Unravelling…Dave/David

In a way this is a difficult post because it’s about someone who at times has made a good contribution here. Most of the time. But there’s been an obvious agenda that kept surfacing.

And that agenda surfaced yesterday. I posted Lies about Blomfield because of an apparently coincidental dig at me here on Sunday night about the same time as a (typical) blatant lie by @laudafinem on Twitter the same topic.

And DaveG reacted to the post with indignation, claiming I had accused him of lying (I hadn’t, that was directed at @laudafunem)) and saying adios (repeatedly through the day). But in the course of bidding farewell DaveG said a few things that could well be very deliberate lies.

Here’s a few statements:

“… perhaps you should call Otis, and arrange a long Chat.  To repeat what I said last night I have not ever met LF, nor am I working for them.”

That might depend on what ‘LF’ defines. And while I think I have probably come across the name ‘Otis’ before I had forgotten about it. It is apparently the nickname that friends of Warren Powell call him.

“I as I have stated several times I have never met Slater, [Deleted as per court order], any of the LF crew, and have no association with any of them.

“Otis is one of the Key people in Blomfields past, nice guy too, or so I am told as I have never met him, never had any communications with him at all.”

“And PS Pete. You say Lies – that is a grossly misleading comment. ”

“What i stated, was my impression – it is NOT lies. You keep asking others for proof etc, so where is your proof I lied – Where Pete?”

“If you dont know who Otis is, you have not gone back very far, and that means you have missed a lot of the saga, the history, and without history, you cant look at this properly”

“I did not make a false claim Pete, and again, if you didnt know who Otis was, you do not know the full story – at all. You have clearly showed bias right there, you are unable to show i have mislead or lied.”

“I highly reccomend a book on Phychopaths, and a quote from a leading expert on Physopaths and behavoiurs…… “If you’re able to con someone, that’s their problem. They deserve it”

That was not the normal DaveG, it was quite an outpouring that raised some warning signals. The denials of familiarity with certain people alongside confusing messages that suggested familiarity.

And there was another related issue on another post Disgraceful dismissal of disgraceful behaviour where I criticised DaveG for minimising a despicable attack on ‘Mike C’ by Lauda Finem.

(FYI I dont agree with everyhting LF writes, the piece on MikeC’s real name and family was not needed, but will quickly be forgotten as time passes)

DaveG went on to defend Cameron Slater (Mike C claims Slater or  associates must have passed information on to Lauda Finem) and he also defended the Lauda Finem post and further minimised it.

“Ther eis nothing outrageous in the post by LF, not kiddy fiddling, murders, major con artists, etcetc. Just someone using a few identities who is talented enough to be in a show / musical.”

He repeated this and said quite a bit more. One of his last comments:

Most are nice people, sharing a view, others are controlling, some seem to have PeteG doing it for them, i.e every time i mention Bloomfield, this makes me question WHY. I believe, never look at the smoke, look under the flames, who is stoking the fire, who started it, and why. Look for this with Bloomfield and with Ben – WHY. But, also with LF. I was never treated like this at WO. I have said enough, good luck, thank you, and farewell 🙂

Another accusation that people have me “doing it for them” and DaveG keeps repeating Blomfield, an obsession since he started commenting here.  And the ironic “look under the flames, who is stoking the fire”.

As it turns out a different fire was stoked today on Twitter.

VanceDavid1

David, Slater and Lauda Finem had a familiar ring to it.

A testy exchange ensued between this David and a number of journalists, who were obviously upset.

Vance was annoyed enough to do some investigating.

VanceDavid2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5682523/Insulation-company-leaves-trail-of-unpaid-bills

It turns out that David @HolmesPD associates quite a bit with @laudafinem and also follows and associates with [Deleted as per court order] .

I did a bit more simple investigating that any journalist could have done and this produced sufficient evidence to, I believe, strongly link this David to DaveG.

And it turns out that David Holdsworth probably knows ‘Otis’ Powell and [Deleted as per court order] quite well, and will have met them probably more than a few times.

And DaveG has often repeated very similar attacks on Matthew Blomfield that [Deleted as per court order] has. There’s plenty of evidence of this. One of his first comments here:

I have spent 15 years observing MB from a distance, he is a Vulture and an absolute C artist. Is it any wonder his associates and partners at Hell and other ventures want nothing to do with him. And lets not forget, Bloomfield has effectively silenced Slater with his Court orders, but a message to Matt, one day it will come out, one day, yes all of it.

If things keep being brought up then there is a chance things will come out one day, but not necessarily the things one wants to come out Dave.

If this is all largely true then DaveG has a bit of explaining to do. And some apologising not just to me but to the others here he would have been deceiving. Especially I think apologies to Mike C would be warranted.

96 Comments

  1. Mike C

     /  1st December 2015

    @George

    I don’t want an apology from a cockroache.

