Bombs in Brussels

A reminder of the continual threat of terrorism in Europe with three reported bomb blasts in Brussels, with a current reported death toll of 34, and many more serious injuries.

There were two blasts at Zaventem Airport in Brussels, and one train was bombed at Malbeek Metro Station.

Around 35 killed in Brussels attacks claimed by IS

A series of explosions claimed by the Islamic State group ripped through Brussels airport and a metro train Tuesday, killing around 35 people in the latest attacks to bring bloody carnage to the heart of Europe.

Two huge blasts, at least one of which prosecutors said was likely caused by a suicide bomber, rocked the check-in hall at Zaventem Airport, strewing the scene with blood and mangled bodies and sending hundreds of terrified travellers fleeing in terror.

More than 200 people were wounded in Tuesday’s bloodshed, which came just four days after the dramatic arrest in Brussels of Salah Abdeslam — the prime suspect in the Paris attacks — after four months on the run.

An online news agency affiliated with IS said the group was behind the attacks.

“Islamic State fighters carried out a series of bombings with explosive belts and devices on Tuesday, targeting an airport and a central metro station in the centre of the Belgian capital Brussels, a country participating in the international coalition against the Islamic State,” the Aamaq news agency said.

I don’t think ISIS involvement has been confirmed yet.

Belgium had a close association with terror attacks in France last year.

This will raise the fear levels again. With travellers being targeted it will have an impact on tourism as well as on Belgium itself.

 

 

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  1. Missy

     /  23rd March 2016

    “I don’t think ISIS involvement has been confirmed yet.”

    Pete, ISIS claimed responsibility earlier today. It has been reported by all major news outlets.
    According to news outlets here Belgian authorities believe the perpetrators were members of the immigrant community – the same one that concealed the Paris attackers. There is no doubt this is an ISIS attack, and in revenge for the capture of the Paris attacker the other day. Islamists at it again, police presence in London has increased and I have seen police in streets where they don’t normally patrol on foot.

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  2. ISIS was confirmed on the attacks via The Guardian.

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  3. Nelly Smickers

     /  23rd March 2016

    We can only Pray to God that our own borders are being well protected against allowing entry to the same people responsible for hellish acts like this…..

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4e_1458633182

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    • kiwi guy

       /  23rd March 2016

      Praying won’t save you from stupid mass immigration policies that replace the white population with Vibrants from 3rd World hellholes.

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      • MaureenW

         /  23rd March 2016

        Yes, poor old God, one side praying NZ borders are well protected, the other side praying for a continuation of the “look the other way” policies adopted through the west since last September when that picture of the drowned boy was front-paged through all western media. What’s God to do – Spin the Bottle?

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      • Mefrostate

         /  23rd March 2016

        How would you have dealt with the refugee crisis, o wise kiwi guy?

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        • kiwi guy

           /  23rd March 2016

          You still peddling lies about white nz population % growing?

          Why do feminists have such a hard time with basic stats?

          [Wide accusation deleted – you’re generalising far too much. If you have specific claims against specific people or groups of people backed by credible evidence then make your point reasonably, but stop dishing out blanket attacks when they’re not justified.

          Feminism covers many aspects from mild to extreme, and attacking all with some narrow examples that don’t apply is not acceptable. PG]

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  4. kiwi guy

     /  23rd March 2016

    Trump called Brussels a hellhole only a couple of months ago and all the anti Trump pro mass immigration crowd hated on him ( “rayciss!, fashist!” ) and went into a state of denial about the issue like they always do:

    “Donald Trump is facing ridicule from the heart of the European Union after referring to Brussels as a “hellhole.”

    The remark made during an interview with Fox News triggered a wave of ironic Twitter postings on Wednesday, with many Brussels residents using the #hellhole hashtag alongside beautiful views of the Belgian capital’s ancient streets and parks, or of its renowned cuisine and artisan beer.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-27/trump-hellhole-attack-on-belgium-elicits-patriotic-reaction

    Yet again Trump demonstrates he understands the political reality while the Leftist haters blinded by their Marxist derived ideology are a slow moving train wreck.

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    • Brown

       /  23rd March 2016

      Settle down KG. The kebabs in Brussels are the best outside the middle east and surely that diversity makes it all worth while?

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      • Iceberg

         /  23rd March 2016

        There doesn’t appear to be much diversity in the the faith of suicide bombers.

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        • kiwi guy

           /  23rd March 2016

          There is not much Diversity(TM) in the faith of Islam full stop:

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        • Klik Bate

           /  23rd March 2016

          ‘ISLAM. THE RELIGION OF PIECE’.

