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3 March 2016

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  1. Klik Bate

     /  3rd March 2016

    Only 3 minutes…..

    Amazing video the country was never supposed to see!

    Secretary of State John Kerry introduces Admiral Ace Lyons to speak at a private meeting. He probably regrets doing so.

    LINK MAY NOT LAST LONG!

    http://www.liveleak.com/II_embed?f=51fe948515b4

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    • MrMan

       /  3rd March 2016

      It’s gone. But I assume it’s this….(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP8_ctvQuvg)

      Old man lists all the wars he would have had if only the lily-livered hadn’t of got in his way.

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      • Klik Bate

         /  3rd March 2016

        That’s it – cheers mate.

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      • OMG. Couldn’t be much plainer than that, could it? It’s okay though, a woman of colour has now been appointed a 4 star admiral; Michelle Howard –

        (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPNJgPousYg)

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        • kiwi guy

           /  3rd March 2016

          No wonder the US is losing more and more conflicts.

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          • Women commanders are to blame you reckon KG? The idea of a woman Commander-in-Chief must horrify you then? President Hilary Clinton. (Please don’t use your disgusting pet name for her)

            But look, in war it’s quite simple really, and one would think the US might have learned this already? If you create a war, you are now in the position of either winning or losing it. So better to negotiate peace if possible and to cultivate international relations conducive to peace.

            It doesn’t make trillions for the arms industry but surely they could find something else to do?

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            • kiwi guy

               /  3rd March 2016

              “Women commanders are to blame you reckon KG? ”

              Marine Corps Study: All-Male Combat Units Performed Better Than Mixed Units

              http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units

              Females are a burden. You DO NOT want them hanging around when you got serious shit to sort out.

              Name all the female great generals in World History.

              Wymmin in the military is just more feminizing of Western culture.

              Like with quotas for fire fighters, females are physically inferior and get given safe cushy high pay positions while its men who do all the heavy lifting and risk their lives.

              Feminism installs Female Primacy NOT equality – lesbians are after the money and power being the narcissistic hormone unbalanced freaks they are.

    • Gezza

       /  3rd March 2016

      I’d say the writer has eaten the wrong type of mushroom. That’s one of the weirdest articles I’ve ever seen.

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  2. Nelly Smickers

     /  3rd March 2016

    Interesting to note that the GCSB are one of the guvmint departments to have adopted the latest provisions to allow staff ’10 days paid leave should they suffer from Domestic Violence’.

    One would have thought that they at least, might have been a little more circumspect in their employment vetting procedures 😦

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    • Oliver

       /  3rd March 2016

      Have you got a link?

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        • Oliver

           /  3rd March 2016

          I wonder if men will be elligible for this. I had a girl friend years ago who use to hit me. Does that count as domestic violence?

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          • kittycatkin

             /  3rd March 2016

            Yes, it does if it was not smacks done in fun-I mean if it was done to hurt.

            I know of several cases where the violence was done by the woman, but people who knew about it did nothing. One of the men was a big man who could have done some serious damage if he’d returned the compliment. It is suspected but can’t be proved that a friend, an elderly man who was sucked into marriage by a younger woman, was on the receiving end of physical abuse as well as just about every other kind. He did end up living apart from her, having lost his house, savings and been isolated from friends and family.

            I made a complaint about the Dodge ad that showed a man being screamed at and hit (and hit quite hard) by a woman as he drove along. If it had been a man shouting abuse at and hitting a woman as she drove, the ad would never have been let to be put on, I imagine.

            It’s sadly true that as Greg Newbold said, a woman with a black eye given to her by a man is an object of pity, a man with a black eye given to him by a woman is an object of mirth.

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            • Mike C

               /  3rd March 2016

              @Kitty

              Did you take Kiwi Guys comment to you … saying “You big Pussy” … to be an insult … given your Pseudonym?

              [He wasn’t replying to kittycatkin. And I don’t need you to go round questioning moderation. I suggest you just let it happen and learn something from it. PG]

          • kiwi guy

             /  3rd March 2016

            You big pussy.

            [This is a nasty attack, especially on a topic such as domestic violence. Don’t do it again. PG]

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  3rd March 2016

            No, Oliver. Listening to your nonsense would make anyone want to hit you.

            Your girl friend was just trying to defend her sanity.