    They have turned out to be exactly what I always thought they were right from the start … and my expectations of “DaveG’s” morals and ethics have always been very low in comparison to the majority of the other regular commenter’s and readers of your blog 🙂

  2. kittycatkin

     /  1st December 2015

    Is DaveG Daveid (of the hotel Daveids ?) Oh, please, no.

    • I don’t know but my guess is no, it wasn’t his style, DaveG at least didn’t seem to use multiple IDs’

      • kittycatkin

         /  1st December 2015

        Oh-I seem to have missed the point, then.It’s been a long day….well, that’s my excuse.

    • kittycatkin

       /  1st December 2015

      He seems disagreeable at times, but I didn’t think that he would stoop that low-and can’t think why. He must have some serious problems, as that Daveid thing was very strange (and rather funny) but not the work of a mature adult. He could have made his points without that childish behaviour that fooled nobody into thinking that it was two people. One clue was when when David forgot and addressed Dave as David instead of Dave.

      • Mike C

         /  1st December 2015

        @Kitty

        You haven’t been on the repeated receiving end of “DaveG’s” shit arsed comments like I have been over the past few months 🙂

        It has been very hard to bear his and others of his ilks rude demeaning put downs of me and my family … and I would not wish it on anyone.

        • kittycatkin

           /  1st December 2015

          Yes, I have noticed his rudeness and nastiness which seems gratuitous, but I thought that we were being told that he was a user of several names like the Daveids, a different issue.. I found the whole attack campaign on you totally uncalled for. People can disagree as much as they like, but that is completely unacceptable. The comments were revolting and I can’t imagine many people deserving them-if any. .

        • DaveG

           /  1st December 2015

          MikeC. Where are the Put Downs I have made towards you or your family, sure you make comments under multiple personalities, why, but find one post i have made putting down your family – the challenge is there.

          • Mike C

             /  1st December 2015

            @DaveH

            You went out of your way to put me and my Family down yesterday and the day before.

            • DaveG

               /  1st December 2015

              @mikeC. Where have I put your family down, not once is the answer MikeC. Pete is trying hard to associate but no evidance at all. Please Mike, please show where I have put your family down, where. I think you owe it to others here to show what I said, you have made a statement back it up.

      • DaveG

         /  1st December 2015

        Not me Kitty, i read that and laughed.

  3. jaspa

     /  1st December 2015

    DaveG has often mentioned living in the same part of Australia that David Holdsworth now does.

  4. DaveG

     /  1st December 2015

    So true to form what you have shown here Pete is not one of your commentors is safe from your unscropulous attacks. You will out anyone who dares to disagree with you, its there in Black and white. I stand by what I said about Blomfiled, all info is in the public domain, and hey, i cant help it if you didnt even know who Otis is. One of your commentors found several articles from 2009 on NBR, identifying Otis, and again, more people claiming Blomfield this and that. Never mind, again, just ignore it. And FYI, i have never mnet any of the crew you claim i am associated with, not once. You are no different to LF Pete, and again, I have NEVER ever Lied, but seem like a Bloomfield sock, just like LF claim. And Pete, you do not deserve any apology, but go back, several times I have said to Mike C / Fran didnt deserve the singling out she got, but you ignore that, once again, didnt it suit your narrative did it.

    God help anyone who disagrees with you, another of your commentors said it wasnt safe in YourNZ, but i didnt think Pete G was the dangerous one.

    Oh, to the comments I made, light hearted, look at A Vance and P Dunne, remember that, oh yes, even reported on Stuff. Now think of K Bradford, and er, D Cunliffe, oh yes, widely reported. Hmmmmmmmm

    And before MikeC statrs, i will defend myself, nothing more.

    • Are you saying you have never met Powell, [Deleted as per court order], Slater? Never had contact with them?

      • DaveG

         /  1st December 2015

        YES PETE FOR ABOUT THE 15th time. Never had contact. As I have said before, and ome of your commentors have read, i follow WO. One 2 min phone call to Cam Slater on an unlrealted matter many years ago – thats it. I might like some of LF’s work, but no emails, no private messages, no phone calls and no work either way, i still do not know who they are. And, i dont do multiple personalities.

        • Powell? [Deleted as per court order]?

          • DaveG

             /  1st December 2015

            Pete – what did i say above. No. Ihave not even made a tweet direct to [Deleted as per court order], he may of liked one of mine here or there or been roped into a twitter convo, but no contact, dont even have his contact numbers, and why would i need them Pete, why? Your consipracy theory seems bizzare, i have said over and over the last few months i am not associated, but kept pushing – i think you owe me an apology Pete.