          (pieces of arms, legs, women, children……..)

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  5. kiwi guy

     /  23rd March 2016

    Donald Trump again talking about The New York TImes doing a hit piece on him back in January over his frank assessment of muslim immigration impact on Brussels, Belgium:

    ““The New York Times wrote an article because the New York Times doesn’t have a clue,” Trump said. “That’s why they won’t be in business too much longer. I call them ‘the failing New York Times.’ They wrote a mocking article, and so many people have called me about the New York Times article being so wrong. Brussels is a disaster. Brussels is a tinderbox. Brussels is a place I went to years ago—it was one of the most beautiful cities in the world and totally safe. Now, it’s catastrophic what’s happened to it. Many, many people are saying I was right about so many things. So many things.””

    http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/22/exclusive-donald-trump-on-brussels-attack-the-terrorists-are-totally-winning/

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    • Mefrostate

       /  23rd March 2016

      You appear almost gleeful about the attacks. Another opportunity to try to justify Trump. Never mind the massive leaps you have to make over his lies and fear mongering. Talk about a state of denial.

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      • Dougal

         /  23rd March 2016

        Having been to Brussels last year I can tell you with certainty they have everything to fear. KG might be inflammatory sometimes but the message is the same, especially in places like France and Belgium. I did not feel safe just walking down the street. I was leered at and intimidated by a number of middle aged middle eastern men. I ended up catching a cab back to the hotel instead of walking. These places are stuffed now, the Belgians have no choice but to keep their heads down. Short of rounding them all up and interrogating the lot of them there is nothing they can do to stop these kinds organised terror attacks. Most importantly, the constant threat would be far more damaging than the acts as people try to live their lives constantly in fear of being blown to bits at any time. The apologists have allowed this, what is their solution?

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        • Mefrostate

           /  23rd March 2016

          To the same point, what is your solution? It’s all very well to fuel the fear, but far too often I see suggestions like “interrogate the lot of them”, ban all Muslims, and close all borders – which seem to completely overlook the human rights of the vast majority who were simply fleeing the very same violence.

          I’m not sure I’m an apologist, so much as just someone trying to talk people down from simplistic views which feed on fear of Muslims. But, my perspective is that the current approach – of paying Turkey to provide asylum and time to process individuals, along with fair distribution of refugees across all countries – should have been taken right from the beginning. Willkommenskultur was a mistake.

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          • kiwi guy

             /  23rd March 2016

            Trump has the best solution:

            “Trump said the solution to the problem is not taking these Syrians and Muslim migrants from other nations in here in America. He said, instead, what should happen is the creation of safe zones in the Middle East.

            “What should happen is the United States and a bunch of other countries should get together—funded by the Gulf States, because they have tremendous amounts of money—and we should build a safe zone,” Trump said. “It should be in Syria. Or a number of safe zones, in different parts of Syria, where you build until the war ends and they can go back—if they want to—they can go back to where they want to be. But, absolutely, we should not be taking undocumented people into this country.””

            http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/22/exclusive-donald-trump-on-brussels-attack-the-terrorists-are-totally-winning/

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            • The US imposing “safe zones” in the Middle East – like they have in Iraq over the last decade?

              I didn’t think Trump was that stupid. Perhaps he’s not, perhaps he just manipulates stupid people into believing his bull.

            • kiwi guy

               /  23rd March 2016

              [False accusations. Deleted. PG]

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Yeah Pete, how many pictures of hanged Muslims will it take before your drink the kiwi guy kool-aid? Gosh you’re such a propagandist!

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Lol Trump is essentially making it up as he goes along. He spits out whatever sounds good, knowing the type of idiots that will lap it up and vote for him. Never mind that getting the Gulf States (or Mexico for that matter) to pay would be entirely impossible.

              Safe zones is exactly what is being done in Turkey now, but it’s not a permanent solution, just a way to stem the flood while proper documentation takes place.

          • kiwi guy

             /  23rd March 2016

            “fair distribution of refugees across all countries”

            Are you talking about India and China or is it just Evil Whitey who is suppose to cough up the goodies?

            The West is already flooded with Vibrants, we need to start dispatching them back to their respective Third World hellholes.

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            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Screw human rights, send ’em back! I was born in a country that happened not to have instability, so why should I have to help those who weren’t so fortunate?! /s

              My view of fair distribution would account for both population size and wealth. All countries would be included but with obvious allowances for their ability to take on refugees.

      • kiwi guy

         /  23rd March 2016

        Trump is completely justified.

