Retarded advice to Labour

It’s to be expected to see a lot of advice offered to the Labour Party at The Standard. It’s less expected that this should come from Redbaiter.

The usual Labour flag wavers at The Standard must have been too busy last night to post on the latest Roy Morgan poll, which must be discouraging for Labour supporters who might have been convinced by Chris Trotter that a massive movement was emerging from the TPPA protests.

Labour won’t have been helped by Andrew Little’s odd contortions over the TPPA that offer nothing to the centre vote and nowhere enough for those further to the left.

Since Labour’s very poor election result in September 2014 – 25.13% – they have struggled to recover.

There’s been some glimmers of hope. In sixteen Roy Morgan polls they reached the thirties four times, just: 30, 31, 32 and 31.

Their last six results: 31, 29, 29.5, 28.5, 27.5

Roy Morgan polls can bounce around at times but that’s just a sorry looking slide. Labour got 27.48% in the 2011 election and are still struggling to rebuild.

But Redbaiter has come to their rescue. Colonial Viper posted Roy Morgan: NAT 48.5% (up 1.5%), LAB/GR 41.5% (unch) in the middle of the night, and Reddie has offered them his wisdom.

Really, its long past time that you guys woke up to how Key continues to beat you.

Its not rocket science, yet it appears Labour strategists are completely bereft of any ideas for turning things around.

Why can’t you see the reality that is there in such stark open relief??

Key has moved into your territory. He’s basically kept everything moving along as it was when Helen Clark was PM. He’s moved the National Party left economically and socially.

That’s only part of Key’s plan.

He knows that due to ideological paralysis, the Labour Party will not go right. He knows you will only go further left.

Which gives him his master stroke. He knows (through polling) that the NZ public does not want to go any further left, and will reject any party that tries to take them there. Right now, the NZ public is as far left as they ever want to be.

So there you are, painted into a corner by Key’s cunning strategies and your own intransigence. which he was always counting on, and you have not disappointed him.

Between a rock and a hard place and unable to think of a way out of this entrapment.

There is a way out. You have to adjust to the situation. Just like Key did. Drop the far left and stop them from polluting your public profile. Make your focus jobs and economic improvements by means of reducing red tape and other factors which may be unpalatable to you but not to mainstream NZ.

For a few examples-

Drop the AGW BS. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop the environmental BS. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop opposition to TPPA. Key won. You lost. You’re flogging a dead horse. Let it go. Jobs jobs jobs.
Shut down unnecessary Govt depts. Start with Joyce’s MBEI. Jobs jobs jobs.
Drop all the distracting BS about sexism, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia blah blah blah. Jobs jobs jobs.
Don’t try and buy votes with offers of free stuff. That trick is played out and has reached the end of its use by date. Jobs jobs jobs.

In other words move away from your far left ideological positions and outflank Key by playing him at his own game.

Unpalatable as it is, its the only way you’re going to win an election.

I’ve said this before. It falls on deaf ears. I don’t expect it to be any different this time, but sooner or later, the Labour Party has to make some radical changes or it will be in opposition a long long time.

Just as Key has planned it. As long as you cling to far left strategies, you’re going to be his bitch, and he’s going to continue to laugh at you.

I don’t know if Andrew Little or Matt McCarten will read that and have an epiphany but there’s some fairly obvious truths to what Reddie says, although he may be mistaken about National not going any further left, we’ll see in this year’s budget how National fulfils a in addressing ‘poverty’.

Merriam-Webster on epiphany:

a moment in which you suddenly see or understand something in a new or very clear way

Even if a miracle occurs and that happens amongst Labour’s strategists they have painted themselves into a very difficult corner. Not even their education bribe has helped their paltry poll position.

Urban Dictionary Top Definition: epiphany

a smart-sounding word for realizing you’ve been practically retarded for quite some time. I wonder if a retard could have an epiphany.

That might easily have applied to Reddie in the past but he almost sounds sensible at The Standard so would be harsh on him.

And as for Labour, there’s no sign of any realization yet.