            • Truth

               /  1st December 2015

              You’re onto it Pete. Don’t let them get away with it. There attacks are never ending and they keep coming back under different names. You have to keep an eye on those “ex’ WO types epseically. They all report back what goes on here and do SSlaters dirty work. Blomfield is just a guy who would have been just fine had Slater not torn his company down with his filthy smears taken from STOLEN data. Your building a good team here Pete — Blomfield, Price, Rachinger, Poulson. If an can take it to Slater its those guys — they have all the inside info. You just keep your blog going and provide the platform for their woirk

            • Mike C

               /  1st December 2015

              @”Truth”

              LOL … you are such a fucking dick 🙂

            • DaveG

               /  1st December 2015

              Show me what I said, as I believe your making stuff up again MikeC I asked for a direct quote, so kindly respond. I may be sharp, but I do not recall once putting your family down.

            • You put Mike C and her whole family down by minimising the Lauda Finem post, making excuses for it and everything that was said and done on it.

            • Mike C

               /  1st December 2015

              @George

              You have got more down votes than even I have gotten. LOL 🙂

            • DaveG

               /  1st December 2015

              Pete the answer is no, it doesn’t matter how many times you ask it the answer remains the same, I think your jumping at shadows Pete. Still waiting to my apology Pete.

            • Mike C

               /  1st December 2015

              @George

              Who is Powell?

            • DaveG

               /  1st December 2015

              MikeC. If you don’t know who Powell is, you should ask google. It was also explained the other day by another commentor. They even provided a link to an article on NBR.

            • Mike C – Warren Powell is a businessman involved with Hell Pizza set up…. its where Blomfield comes in…. have a look at the post I did yesterday in reply to Pete George who asked who is Otis….

            • Mike C

               /  2nd December 2015

              @Dave1924

              Thanks very much for that 🙂

              I clearly missed the “Otis” post the other day … due to other stuff going on in here.

              I might be a girl … but I have always sucked at multi tasking. LOL.

    • Mike C

       /  1st December 2015

      @DaveH

      What a load of shite you talk 🙂

      Last night and today you have referred to me in here as “MikeC/Fran”.

      You clearly had an agenda in doing that.

    • “Oh, to the comments I made, light hearted, look at A Vance and P Dunne, remember that, oh yes, even reported on Stuff.”

      Obviously Vance, Bradford and a number of others didn’t see the ‘light hearted’ side of it.

      Katie Bradford ‏@katieabradford

      @HolmesPD @avancenz @HDPA @barrysoper You abused us with comments you know to be defamatory lies. It’s sexist and disgusting.

      And @HolmesPD kept digging. His account is now ‘protected’.

  5. Mike C

     /  1st December 2015

    Why did “DaveG” choose the twitter handle “@holmespd” ???

    Sounds like a username that is a play on “Home Periodic Detention” or something like that.

    It quite clearly has nothing to do with their real life name 🙂

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  1st December 2015

      US TV show, Mike. Sherlock.

      • Mike C

         /  1st December 2015

        @AlanW

        He would be that arrogant … to use Sherlock Holmes Private Detectives name and Title ???

    • DaveG

       /  1st December 2015

      I enjoy change Alan, if we never explore possibilities, we do not move forward. Container housing might not be the answer, but a few clusters of smaller homes for those starting out or in retirement but still active could work, and free up other housing for families or those that need it. We build retirement villages where the developers and owners make a fortune operating them. But let’s consider if we had a similar style for the younger ones, with no or perhaps up to two children. They live in apartments in other cities in the world, but apartments are not really accepted by many younger kiwis when starting families so a smaller home with a small section makes the half way mark. I wasn’t seeking “approval” but 100 minds thinking…….. 10 people going perhaps, 1 official looking for alternatives or change might result in change, innovation, or something different.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  1st December 2015

        Bureaucrats hate change. Our planning and building bureaucracy is designed to prevent it, with ample encouragement from the Greenies, the Historic Places diletentes and the socialists who don’t want anything left to private initiative.

        The consequence is simply unnecessary poverty.

    • Mike C

       /  2nd December 2015

      @AlanW

      Very Interesting 🙂

      I wonder if “DaveGH” has ever written any posts for Lauda Finem?

      With the twitter handle “@holmespd” … it would appear they fancy themselves as a bit of a Super Sleuth Private Investigator or something. LOL.

  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  1st December 2015

    Goodness me…overdosing on popcorn here…!

    You’ve struck some very raw nerves over the past couple of weeks PG…keep up the good work

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st December 2015

    FWIW, I think this is a bit over the top all round. I don’t think DaveG alias DH is an LF troll, simply an over-enthusiastic and sometimes unnecessarily rude supporter of the Whale who totally got up Mike C’s nose.

    • Nice summation Alan…..

    • Salacious P Crumb

       /  2nd December 2015

      Sanity prevails. I think DaveG ‘s treatment here is pretty shabby to say the least. It’s made me think twice. All the hallmarks of schoolyard bullies rounding on an easy target. His crime? The temerity to go against the prevailing narrative.