        Your side, Mefrostate, lied and pretended Brussels was a harmonious, tranquil city where mass muslim immigration to replace the white population is a fabulous thing – Diversity(TM)!

        You multiculturalists have failed miserably to protect Europe, the terrorists continue to slaughter innocent people in major European cities, and it is only going to get worse as you multiculturalists let more and more of them into the West:

        “Trump also noted that Germany and Sweden could be headed for the same fates as Brussels and Paris already have, because of what their feckless leaders have done.

        “Germany is a disaster now,” Trump said, slamming German Chancellor Angela Merkel without naming her. “You know what’s going on over there? It’s a catastrophe. Germany is a disaster. What she has done to Germany is unbelievable, what’s going on over there. There’s so many other places. In Sweden, you have an area that you just mentioned that is catastrophic. So, so dangerous. And you say to yourself, what are we doing? What are we doing?””

        http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/22/exclusive-donald-trump-on-brussels-attack-the-terrorists-are-totally-winning/

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        • Mefrostate

           /  23rd March 2016

          Your side, Mefrostate, lied and pretended Brussels was a harmonious, tranquil city where mass muslim immigration to replace the white population is a fabulous thing – Diversity(TM)!

          This paragraph betrays such a lack of understanding of the issue, and the arguments that were actually made in support of the refugee policies, that it’s not even worth trying to engage with you. I have other brick walls to beat on, many of whom are far less thick.

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          • You’re a good person Mefrostate. Don’t be disheartened by a seemingly shallow array of opinions as evidenced by Kiwiguy et al.

            There isn’t enough information available to make rock solid judgement calls about fault re. the bombing. Many terror groups claim attacks they had nought to do with in order to raise their profile. It is highly likely that it is IS.

            What is IS? Long answer but it isn’t as simple as saying they’re terrorists.

            One thing is for sure – the refugees? They’re almost ALL fleeing this type of violence with the wrecked region it has created.

            Now, I don’t care what skin colour, religion, gender, sexuality, economic status or educational level someone is at.. If they need help, they get help. 750 refugees a year, when the world is facing one of the greatest population shifts of al time, is a pittance. I was once proud to live in a country where we punched above our weight.

            Instead now I look at the hard hearts of National Inc and fervent fascists who want all refugees tarred with the terrorist brush. Never mind that NZ is a part of the 5 Eyes consortium. 5 eyes that took our privacy away in order to be able to stop these types of attacks (hahahaha never ever going to happen, ever).

            I have studied the region and the players for over 10 years. My best friend is Palestinian who lives in Jordan. My stepfather is a Jewish American who has been to Israel many times. If some of these people don’t understand the nuances of the situation – don’t let it get to you Mefrostate.

            The good parts of the human spirit will triumph in the end. A search for the actual definition of jihad may surprise some of the others.

            Thanks.

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            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Well-said. The only part of this which really disheartens me is simply the low-quality of debate which surrounds these sorts of issues. Everyone has an opinion and is more than happy to spout it – replete with rhetoric and emotion, and occasionally little bits of evidence sprinkled into the mix.

              But sadly, the experts – who really examine the evidence and wrestle with these complex issues – get completely drowned out in these debates.

              And the politicians who actually have the ability to make change, simply respond to the changing winds of the polls (most of us who vote are completely uninformed idiots), and muscling of interest groups.

              It just scares me that within this environment there is such little possibility for good outcomes. Instead, just game-playing.

  6. What has just happened in Brussels does not represent Islam, it was carried out by a very small proportion of extreme Muslims (if reports and claims are correct).

    Just as not all Christians are responsible for the atrocities of a few.

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    • kiwi guy

       /  23rd March 2016

      [Deleted – I’ve asked you a number of times not to make generalised attacks on people or groups of people that are false or unsupportable. PG]

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      • kiwi guy

         /  23rd March 2016

        [I warned you and you ignored. Auto moderation. PG]

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2016

          Missing you already KG 😎

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        • Mefrostate

           /  23rd March 2016

          The automod should allow any comments from kiwi guy which are free of any of the following words: lesbian, feminist, vibrants, diversity, rayciss, fashist, Marxist, multiculturalists, dildo, whitey, hell hole, and Breitbart. Also any pictures.

          Would be hilarious to watch him try to get through.

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          • MaureenW

             /  23rd March 2016

            @Metrostate
            Dumb and dumber?

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            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Hah, I’ll fully admit that I’m dumb Maureen. But at least I’m trying to get less dumb, rather than leaning into my intellectual car-crash.

            • MaureenW

               /  23rd March 2016

              @MF
              I don’t understand what you’re referring to by “your intellectual car-crash”.