Urban Dictionary Top Definition: retarded

To be tarded twice..

John who is tarded.. is now retarded

Labour looked tarded in their first term in opposition.

They slipped in their second term, retarded perhaps:

characterized by a slowness or limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness (Dictionary.com)

And Urban Dictionary has a third term term: Reretarded

When one who was previously retarded, becomes retarded again.

There’s time for Labour to turn things around before next year’s election. Merriam-Webster has some suggestions for the opposite of retard:

drive, encourage, goad, propel, push, spur, stir, urge; advance, aid, dispatch, ease, expedite, facilitate, forward, further, help

And Redbaiter has offered some of that.

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49 Comments

  1. Kevin

     /  20th February 2016

    This from “Mirovax”

    “miravox 3.2
    20 February 2016 at 6:28 am
    There’s no point in that. Then Labour would be National.

    I’m in the Left sphere for all those ‘few examples’ and more.

    I’m not in it to be National.

    Although I think your ‘buying votes’ is simply left-leaning policy for previously ignored groups that you reluctantly acknowledge are worthwhile – so much so that National does it too.”

    It’s certainly not the first time something like that’s been said and IIRC correctly there has been at least one thread done on this theme with The Standardistas all in agreement.

    So in other words they would rather be powerless but with their principles intact than compromise and gain power.

    Slater is right. Labour has been taken over by led-wing radicals and extremists.

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  2. Sir Cullen's Sidekick

     /  20th February 2016

    Please Labour, announce more tax and spend policies. Kiwis will then vote for you.

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    • kittycatkin

       /  20th February 2016

      If Sir Cullen is Michael Cullen, he would be ‘Sir Michael’, niot ‘Sir Cullen’.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th February 2016

        Sir Cullen’s Sidekick has had his moniker for years, kitty. I don’t think he will be changing it.

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        • kittycatkin

           /  20th February 2016

          (groans)

          I also can’t believe how often people get it wrong when a man is knighted, which makes his wife Lady Surname, not Lady Firstname-unless she’s a peer’s daughter like Lady Diana Spence and has a title in her own right.

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        • Timoti

           /  20th February 2016

          He’s lost his horse.

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  3. Dawson

     /  20th February 2016

    I don’t think I would use the word “retarded” like that in a public forum. I realise people sometimes use it in a flippant manner in verbal conversation, but the fact is it does hurt some people’s feelings.

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    • If terms that could potentially hurt some people’s feelings were excluded from public forums it would more than decimate discussion (decimate is only one tenth).

      I think that the Roy Morgan poll result will hurt more feelings than the use of ‘retarded’ in a political context. Sometimes reality is hurtful.

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    • Brown

       /  20th February 2016

      Yes, such a hurtful word requires a trigger warning for those who act like they are retarded.

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    • Dawson

       /  20th February 2016

      Never advocated for a trigger warning, just against low quality blogging. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t write that something was “gay” (in the sense of if being “bad”).

      Using a less derogatory term wouldn’t detract from the ability to express a view in a robust way. What does belittling people with (for example) Downs Syndrome add to the debate?

      I think you have let your readers down.

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      • I don’t see ‘retarded’ as being in any way connected with people with Downs Syndrome. It may have been in the past but language use keeps changing.

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        • Dawson

           /  20th February 2016

          That suggests that your grasp of the English language as it is commonly used is not great. Here’s a primer for you:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retard_(pejorative)

          Seems the decent thing to do would be to change he headline, but “your blog, your rules.”

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          • Pantsdownbrown

             /  20th February 2016

            Dawson: Off your high horse and actually look at the way the word is used in the article – it is neither demeaning to people with Downs syndrome or any other person with disability. Context here is everything.

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            • Dawson

               /  20th February 2016

              Thanks for ablesplaining that for me

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  20th February 2016

              @ Dawson

              My mother often refers to my huzband as “retarded”, so just to put it in context, I looked it up in the dictionary :

              1. A term used to refer to someone acting in an irritating or generally offensive way.

              2. A person with an IQ below 70 and who is impaired in normal, social, or occupational functioning.

              3. A typo of the word ‘regards’ which can get you in some serious shit at work.

              4. 90% of people on the internet.