      • Mike C

         /  2nd December 2015

        @SalaciousP

        Really ???

        That’s all you see ???

        Take your blindfold off … and start peeling away a few layers of the Onion named “DaveGH” 🙂

    • Maureen W

       /  2nd December 2015

      @ AW
      Agree, all a bit petty, personal and storm-in-a-teacup from my perspective too.

      • Mike C

         /  2nd December 2015

        @Maureen

        My Sisters would tend to disagree with you 😦

  8. Rawshark For Prime Minister

     /  2nd December 2015

    The Netherlands has among the most free internet in the world and spoofing a Dutch IP is child’s play. Even [Precautionary delete] can do it. What’s bizarre, though, is that [Precautionary delete] and the rest of the Lauda Finem thugs think they are being oh-so-clever interweb krackers and that sifting content through an off-shore server somehow negates the application of New Zealand law. Such a defence, should it ever be presented, would be hilarious to watch.

    🙂

  9. DaveG

     /  2nd December 2015

    And just for clarity Pete, I had LF follow me on Twitter tonight, just in case you go looking and then suggest I am in cahoots with them. All most likely due to your scoop Pete. I know you have some sort of legal battle going on Pete, I’m not part of it, not supported it, never will, but is that why you asked the questions you did, is that why your jumping at me, do you really think I’m involved ? I’m still waiting for that apology from you Pete.

    • Max

       /  2nd December 2015

      Why don’t you just crawl under your rock and leave us alone… You add nothing positive here..

    • Mike C

       /  2nd December 2015

      @DaveGH

      Why on earth would [Edited per court order] bother to follow you on Twitter? 🙂

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd December 2015

        Probably for the same reasons they have infested this place – trying to make trouble.

        • Mike C

           /  2nd December 2015

          @AlanW

          Or … another possibility is that Marc and Dave are close fiends or business associates? 🙂

          • At times it’s been difficult to tell their Blomfield attacks apart. Attacks that seemed to move here from WO once Slater committed to the court to desist.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd December 2015

            The vast majority of social media links are not between business associates and close friends. Those links are maintained by more direct contacts.

          • Mike C you have anything to back that up or just tarring someone unjustifiably?

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  2nd December 2015

      @daveg

      Raymond Chandler would be ever so proud of you…such a Long Goodbye

  10. I acknowledge this may seem harsh to some. DaveG has been fine here much of the time. But more will be revealed that shows an agenda and associations that were signalled from his first comment here:

    Pete. You know Camron Slater reasonably well, and should have also done your homework on the narsisistic little BR. He is a bag of scum, trying to play the big boy, but he is not intelligent enough to pull off his master plan and keep his name clean. Or, is it even his plan? I think not, its the plan of others, planted for Ben to run with and try and look the hero. The businessman, and ex Cops have got to Ben, they are pulling the levers and he is playing their game, surely you can see that.

    To any doubters, take an hour to troll through a selection of Bens tweets over the last few months, and his online posts, see if you can work out his other twitter accounts as well.

    Another point, Why has Ben suddenly released this so called info, WHY? Well, next Wednesday Cam Slater has his Decade of Dirt and promises to release a lot of info, my belief is BR and his enablers, businessmen tits and thugs will feature, so like a little boy running to mummy to explain who broke the crystal, you know, get the story out first to sound credible, Ben thought, oh, better act NOW.

    Its all to conveniant, too well timed, and there is a ice addicted rat. I will finish my rant with this. Even if WO did organise a hack of the filthy Sub-Standard, why he is so bad when Nicky Hagar and his criminal hacker mate are not yet behind bars or even thought of as criminals when it is well known they Hacked WO, lost people their jobs, and they profited from their crime.

    PS: YOu should get to the Decade of Dirt Pete, a lot ot discover, and a great night out!

    And soon after:

    I have come across Bloomfield in a business environment and have had dealings with him, but as I dont want my business named, no further mentions. A senior industry colleague noticed Bloomfield chatting to me and warned me off. Bloomfield is the kind who looks you up and down, and works out how useful you are to him or discards you. I refused to work with him, although minor, ther ewas no way. At the same meeting he was over friendly to my wife, and she wanted nothing more to do with him, not even be in the same town as him, he is a creep. I have spent 15 years observing MB from a distance, he is a Vulture and an absolute C artist. Is it any wonder his associates and partners at Hell and other ventures want nothing to do with him. And lets not forget, Bloomfield has effectively silenced Slater with his Court orders, but a message to Matt, one day it will come out, one day, yes all of it.

    These themes were repeated often which included some potentially legally actionable accusations. They were often detailed and indicated a greater personal knowledge of some of the key players than he revealed.

