .mountains;. I was looking for the mountains and saw nothing but foothills…and was told that these were them.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th November 2015

              It used to be a desert until scientists discovered the missing trace elements that inhibited growth, particularly cobalt and selenium, and prevented it being used for farming.

            • kittycatkin

               /  29th November 2015

              Ah-so that’s it. Was it a real desert with sand, or just bare soil ? It’s quite bleak now, so I hate to think what it was like then,I can’t imagine why anyone who doesn’t have to live there, would.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  29th November 2015

      @TRP at 2,220 metres Mt Kosciusko is barely a foothill compared with Aoraki / Mt Cook

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      • True, but as I mentioned, it gets snow, sustains a ski industry and is a decent climb in it’s own right. And a mountain is just a larger, steeper hill anyway. I’ve seen mountains in the UK that hardly compare, either, but people die climbing them.

        It just seemed like a weird turn of phrase, that’s all.

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        • Mike C

           /  29th November 2015

          @TeReo

          I have always liked your avatar 🙂

          How does one go about getting a profile picture like that?

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          • Gravatar.com Mike. The process is pretty straight forward. Mines linked to my wordpress account, so whenever I comment on a blog as te reo putake the wee piccy comes up. If anyone’s interested, the graphic comes from an eighties comic called Love and Rockets.

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            • Mike C

               /  29th November 2015

              @TRP

              It was the graphic I was keen to know about. Thanks for that 🙂

        • Late out in the lineup again today. This will be out of sequence.
          I know its just a ‘friendly’ Sunday morning thread, right, but –
          Here’s a weird turn of phrase, “Maybe she’s just joking”.
          Are you, like, kidding me!? Well, “maybe”, yeah.
          No particular liking for HDPA, but I can see the appropriateness of her responding to the senator’s drivel with some of her own. Newspapers print drivel all the time.
          On a serious note, I don’t think it reflects very well on the site Pete.
          It’s sorta like you DIDN’T trip her up but “here you go guys, put the boot in anyhow”.
          Which doesn’t quite work because she’s walked on, gone, way ahead of you.
          (And please, no Ron Mark-isms! If you don’t like it here …)
          Give you one guess who’s laughing right now?
          She’ll be having difficulty downing her morning Flat White (if she even reads this?)
          Besides that, I was wondering how to get an avatar too Mike and TRP?
          Seen it now … Can one remain anonymous on gravatar.com?
          Might be fun to find a PartisanZ image without invoking the Five Eyes …
          Ψ
          Morning Alan

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          • As far as I know gravatar is secure. I’ve had the likes of WO and LF trying to find my identity (which isn’t that much of a secret in left circles) but so far they’ve failed.

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  4. kiwi guy

     /  29th November 2015

    HDPA: ” Australia gives Kiwis living over the ditch permission to access welfare support, medical help and, you know, other things their taxes pay for.”

    Aussies slammed the door shut on NZers because our lax “Multiculturalism is Awesome” immigration policies allowed a flood of Third Worlders’s to enter Aussie through the backdoor.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  29th November 2015

      Not exactly. It is true that NZ -> Australia migration contains a high percentage of unskilled workers and particularly of Maori and PI ethnicities who cannot easily immigrate anywhere else. However their employment record in Oz is good, at least until the Oz economy nose-dived recently. The vast majority of problematic ethnic immigrants to Oz did not come via NZ.

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      • kiwi guy

         /  29th November 2015

        ” However their employment record in Oz is good, at least until the Oz economy nose-dived recently.”

        It is good because Aussie has slammed the door on NZers.

        No Aussie dole for NZers -> “good employment record”.

        Obviously.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th November 2015

          No, there are other factors. In the case of Maori it is often motivated individuals and families escaping from a stultifying and destructive cultural regime in this country.

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          • kiwi guy

             /  29th November 2015

            “Other factors”.

            Oh so you don’t actually deny it then.

            No unemployment benefit available in Aussie for NZers -> “good employment record”.

            Your attempt to squirm out of this by way of reference to NOTIONAL factors – “stultifying something something” – hilarious.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th November 2015

              Your drivelling ignorance is as tedious as your fanaticism. Go amuse yourself with someone else.

            • kiwi guy

               /  29th November 2015

              Your’ve failed again.

              Not surprising, you’ve demonstrated previously your inability to grasp Logic 101 with your extremist position on economics.

      • kiwi guy

         /  29th November 2015

        “The vast majority of problematic ethnic immigrants to Oz did not come via NZ.”

        Again, Aussie slammed door shut on NZ immigration so of course NZ is no longer the main source of “problematic ethnic immigrants” are NOW NO LONGER.

        Obviously.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th November 2015

          Except they didn’t slam the door shut on NZ immigration but you will obviously ride your hobby-horse until its legs fall off, whatever.

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          • kiwi guy

             /  29th November 2015

            So why no auto citizenship track?

            Why no more dole money or much of anything?

            NZ opened the flood gates to Third Worlders because Multiculturalism and feel feels.

            You’ve been busted again Mr Wilkinson. Thanks for playing.

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          • kiwi guy

             /  29th November 2015

            Oh yeah and now they are kicking NZ trash out of Australia altogether or have you not been paying attention to the news?

            But sure Mr Wilkinson keep pretending to yourself that the Aussies haven’t slammed the door shut

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      • kiwi guy

         /  29th November 2015

        “at least until the Oz economy nose-dived recently. ”

        Exactly, Aussie has been a very Luck Country indeed, and has generously allowed any NZer an opportunity to partake in that commodity windfall if they could prove themselves useful. And many have, including myself.