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  3. Oliver

     /  3rd March 2016

    Here’s an eye opening doco

    ‘Animal agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation, water consumption and pollution, is responsible for more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry, and is a primary driver of rainforest destruction, species extinction, habitat loss, topsoil erosion, ocean “dead zones,” and virtually every other environmental ill. Yet it goes on, almost entirely unchallenged.

    As Andersen approaches leaders in the environmental movement, he increasingly uncovers what appears to be an intentional refusal to discuss the issue of animal agriculture, while industry whistleblowers and watchdogs warn him of the risks to his freedom and even his life if he dares to persist.

    As eye-opening as Blackfish and as inspiring as An Inconvenient Truth, this shocking yet humorous documentary reveals the absolutely devastating environmental impact large-scale factory farming has on our planet, and offers a path to global sustainability for a growing population.’

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    • kittycatkin

       /  3rd March 2016

      People have been saying this for many years, but I can’t see any quick-fix solution and none ever seems to be offered.

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  3rd March 2016

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      • Oliver

         /  3rd March 2016

        Get prepared to know everything about Crowe including his finances. The msm is all over it. At least they can stop going on about Lomu.

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        • Mike C

           /  3rd March 2016

          @Oliver

          What do you know about Martin Crowe’s finances ???

          To be honest … I don’t care what slurs are made about him … I will still consider him to be a Sporting Legend 🙂

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          • Oliver

             /  3rd March 2016

            I wouldn’t say he was a legend. A decent cricketer but not great.

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  4. @ Oliver – Plenty of interesting facts in this comparison of plant-based, lactovegitarian and animal protein diet and food production. Skim reading it I couldn’t find the production per acre or hectare figures I was looking for but they may be there somewhere.

    “This [animal protein] energy input is more than 11 times greater than that for grain protein production, which is about 2.2 kcal of fossil energy input per 1 kcal of plant protein produced (Table 4⇓). This is for corn and assumes 9% protein in the corn. Animal protein is a complete protein based on its amino acid profile and has about 1.4 times the biological value of grain protein.”

    “Producing 1 kg of animal protein requires about 100 times more water than producing 1 kg of grain protein (8). Livestock directly uses only 1.3% of the total water used in agriculture. However, when the water required for forage and grain production is included, the water requirements for livestock production dramatically increase.”

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/3/660S.full

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    • Oliver

       /  3rd March 2016

      Eventually we will have to dramatically reduce meat consumption because it will be impossible to keep up with the demand. What’s most concerning is the impact to the environment, meat and dairy production is the most damaging thing to our environment. You can’t call yourself an environmentalist if you eat meat. If we stop eating meat and dairy we would put an end to climate change and we would be able to feed everyone on the planet for many years to come.

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      • kiwi guy

         /  3rd March 2016

        The problem is overpopulation not the tastiest food option.

        Third Worlders need to stop breeding like rabbits.

        Roast lamb done with rosemary, honey, garlic and salt. Yummy!

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        • Yes KG, and we First Worlders, who think we’re so superior, need to create, foster and otherwise encourage – without forcibly imposing – the ‘appropriate’ economic conditions in Third World countries whereby people do not see the need to “breed like rabbits”?

          Maybe redirecting some of the multi-trillions spent on militarism each year into development can help? Maybe the First World can learn a few lessons from Third World sustainability, where it successfully exists?

          I can make you a really excellent TVP cutlet with mint sauce that’ll satisfy your wolfish “little lamb” taste buds and appetite without adding fatty cholestoral narrowing the arteries around your heart.

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      • Dougal

         /  3rd March 2016

        I dispair..We stop eating animals and the world is saved? What happened to the planet before we started eating them? There must have been millions of huge herbivores and carnivores, masses of whales and fish. Do you think out your arguments before you post this stuff?

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        • Oliver

           /  3rd March 2016

          Meat consumption isn’t sustainable anymore. It’s more practical to turn to vegetarianism. It’s not a question of whether or not meat is bad for your health, it’s a question of how are we going to feed everyone. The evidence is telling us that meat is not going to be an option. We need to start eating plants based foods. Cattle consume more food then humans therefore it makes no sense to continue breeding cattle for food. I’m sure they can make plant based hamburgers that taste like the real thing.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  3rd March 2016

            Just become a cannibal, Oliver. Solves your Lefty population problem and your imaginary food problem in one fell stroke.