    WO and LF are associated but peripheral. DaveG has shown an interest in and knowledge of Blomfield related issues far greater than most, and was on a par with and had similar lines to [Edited per court order]. And I think his connections here are more than he has been prepared to admit.

    • Jeeves

       /  2nd December 2015

      @PG
      I think he has been relatively adamant and forthright about his associations.

      It may be that he is such a clever operator in such a polished conspiratorial cabal that my naiveté betrays me- but at this point I am left wondering what the endgame could possibly be and why you would feature so centrally to it?

      If indeed the Layer-cake has so many layers, and so much at stake, for so many players – it fails to make sense that they would choose your ‘living room’ to play their fight to the death in.
      Surely they would all choose a venue where there is less scrutiny?

      Be aware not to become some sort Torquemada of the Spanish (bride) Inquisition.
      No answer unless its the answer you want.

      I think you should put up proof that the rest of us can see, because its all looking a bit nebulous. And rather chilling to be honest. I’m wondering now how safe are you to be the curator of our privacy.

      I say this as a person who hates the filthy scum that this guy is defending- but I defend his right to hold strong opinions.

      • I defend his right to hold strong opinions too. But I don’t defend his actions that have involved legally compromising this site and not being honest.

      • Mike C

         /  2nd December 2015

        @Jeeves

        Sadly … quite a bit of what “DaveG” has said in here has often sounded as though it has come from a Parrot or a Ventriloquists Dummy.

        There has been a hidden agenda behind “DaveG’s” commenting presence in Georges Blog 🙂

        • Jeeves

           /  2nd December 2015

          Possibly MikeC- but didn’t you just recently take a poster to task for using an alias?

      • Conspiratoor

         /  2nd December 2015

        “I’m wondering now how safe are you to be the curator of our privacy”

        Damn it Jeeves, you’re starting to make sense and that makes me uncomfortable. Rob too. The earth just titled two degrees on its axis 😉

        • Jeeves

           /  2nd December 2015

          @Conspiratoor

          Well, I do come here to share my honestly held opinions and have them challenged intelligently.

    • DaveG

       /  2nd December 2015

      [Edited per court order]Pete, wow, the old saying, stop digging comes to mind, and with almost every entry you seem to have obtained a bigger digger to try and unearth something. I hold views as most do, I have observed things for a long time, as some do. As I have said to you and posted here, I admire the work of CS and the work and articles of SB also hold some interest. LF also do some good work, highly provocative, strong views, but interesting, again I have made it no secret I read their work, every post in fact. Anyone can go back and find the comments and you keep finding stuff and posting it, I think most are thinking well, where is the smoking gun, so [Edited per court order] followed me, perhaps I should have called the GCSB, it’s hardly the crime of the century.

      Are [Edited per court order] and LF associated, it seems that way but again, who cares, if it is [Edited per court order] posting here, then it’s not a good look, ban the ip’s Pete. But I seriously doubt there is a direct association between LF and WO as you alledge, I have not seen any direct association and the writing styles are different, grammar and spelling are also different.

      Now on MikeC / Fran. Since day one Pete, MikeC has made little nitpicking remarks, but you let them all go, no asking for facts or anything. I brushed most off them off with similar style she would use. However, some of the claims from LF seem true enough, then a person I have a lot of time for joined in, TravDog. He is someone I have a lot of respect for Pete, a firm but fair person, as I have said before. His comments, words such as Nutbag or similar were used. One then looks at the evidence. I have also said Pete and Mike, families should not be drawn into it, Never! I do not agree with LF mentioning them, but as I mentioned, I had forgotten who they were, as they were not relevant to here, or life in general. To my point, Mike C constantly claims I abused her family, and you support that view by saying I agreed with LF and despite me asking when I did that, neither of you have come up with any goods, but keep digging and putting up unrelated material and making claims and raising side issues which you call me out for!

      Some are questioning their safety or their privacy, well my privacy in Petes hands worked well, not. A few words and Pete has devoted more energy and screen space to the matter than LF did to MikeC, yet is highly critical of LF for what they did. There was no endgame for me, I don’t like the likes of Blomfield or Honey, and there is enough info in the public domain if people want to research it and go back years. People have lost money at the hands of these two, again, it’s public info.

      I note an interesting comment was made yesterday by “truth”. Saying something like a team, Blomfield, Ben, price…… Whilst I doubt there is anything more than fantasy behind it, it could account for my comments you seem to be siding with Blomfield Pete, or have you accidentally positioned yourself or the blog there, and is there a battle?

      Im still waiting for the evidence or proof of claims I abused or put down MikeC’s family, and your apology Pete.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd December 2015

        Perhaps there is more hidden behind the scenes but on the basis of what I have seen this is fair comment.

        Mike, I think you need to put up or shut up as far as claiming DaveG abused your family anything beyond his one comment on the LF hit piece. I know you don’t like Slater and DaveG does but that is a separate issue.