              🙂

            • kittycatkin

               /  20th February 2016

              Retarded may literally mean delayed, but it’s disingenuous to claim that it hasn’t narrowed its meaning so that it’s generally now used as a synonym for intellectually handicapped or as a puerile insult to someone who isn’t but whom the speaker wants to imply is. I would say that most people now think of that when they see or hear it. There are many other words that could be used that would be unambiguous and not loaded with this meaning. .

            • kittycatkin

               /  20th February 2016

              Spastic has a literal, medical meaning, but I would think that most people would think of it in the derogatory way that it has come to be used, even if they would never use it thus themselves. King James is reputed to have said that St Paul’s Cathedral was awful and artificial, but most of us now would not think of those words as they were used then and refer to a great work of architecture by them. Nobody would be very flattered if someone called their house grotesque, although it would once have been a compliment-if it had been in a particular artistic style.

              I bet that everyone who heard that someone had passed out would think that they’d fainted, but in the 19th century it simply meant going out, as in leaving the room.

            • kittycatkin

               /  20th February 2016

              Fond (King Lear said ‘I am a very foolish, fond old man.’) has changed its shade of meaning; the two words meant more or less the same thing, then, Nice and silly have also changed-who now uses silly to mean prosperous or blessed, or nice to mean finicky, fussy and/or precise, except in the sense of ‘legal niceties’ ?

              I think that retarded has gone too far in its single meaning as an adjective to be reclaimed, although it’s still used as a verb as it was originally intended to be used,

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  20th February 2016

        I disapprove of the attempts to prune the English language by affirming insults. Just because a word is used to insult someone doesn’t mean it shouldn’t or can’t be used for its original meaning and purpose. To do otherwise is to give destructive power to the insulter that should not be ceded.

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      • Kevin

         /  20th February 2016

        If you want non-offensive and sanitised go read The Australian Woman’s Weekly or Ladies Home Journal.

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        • Dawson

           /  20th February 2016

          And casual sexism too!

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          • Iceberg

             /  20th February 2016

            Looks to me like the Internet might be the wrong place for you. What other words or phrases would you like banned so that you stop having your feelings hurt?

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          • Kevin

             /  20th February 2016

            Sweetie, if I was going for casual sexism I would have said Ladies Home Journal – How to make your man happen edition.

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  4. Timoti

     /  20th February 2016

    “He knows that due to ideological paralysis, the Labour Party will not go right. He knows you will only go further left.”

    From my perspective, to break that paradigm, Labour will need a new leader and will need to jettison both old and new wood who can’t make the transition. Little is owned by the Unions.so that rules out any major changes until he is gone.

    Be a devil, Labour……roll Little now. Honestly, you have nothing to lose. Otherwise us Righties will start feeling guilty about bashing the defenceless.

    Some good news though. Those polls are bound to dip for National, sooner or later. There is a small glimmer of hope..

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    • Mike C

       /  20th February 2016

      @Timoti

      Yeap … Little is long overdue for being rolled … because he’s been there for nearly 18 months.

      It appears that he has managed to bore all of his colleagues and party members into submission. LOL 🙂

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      • Kevin

         /  20th February 2016

        He’s a union guy and Labour is in the control of the unions.

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        • Mike C

           /  20th February 2016

          @Kevin

          If the Unions and Activists like Bradbury and Carolan continue to think they are in charge of the Labour Party and Left Wing … then it’s just gonna be “Three More Years” of National. LOL 🙂

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          • Kevin

             /  20th February 2016

            Basically the unions get more votes meaning they have more of a say and more power when it comes to deciding who the Labour leader is etc

            The way things are looking it’s three more years of National at the very least. You don’t win battles fighting from the edges.

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      • Timoti

         /  20th February 2016

        “Yeap … Little is long overdue for being rolled … because he’s been there for nearly 18 months.”