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            • Oliver

               /  3rd March 2016

              Old selfish Wilky. You don’t care about the welfare of your grandchildren. It’s their problem not yours right? They will face hardships you never knew existed.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd March 2016

              B.s. Oliver. They will have options, technology and knowledge we could never imagine existed. Think back 100 years (or just think).

            • Oliver

               /  3rd March 2016

              We have the knowledge now but no one is doing anything about it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd March 2016

              More complete b.s. We have absolutely no idea of what knowledge, technologies and options they will have. Moreover the knowledge we have now is being used to take billions of people out of poverty and feed them better than ever.

            • Jeeves

               /  3rd March 2016

              They can eat their iPhone90s.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd March 2016

              @Jeeves, probably, because they’ll be bio-engineered by then.

          • Dougal

             /  3rd March 2016

            Utter rubbish Oliver. Is that the phone I hear? Yes, it’s for you, it’s Coromandel calling and Jeanette Fitzsimons want’s her mantra back!

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        • @ Dougal – Despair only for your own perception. Anyone, including Oliver, seeing the negative implications of something, critiquing it, such as, “there are significant and largely unacknowledged problems with animal agriculture” does not in any way whatsoever equate to “give up animal agriculture and the world is saved”. This is what’s called a biased quantum leap of Pantsdownbrown proportions. 😉

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        • jamie

           /  4th March 2016

          “Do you think out your arguments before you post this stuff?”

          You may want to apply that criticism to yourself, Dougal. The animals we farm for food are bred by us in the numbers we require, where and when we require them.

          Your suggestion that we are just keeping up with some sort of naturally occurring phenomena is ludicrous.

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  5. Wow, what a day? ‘Coronation Street’ creator Tony Warren dies aged 79 –

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/02/coronation-street-creator-tony-warren-dies

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    • Mike C

       /  3rd March 2016

      @Partisan

      Gee … Tony Warren must have only been in his early 20’s when he created Coro Street.

      That’s amazing 🙂

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      • @ Mike C – I think Tony Warren might have only been 19 when he won a 13 episode contract to write Coro Streets first series. 🙂

        Of the Aotearoa-New Zealand I have discerned today, these guys wrote the song. Are you there Robby? Possum? Rob? Anyone?

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  3rd March 2016

          Heya Parti
          That was great …. 6 seconds in a leaky boat is enough for me. What a free era that was … I love Split Enz when they got to their abstract colour mash up stage. Kool. Kiwi boyz gotta love them. Got anything else?

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  6. Sure have Possum toku hoa. The strangest song ever written …

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    • And maybe the happiest ….

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      • And maybe the most awesome harmony trio ….

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        • And, well, some things are just better ‘live’ in the flesh …

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          • And yes Possum, I think you’ll agree, life really is better lived ‘live’ …

            What I wouldn’t give to see Neil Young in concert …

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  4th March 2016

              Oh yea that would be head banging rocking crazy … live.
              Tumeke sounds … I love the sound of live music!
              Neil and Crazy horse.

            • RIP THE BAG !!!! Possum, Neil Young is a ROCK GOD! That clip’s got everything, including a temporary failure of his guitar … But he just carries on … he’s just so TOTALLY THERE !!! I love this!

          • Pickled Possum

             /  4th March 2016

            When things are a little clearer in the light of the day …
            Sky Rockets in flight … afternoon delight.
            @ Three degrees awesum … Precious moments what great music
            #BIG hair lol
            Thanks Parti

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  3rd March 2016

      Captain Howdy lives in all of us … real strange song Lol
      Love the rolling stones ‘ I saw a red door.’
      @ Cowsills the tripping song? I love the flowers ..
      a song from your flower power days Parti 🙂
      Very Happy song.

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      • Ae Possum, Cowsills and cowslips from the days of innocence … Before Captain Howdy!
        “So when Captain Howdy comes into your room, just say “Howdy Captain Howdy maaan, I didn’t expect you so soon!” It is such a wierd song. So strange I just love it.
        I’m not getting my writing done … now let me see, where am I up to? Ah yes, “contestable funding” …

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  4th March 2016

          Ok Parti 🙂
          Will leave you to your mahi
          Thanks toku e hoa
          Night and Peace.

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