Waatea 5th Estate tonight

Waatea 5th Estate kicks off at 7:01 pm tonight.

Launching 7.01pm tonight live streamed on thedailyblog.nz, waateanews.org and simulcast on Face TV Sky 83. We launch tonight with the politics, economics and sovereignty issues of the TPPA.  

I’ll add some thoughts if the streaming works.

http://www.waateanews.com/Waatea+TV.html

Can’t get it going there or at The Daily Blog. Ok, running at The Daily Blog now.

Hosted by Willie Jackson and Martyn Bradbury.

Featuring Marama Fox – Maori Party MP.

Bradbury asks Fox if Key was gutless (and more) not going to Waitangi. Cowardly now, Bradbury keeps pushing.

The Treaty clause – Jackson says “it’s not a bad clause” but Kelsey says there are many problems with it. And conceptual problems.

Fox points out the problems with the Government being responsible for defending Treaty obligations.

Kelsey – the concern is “the chilling effect”.

Fox wants distribution of wealth but that’s separate to a trade agreement.

Bradbury keeps feeding Kelsey talking points, no questioning of her at all.

At least Jackson asks her questions, but that just hands another talking point to Kelsey.

I’ve heard most of this before, having been to a Kelsey meeting.

Fox says that the whanau think there will be benefits from the TPPA, “everyone loves their stuff”.

Jackson: “the mainstream are listening to Key”.

Kelsey claims that people attack her because they are losing.

Fox chucks one back at Jackson and Bradbury damning attack politics, saying both of them have done quite a bit of attacking of the Maori Party.

To Fox: “can national take the Maori Party vote for granted” – Fox: “absolutely not”.

Kelsey doesn’t think the Maori Party can get any wins in time on the TPPA.

Kelsey “the internal dissension inside the Labour Party is going to cause them real problems”.

Kelsey is really optimistic about the groundswell and mobilisation and she thinks democracy is being reclaimed and Tino Rangatiratanga is being reasserted.

And that’s the end of it.

Jackson and Fox were ok at times, trying to explore and take different slants, but it was inevitable that Bradbury and Kelsey were so much on the same side that little of note would come from them.

Another one tomorrow night. I wonder how wide ranging that will be.

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  1. Mike C

     /  22nd February 2016

    @George

    So it’s pretty much official then … Bradburys latest venture is going to be as successful as his past ones.

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  2. Oliver

     /  22nd February 2016

    Jane Kelsey is claiming main stream media deliberately ignored her strongest arguments on TPPA. And that the media is deliberately spreading pro TPPA fiction to undermine opposition.

    It’s definitely plausible when you consider the media is run by corporations that have close ties to KEY and his business cronies.

    Is it safe to call this corruption? I think so.

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    • It’s also plausible the the mainstream media don’t buy her slant.

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      • Oliver

         /  22nd February 2016

        It’s not their job to filter out information that don’t match their agenda. How can they call themselves the media, it’s disgraceful. We need a taxpayer funded non profit media outlet.

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    • Oliver, your comment is entirely in character. Your claim to give authenticity to Kelsey’s comment is laughable as was her comments. Indeed it is the duty of all journalists to filter out the deficient and immature statements which push a political point of view such as yours and Kelsey. One wonders if you are in the employ of a Labour party member or a Labour MP. Can you truthfully discount that?

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      • Oliver

         /  22nd February 2016

        If you want to live in a fascist state BJ then why don’t you move to North Korea.

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        • Itake your response to be an agreement with my contention. I have actually fought on active servise against communist fascism. Where were you?

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          • Oliver

             /  22nd February 2016

            So you killed innocent people because they didn’t share your ideology. Yeah I wouldn’t go around bragging about that.

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            • Iceberg

               /  22nd February 2016

              Over in the real world Oliver there are bad people with guns. One day you will hopefully be able to cut through all your Liberal angst, and be respectful, if not thankful, for those that confront them on our behalf.

            • Oliver

               /  22nd February 2016

              What makes you think I haven’t? Have you?

            • Blazer

               /  22nd February 2016

              ‘there are bad people with guns’…how can we know who are the ‘goodies’ and who are the ‘baddies’…..Mr Bush?

          • Blazer

             /  22nd February 2016

            ‘communist fascism’…so where was that…Walter Mitty?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2016

              It was a major war, Blazer, and BJM had a leadership position. Your insults are demeaning, but most of all to yourself.

            • Oliver

               /  22nd February 2016

              I’ve been to war regrettably, I was young and dumb. But my experience made me see first hand how b.s. war is. So anyone saying that war is a good thing has never been obviously. Not taking away anything from our serviceman, But war isn’t something thing to be proud about.

            • Iceberg

               /  23rd February 2016

              You’re a piece of work. Total bullshit.