        • Mike C

           /  2nd December 2015

          @AlanW

          He has written more than one comment since Lauda Finem published that hit piece post on me and my Family … and even if he didn’t write more than that one comment … then surely that one despicable comment should be enough?

          If it becomes apparent over time that “DaveG” was involved in some way with the writing of that Lauda Finem hit piece on me and my Family … then that could well become a legal matter.

          DaveG is scrambling … and is doing his best to get as many commenter’s in here onside with him as he can … and that is fine with me … because the more comments he writes … the more likely he is to fuck up 🙂

          • Rob

             /  2nd December 2015

            Hey Pete, when are you gonna rename your blog to ‘The Mike C Show”.
            Seems you like to play with fire Mike but as soon as you get burnt you cry about it. Dave has asked numerous times where he has abused or put down your family. Haven’t seen you put forth any evidence other than your usual innuendo and silly litttle conspiracy theories. As Alan said, put up or shut up.

            • Mike C

               /  2nd December 2015

              @”Rob”

              You are as rude as “DaveGH”.

            • Jeeves

               /  2nd December 2015

              Put up or shut up.

            • Mike C

               /  2nd December 2015

              @Jeeves

              DaveGH’s comments are here in Georges Blog somewhere … so go and find them yourself.

              I cannot help but wonder how many people in here would be dismayed if all of the people who have been trying to get Georges Blog shut down … actually managed to achieve that end?

              From where I am sitting right now … if some people in here continue to get sucked in by a very small number of vicious commenter’s in here … then that is looking more and more like a distinct possibility.

            • Rob

               /  2nd December 2015

              Not to be ‘rude’ Mike, but you’re the one making accusations against Dave, so the onus is on you, not others, to back them up.

            • Maureen W

               /  2nd December 2015

              Gee Rob, I rarely agree with you but do agree on this topic.
              In my view, the commenter MikeC behaves like the resident troll attacking other commenters or being obsequious to the one she likes (Ben), rarely contributing to the issues and dissing other commenters if they happen to agree with a commenter she doesn’t like, etc. MikeC also has an unhealthy habit of jumping at shadows, insisting there are connections where there are none and generally viewing things as though they’re all somehow about him/her.

              (Notwithstanding, the comment I made to MikeC about the LF article, my sympathies in that regard)

          • DaveG

             /  2nd December 2015

            No I’m not mikeC, I’m waiting for you to find the piece where i put your family down. Please – then we can all move on. Or for as long as people make incorrect claims, i will defend myself, or apologise and withdraw. If people dont like my style, comments then i will live with that, most of us hold views of one way or another, debate is strong, if we all thought the same…….. boring.

            Oh, and again for about the 25th time, i have NO association with LF, {Edited as per court order], or Slater, or anyone else who seems to have it in for you or Pete none whatsoever, never emailed them, no conversations, only a few twitter comments.

            • DaveG – no true by your own admission re an brief contact with Slater you mentioned in another comment on YourNZ in the last few days. nit picking but its on here somewhere….

            • DaveG

               /  2nd December 2015

              @Dave1924 For clarity I have said several times, i have had no association with Slater / [Edited as per court order]/ LF / or any of the others people are suggesting – i am not involved with them. I also previously said i have had a 2 minute phone conversation with CS years ago on an unrelated matter. (Just in case, 2 minute may have been 1 or 2, it was many many years ago, no records, not even a diary note)

              Association (working with / for etc) versus a brief conversation, years ago, and before the Blomfield saga, totally unrelated.

              Sorry if that confused, I should have seperated the parts for clarity (IE: no conversations with LF, [Edited as per court order] or their colleagues, or the Nottinghams, or any of the ex Hell people, or, CS on any matters in many years). FYI I have sent in a few articles to WO on things I’m passionatte about, as Alan W identified last night, but rarely and only for times when PeteB called for articles.

              But I have said previously, i had a 2 minute convo with CS on a totally unrelated matter. And for the record, i was expecting a fire breathing dragon, but it was a nice conversation, with a polite man, who listened, commented and that was that. i mentioned that as well somewhere.

            • All good Dave thanks for the explanation…

            • why bother

               /  2nd December 2015

              DaveG / November 30, 2015

              Pete, at a function many years ago I met Bloomfield, it was a social setting and as I have said elsewhere, it set every alarm off in my body. I am blessed with a very high level of awareness others traits and personalities.

              I as I have stated several times I have never met Slater, [Edited as per court order], any of the LF crew, and have no association with any of them.

              ….. I have had an email exchange with Cam Slater, and spoke briefly on the phone with him briefly, and despite what others say, he was extremely pleasant and nicely spoken.