        Unfortunately this extended good run has created a false sense of entitlement in the NZ psyche, and now that the economic storm clouds are rolling in it is getting a sharp reality check.

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    • Morning KG! Good try mate. Probably not quite extreme enough though.
      Look, you’ve illicited a balanced response. Nice one Alan.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  29th November 2015

        Nothing illicit about my response, PZ. Be careful or you’ll have kittycat sorting out your Latin roots.

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      • kiwi guy

         /  29th November 2015

        You should dye your armpit hair blue in solidarity with your Feminist comrades – of course I’m assuming you haven’t yet, but your extremist position on gender makes it entirely possible:

        Girl Power!

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        • Yeah, yeah … good one KG. You are the master double-agent.
          I know. Believe me, I appreciate you. Feel the appreciation.
          So it’s like, now that you think you’ve lured someone out and got them to somehow incriminate themselves, why persist? Why fight if you believe you’ve won!?
          Oh, and in case you hadn’t noticed, NO SELF-INCRIMINATION TOOK PLACE!!!
          (And I might even be talking about someone I regularly disagree with)
          I personally know Maori people who have left their turangawaewae to live elsewhere because they feel personally restricted by their ‘home’ culture. (I also know plenty who don’t and stayed)
          I personally know Pakeha people for whom exactly the same applies.
          Just some feedback for you. Where it’s not quite working, I reckon, is double-agents don’t usually stand out in the road with a sign saying “I’m a double agent”.
          For what it’s worth.
          Luv ya.

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        • Mike C

           /  29th November 2015

          @KiwiGuy

          I find it extremely worrying that you have such a huge fixation and obsession with Fenimists … amongst a few other topics 😦

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          • kittycatkin

             /  29th November 2015

            Don’t you wish that he’d air them somewhere else ?

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            • kittycatkin

               /  29th November 2015

              I don’t bother to reply; one can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

        • Oh hell, this’ll be elongated! KG, here’s an example of my theory about the flag referendum. Your ‘Girl Power!’ has one thumbs-up, five down. So, assuming you are Ms X, double-agent and left-wing superhero (which you haven’t denied), you know your alter ego KG has one supporter (unless that supporter is your-selves).
          The question becomes, how can I ‘get to’ that supporter, get under their skin enough to rattle them into commenting and hence ‘out’ themselves, right?
          If KG GP! = Key’s preferred flag, and Supporter = %age voter for that flag, and you could find out their, age, gender etc, all the information available on the electoral roll, you would have powerful tools for increasing that %age vote.
          Armed with the same info about your detractors, you could work on limiting their growth and participation in the next round.
          I’m really just chatting away to myself here while the others do the personality cult stuff on threads elsewhere.
          It’s clearly not a good fit for me this place and I suspect I shall shortly go the way of the mighty TeaLeaf.
          Let me guess at some responses to that, “You’ll be sadly missed PnZ”
          “No gr8 loss” etc etc

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          • Mike C

             /  29th November 2015

            @PeeZ

            Nah … you are really so cool man 🙂

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            • @ Mike C – you’re clearly a king-pin here although apparently you’re a woman? [I could make all sorts of guesses at your name based on that slim information except I have no interest in doing so. I respect the pseudonym facility here. That’s a topic-related comment]
              Assuming for a moment I can take your comment at face value – because it could just as easily mean the opposite – and trying to stay on topic – isn’t it interesting how much MIGHT be gleaned from the simple fact we have both received a thumbs down? I reckon its KG except if KG’s a double-agent it doesn’t quite make sense. What can I ‘reasonably’ assume? (0 = he/she probably isn’t a double-agent?)
              1. Someone doesn’t agree with my analysis of the potential power inherent in the reversed two referenda strategy (explained by the absurd notion that we “need to know the alternative” before we can decide if we want change. Key actually said this!)
              2. Someone doesn’t agree with you I’m cool OR they think you are taking the mickey.
              3. It’s probably not TeaLeaf.
              With some brain strain I could come up with more …
              I predict an avalanche of carefully managed, spun ‘influence’ in favour of one or other of the Fern/Southern Cross options, whichever wins Round 1. The old flag brigade won’t match it.

  5. kittycatkin

     /  29th November 2015

    A Kiwi friend who works for a hospital board in Sydney says that the hospital is $90,000,000 in debt and offering 70 voluntary redundancies to non-medical staff of whom he is one, Not that that will go far towards a debt that size, unless they are being paid huge salaries-which they are not. It is unlikely that this is the only hospital in this position.

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    • kittycatkin, I venture the opinion such debt is largely the result of a health system increasingly based on expensive treatment rather than thrifty prevention.

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    • DaveG

       /  30th November 2015

      Kitty. Its really necessary to follow the political spectrum in State politics, and if the unions are pulling the Labor parties chains. In QLD, Newman led public service cuts, as the public service blossomed after the union masters leant on the Labor Govt to have more state employees, and Health and Education particularly increased. This largess never works under a Liberal Govt, so the budgets were cut, and they hurt for two years, and a good many people were retrenched…… Until …… Labor was elected again, and now the (you guessed it) unions are in control again, and PuzzleShock has obliged by increasing public servant numbers particularly in Health and Education. More staff numbers, means more union members, and union fees, which means more is donated to the Labor party.

      Its the same in NSW, the labor hospital administrators will run a negative budget to hold the begging bowl out harder, the media will run compliant articles that granny might miss out on her ingrown toenail removal operation, and cedric might have to wait another 2 weeks for his heart operation. Its all political, and not necessarily straight shortage of funds.

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