        LoL…that’s a millennium in Labour time. They certainly march to a different drumbeat.

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    • Blazer

       /  20th February 2016

      so apart from indebting NZ for 120 billion to give a veneer that everythings mighty fine and dandy what has this administration done policy wise that makes NZ a better place…Uncle?

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  5. I don’t think “jobs, jobs, jobs” is the right mantra. There’s lots of work out there. Better wages, rising wages, pay increases’ are what Labour should push.

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    • Labour are already trying their ‘future of work’ strategy as their big policy thing – but then came out with free tertiary education as their first policy on it. Odd.

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      • Pantsdownbrown

         /  20th February 2016

        I think it should have been called the ‘back to the future’ work policy. But then again what do you expect from a group that label themselves as ‘progressive’ when their policies want us to go back in time to the ‘good ole days’………..

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      • artcroft

         /  20th February 2016

        Is that their 3 years free uni study starting in 2025. Sank like a stone as far as I can see. It doesn’t excite me or anyone I know. However pay increases have been in short supply for a long time. A potential bigger wage packet would get a lot of middle income earners talking about Labour I reckon.

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  6. Pantsdownbrown

     /  20th February 2016

    A quick look through the Standard comments and the same old chestnuts come up like the media are to blame etc etc. Saying Winston would join with the Greens and Labour in a possible govt is probably wishful thinking as well.

    It will never happen but Labour need to take back it’s party from the minority interest groups that have hijacked it in recent years and be less beholden to the union movement. The only way I can see this happening is if the more economically palatable centre-left portion of the party break away and start their own party thus eating into some of National’s centre support. Then they, the old Labour party, and the Greens go into govt together with the general public confident the new Labour party can keep the more extreme policies of the other two in check. A new Labour party would also be likely to provide a more appealing PM possibility compared to the stoic, sour old unionist Andrew Little portrays.

    Otherwise it is sit back and wait for Key to resign and then hope the crap Labour offer up is better than the crap National can muster.

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    • Kevin

       /  20th February 2016

      Surprisingly, CV actually gets it:

      “Colonial Viper 5.1.1
      20 February 2016 at 8:02 am
      The more the Political Left tell 48% of Kiwis that they can go get fucked, and particularly the majority of Kiwis in provincial/regional NZ (where National support tends to be very strong) to go get fucked, the more the Left is lost at sea.”

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      • Kevin your message is lost in your obscenity. We do not need you to say the F word, on this blog, how about saying get “nicked” or get ‘stuffed’ or “go to hell”? Unfortunately use of obscenities has become too common in NZ, but it does not ever strengthen a case or a comment.

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    • Only problem with that strategy is the Old and New Labour parties would be full of people who LOATHE and HATE each other….any coalition of such parties who be arguing endlessly about policy minutiae and stabbing each other in the back in front of the Media… who be great popcorn viewing but just wouldn’t be very stable … in my jaundiced view anyway

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  7. Rob

     /  20th February 2016

    That has to be the most intelligent thing I’ve ever seen Redbaiter say.

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  8. Blazer

     /  20th February 2016

    Don’t buy redbaiters line at all.Tweedle dee and tweedledumb.Labour needs to sing from the same songsheet,Goff and Shearer are prize cunts re the TPPA.Clear simple,compelling messages and consistency are required.Attacking Key doesn’t work,being non commital doesn’t either.’Whats the alternative…how will Labour make things better?Simplicity a few big policies.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  20th February 2016

      Labour is missing two Key ingredients, Blazer: brains and knowledge. I don’t think you can help.

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      • Blazer

         /  20th February 2016

        you’re half way there Wilkie.

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        • Test post – why can’t I post on this topic? (rhetorical) Five attempts = Zilch

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          • Sixth time lucky … Musta been my cookies?
            Here’s my comment –

            “Eagle all gone and no more Caribou
            Jobs, jobs, jobs
            People all boned and no higher Wages too
            Jobs, jobs, jobs
            God speed Mother Nature …..
            I never really wanted to say goodbye”
            – Guess Who

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