              Otis is one of the Key people in Blomfields past, nice guy too, or so I am told as I have never met him, never had any communications with him at all. I will leave the rest to you Pete, and good luck, I have enjoyed debating things with you at WO, and you have some good commentors here, but adios. Good luck with Bloomfield and Ben.

              daveg remember this little rant you made 3 days ago where you say you emailed and spoke on the phone to slater
              and now today you say i have NO association with LF,or [Edited as per court order], or Slater, or anyone else who seems to have it in for you or Pete none whatsoever, never emailed them, no conversations, only a few twitter comments.
              daveg you are a doublespeak man who loves to mix it up with much obfuscation some of your earlier comments on this site are quite vile nasty and threatening if you want I will drag them all up to show you and your ex wo commrades

            • DaveG

               /  2nd December 2015

              See above for clarification, no obfuscation! Again, lets not confuse “association” with a one off convo, and emails for articles as Alan Identified – email exchanges, early ones to CS, later to PeteB ……..

              Now, going by old comments, I believe MikeC even sent emails to WO, or called them, or at least had communication, so lets all roll out the spanish inquisition on those as well. Who, why, when, proof, etc etc.

              And, just for the record, who is Why Bother ??? a new commentor or another “identity” ?

            • Mike C

               /  2nd December 2015

              @WhyBother

              It appears that DaveGH thinks that you have never commented in here before … and is insinuating that you and I are perhaps the same person 🙂

              Is there a way that you can verify that we are two separate people without it causing you any problems?

            • Jeeves

               /  2nd December 2015

              Wow thats completely damning- especially if you disregard the use of past tenses, words, understanding or indeed any perceptive intelligence.

              I mean – can people not actually read clear statements anymore, and hold their actual meaning in the brains long enough to form a coherent thought?

              “I didn’t”
              “Yes you are”
              “No I didn’t ”
              “Yes you bloody will”
              “But I didn’t”
              “Oh yes you could”

              I mean , fuck me. How hard is it to understand your mother tongue?

  11. https://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/54EDBD05E298621018683504A1D6E7C9

    PLAN Z INVESTMENTS

    @DaveG – here is a good start point on this company with regard to Blomfield. You are quite right in what you have said i suspect. It is all very straight forward & this is one of many at the companies office. Seems to me the wagon one has hitched here is somewhat a little behind the pace. The report speaks for itself. I also just took a look at the COA judgement – sure the evidence of the indian guy has not been allowed, but the appeal is still be heard in the future. The evidence of what happened at SAI Distributors is rather damning. But hey whats a lazy $400K between the IRD etc. Look at the role / fees of Grant Thornton ! Hardly the actions of a reputable accountancy firm in NZ.

    • DaveG

       /  2nd December 2015

      Bruce. I wasnt going to raise old issues, but that is the starting point, and the reports from the Liquidator, i can’t remember every date / fact, but from memory, there is more on public record around his thoughts and MB. I wont comment on it, as no doubt Pete will ask for specifics, and i dont have time to look up every file, every date, or get an industrial grade digger……… but beneath that ………..

      I don’t have an issue with GT’s fees, they are well known and published. People know of their fees and likely costs prior to engaging them. They have some good people and GT do some very good work.

      We are also entering into the Striesand effect, where the issue is being kept alive, not what Pete intended and probably not what the subject of the report wanted.

      Oh, and before anyone suggests it. I have never had any association, communications, or conversations at all with the liquidator or anyone else mentioned in the report.

      Perhaps if MikeC can post the abusive comments I made about her family, i can apologise and we can all get on with our day. Or perhaps she might apologise for what are looking like exagerations or false allegations.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  2nd December 2015

        @DaveG, if I might offer some advice. Pick your battles. Loki will deliver his big reveal before you get an apology from PG or his sidekick. Support has come from some surprising quarters. Time to take it on the chin and beat the drums of retreat. There is no dignity in responding to ongoing taunts.
        Chrs, Conspiratoor

        • DaveG

           /  2nd December 2015

          Thank you, tips hat, and…… I’m waiting to move on. Enjoyed the interaction with the , good commentors, you are one of the good ones, farewell. I look forward to reading Loki’s big reveal one day (will read but not comment)

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd December 2015

            Get a thicker skin, Dave. A sense of humour helps too. Anywhere you go in life.