            • Blazer

               /  22nd February 2016

              I can’t think of a fascist communist he would be fighting against…looks like no one can.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2016

              I suspect BJM was mainly referring to your description of communist North Korea as fascist. He also fought the communists.

      • Rob

         /  23rd February 2016

        “Indeed it is the duty of all journalists to filter out the deficient and immature statements which push a political point of view such as yours and Kelsey.’ No it’s not, because then they are putting their own slant on it by removing what was actually said, immature or not. They can comment and call it what they like, but removing portions, thats cherrypicking to suit their own agenda.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  22nd February 2016

      I think it is safer to call it b.s. However you could identify the missing arguments and we could verify that the mainstream media have suppressed them. Interestingly she must have suppressed them herself since the Herald gave her her own column to list them in – and what she presented was a heap of crap.

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      • Oliver

         /  22nd February 2016

        She says the Herald censored parts of her column.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd February 2016

          No doubt it was ranting abuse, then. But I await your detailing of what has been suppressed, and hers given her freedom to express them on barmy Bradbury’s self indulgence.

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  3. Oliver

     /  22nd February 2016

    I have to say it’s quite refreshing having media that doesn’t have a corporate agenda. This is what freedom of speech is all about. Looking forward to the next episode.

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    • Oliver, that does not let you off the hook. Identify your background.

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  22nd February 2016

      If Kelsey had any integrity she wouldn’t keep holding out her hand for more taxpayer money from (what she thinks is) a corrupt govt………that won’t happen though, once a trougher always a trougher.

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      • Maxwell: Oh no Chief, not the Cone of Trougher!

        Roughly to the tune of “I’m a Lumberjack” (Monty Python)

        She drives a car
        Flys in a plane
        She’s got a cushy job
        She must be a Big Trougher
        And a Lefty Commie Rob-ber

        Coz I’m a Blunderbuss and I’m Okay
        I judge all night and I judge all day

        If she was in the dole queue
        She’d be a Trougher too
        They’re all just God damned Troughers
        Like the dildo thrower who …
        Nursed me in I C U …

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  22nd February 2016

          Sorry to blow your cover, PZ, but nurse Josie Butler works at Hillmorten Hospital, formerly Sunnyside, which is a mental health institution. ICU nurses are specialists and you won’t find an ICU there. In fact it may be embarrassing to reveal you have been nursed by her.

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          • @ Alan – Oh, so Josie Butler is a specialist too? I’d say she’s a human relations ‘artist’ as well as a medical nurse ‘scientist’, highly qualified.

            You’d probably say her being a mental health nurse just makes her even more of a trougher? Who needs mental health? Just get over it eh …

            Doesn’t really matter. They should have just popped her at Waitangi.

            To paraphrase Woody Allen, lines delivered by Humphrey Bogart in ‘Play it Again Sam’ –

            Bogart [voice] : There’s only two things a protester understands. One’s a long spell in prison; the other’s a slug from a .45

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2016

              Wouldn’t know or care too much about any of that, PZ. I just know she is not an ICU specialist.

              It’s tempting to suspect she is a nutter dealing with nutters but that would not be very PC would it?

            • Blazer

               /  22nd February 2016

              you are way out of line here.Calling medical professionals ‘nutters’ is pretty low.

            • Incredibly literal too Alan, when the illusion was more literary. Drafted very quickly I’ll admit. I wanted to catch Pantsdown before he went all “hippie” again tonight.

              I think its called ‘didacticism’ and undercutting one’s own position for effect, e.g. Yes, she’s a dildo throwing ‘trougher’ but … Oh, that’s right, she saved my son’s life …

              Nothing to do with PC. You make that sort of inference all the time about Lefties and All & Sundry really!

              Don’t hold back … Go for it!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2016

              Naive, Blazer. Mental health professionals have always had some rather peculiar members. Her actions at Waitangi suggest she qualifies.

              PZ, of course I saw what you did there so I undercut your undercut – with the truth.

              I don’t call her a trougher though. Mental health work is certainly not troughing.

            • “The truth can never be told so as to be understood; and not be believed” – William Blake

              I don’t believe you. Taking the rhyme “I C U” literally in that situation is not to “undercut my undercut” at all, it’s to strike at my ankles with a rope which I easily skipped over …

              Never mind Alan, you win some, you lose some eh?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  22nd February 2016

              PZ, I am mortified that you don’t believe me, and you attack my nutter detection with another nutter – William Blake. Then you fancy yourself as a skipper? A likely story. A patient of dread nurse Butler at Hillmorten more likely.

  4. artcroft

     /  22nd February 2016

    Interesting the Kelsey identifies dissension problems in Labour. She’s well placed to know and that brings a smile to my face.

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