      • @DaveG – this liquidation made it into the NZH and Blomfield made the bold statement he would be getting the liquidator to change his findings as they were wrong. This report from what i can see has not been altered one bit. In terms of the Grant Thornton fees i think you will find that the fee charged was rather large for the work done. Still who knows, but reading the indians s82 statement its pretty interesting. The other interesting point is that John Price a liquidator of many of Blomfields failed companies gave an affidavit but when you read the internal Police report even they think he was coerced. It will be fascinating when it all plays out as to where the chips fall. I just keep thinking and asking myself why the defamation case has not proceeded. And in that i think you find the answer. If Blomfield wants the sources then he will find them during affidavits, submissions and cross examination. So far we have Slater as a journo, his blog as a media site (maybe all blogs – not sure on that) Blomfield has a couple of contempt wins, but i note that the likes of Grant Thornton have not sued for the last lot of stories, and none of the others whom Slater named – lawyers etc have bothered to sue. Certainly is one mans obsession

        • DaveG

           /  2nd December 2015

          Final comment on the MB issue, then farewell. That is the start of the un-packaging. It goes back a bit further when i took an interest. I had loved the marketing and development of Hell, and was interested in their success. At the heart, Powell, a driven and passionatte man who saw things differently and made Hell stand out from the rest. As the Pizza wars drove pizza prices south, Hell increased percieved quality and put prices up backed by great marketing. Good Blue Ocean stuff! In the early days, Blomfield was involved in their marketing and [Edited as per court order]as well, all happily co-existed. That was many many years ago – then things started going wrong, fallouts, etc etc. Hell did not (in my opinion) run into difficulties back then through (just) lack of funds, rather people, which may have impacted on funds. I had years and years of docs i read, thought – its interesting. But, as I have mentioned before, along the lines of…… Its interesting watching the smoke, but look at who is fuelling the fire, why did it start, where did the fuel come from, the original spark. Who is putting it out, who is hiding…. and then as you say, why are the lawyers on the sidelines, or are they assisting others (i dont know that one)

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd December 2015

            Is it fair to say your (professional) interest in marketing is the link to your interest in Hell and consequently those involved? I can see the logic in that.

            • DaveG

               /  2nd December 2015

              Yes, more so than just marketing, the overall Management / strategy, innovation, change, making a difference, how to stand out in a tight market space, how to be successful. I was not that interested in the Hell finances until I observed there were issues (all in the public domain). My local Hell franchisee said their H/O team were amazing brilliant people. Similarly, I followed the rise of Icebreaker AirNZ and many more. The changes under Rob Fyfe were almost chalk and cheese, but its a different type of company, different product, same tight market conditions, amazing leadership.

            • @ DaveG. What is also very interesting, and i think one of the real reasons that Powell no longer lives in NZ, is that when you look at the Hell numbers, you see that in terms of the franchises that each at one point (was a while back) had been owned a total on average of 3.5 X per shop – IE each of the 66 shops had changed hands 3.5 times – so you go do the math on that in terms of fees. Then add in that Hell head office performed its own liquidations with assets sales etc and the numbers are potentially staggering. That also gives reason for the $15M sale price, and subsequent buy back of just $4M. Yes the marketing was cool and edgy, but that did run its course over time as the costumer got bored with the crude marketing.

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  2nd December 2015

              You are soo right there Brucie!

              I always remember the incredible media coverage Hell got with that humongous billboard they parked outside Mark Hotchin’s $40 million mansion in Parasite Drive, announcing the launch of their ‘GREED’ pizza.

              Crude, but effective 🙂

  12. why bother

     /  2nd December 2015

    Oiii MikeC … .over here,

    I am not you and you are not me but only you and I really know that.
    Is that OK cos I am not going to dox myself and say
    Hey my name is Sue! how do you do!
    just to prove to daveG I am not you and you are not me. insert smiley face here dkh

    I have been reading yournz for a year now and liked the vibe
    I have been commenting for maybe a month while healing my broken heart boo hoo
    before all this attack shit started.
    I’ve just got so frustrated with reading 2meke interesting informative comments
    hidden amongst irrelevant rubbishy nasty comments
    with threads being high-jacked by people with a not nice agenda.
    I even started to be ‘not nice’ in my comments to daveg buuutttttt
    daveG condescending ‘yes but I know every fucking thing’ attitude has pissed me off for a few years now and he so adores CS that sometimes he sounds like him
    altho’ he says he has never met him
    has never emailed him
    never phoned him depending on which day you read his comments.
    Catfish bromance if ever there was one

    My mother said the cyberspace is a evil lonely place and to
    “Get the fuck out of your office and go play with real people”

    why bother? yep why indeed
    car key tear a nor

    • Mike C

       /  2nd December 2015

      @WhyBovver

      Oh My God … that is one of the funniest weirdest comments that I have ever read in my whole life. LOL 🙂

      I think that you have just proved beyond reasonable doubt that I am not you and you are not me … because I can only write comments in a certain way … and you might as well have been talking in a foreign language as far as I was concerned … and I am still struggling to interpret what you wrote.

      • Jeeves

         /  2nd December 2015

        Yeah but you need to put up the proof of your accusations against DaveG….or admit you got it wrong.

        • Mike C

           /  2nd December 2015

          @Jeeves

          Yeah … and it appears that you need to get fucked and over yourselfs 🙂

        • I asked this question yesterday – and I didn’t even get a response Jeeves…