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Mostly just how common it is for people to be completely convinced on (either side of) an issue, hungrily absorbing anything which supports their views, and discrediting anything which conflicts with their views. In this self-perpetuating cycle of confirmation bias and selective information sources, they are leaning into the spin of their intellectual car-crash. Trying to get out of it would be too hard.

    • Corky

       /  23rd March 2016

      I think what happened in Brussels does represent a good chunk of Islam. Survey after survey has shown us that. While these silent supporters would never think of committing a terrorist act they quietly support any effort to reconfigure Europe towards a more friendly
      Islamic territory.

      You mention Christian atrocities. Yes,there are historical incidences. But I cannot find any major Christian terrorist organisation intent on world domination. Even if such a group existed they would be shouted down by Christendom. That is in stark contrast to many Islamic organisations who never condemn Islamic terrorism outright.

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    • Missy

       /  24th March 2016

      “What has just happened in Brussels does not represent Islam…”

      Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t – you obviously know a lot more about Islam than I do if you can categorically say it doesn’t represent Islam. But here is the thing, for those that are committing the acts, they DO represent Islam, and as long as they are protected and hidden by Muslim communities, (as these men were), as long as they are left alone by other Muslims, they will continue to be the representation of Islam for the world.

      The Paris attacker arrested the other day, was hidden and protected by the largely Muslim immigrant community in Brussels – if this does not represent Islam then why do those that practice Islam protect these people? If this does not represent Islam why was he not turned in to the authorities by those in his community? Those that hide them, conceal them and fail to turn them into the authorities are all complicit in their crimes.

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  7. Oliver

     /  23rd March 2016

    What about the drone strikes in Yemen. How come no one is reporting on that terrorist attack.

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    • kiwi guy

       /  23rd March 2016

      Dunno, why don’t you ask the Vibrant in the White House, he signed off on it.

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      • Mefrostate

         /  23rd March 2016

        ^ racism, plain and simple. If skin color mattered, I’d be ashamed to share the same as you.

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        • kiwi guy

           /  23rd March 2016

          [False/unsupportable accusations. If they continue you are going into auto moderation. PG]

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          • kiwi guy

             /  23rd March 2016

            I don’t give a flying fuck.

            [And I don’t care if you don’t want to abide by guidelines for reasonable discussion, it’s your choice whether you do and take part or don’t and don’t. PG]

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  23rd March 2016

              Thank you Pete George, the rascism, misogyny, and aggression that KG brings to debates on this site is simply disgusting. There should be no teolerance in NZ for the KKK or their ilk.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2016

              Barack Obama is American born, his mother was American.

  8. Zedd

     /  23rd March 2016

    I do not in anyway, support the terrorist bombings, especially in Civilian areas.. BUT; how many 1000s of civilians have been slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. at the hands of the ‘Coalition of the willing’ ? (which now includes NZ) 😦

    Maybe its time to stop the knee-jerk reactions & put some perspective on it ! :/
    Its time Bush/Blair/Rumsfeld/Cheney etc. were in the Hague (War crimes tribunal)

    The unfortunate thing is.. with ‘nut-jobs’ like Trump.. ‘leading the charge’ it will likely only get worse.. until: “Hello.. lookout WW3 is at the door.”

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    • kiwi guy

       /  23rd March 2016

      LOL, “Turmp will start WW3”

      Hey Pete, does that count as false and unsupportable accusations?

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      • MaureenW

         /  23rd March 2016

        It does in my book.

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      • Zedd

         /  23rd March 2016

        @KG & MW

        I did not say “Trump (or Turmp) will start WW3”.. but I’m saying ‘Join the dots’ 😦

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        • MaureenW

           /  23rd March 2016

          @Zedd
          “Nut jobs like Trump” ….etc. Zedd, I’d be intrigued to learn your point of reference for this comment. The Trump-bashing has been perpetuated by a compliant media for people like you to repeat over blogs Zedd. Tell me which Candidate for the US presidency is not a nut-job and who wouldn’t warrant your comment about joining the dots to WW3. Do you know how many wars the US is currently involved in? Trump didn’t start them, they have been ongoing since the end of WW2, war is america’s most profitable export. Try doing some research.

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          • Zedd

             /  23rd March 2016

            @MW

            maybe you need to reread, the comments ? :/

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            • Zedd

               /  23rd March 2016

              … especially the bit about “KNEE-JERK reactions….” 😦

          • Jeeves

             /  23rd March 2016

            Okay Maureen- I’ve tried doing some research, cannot find a single quote, or a series of them, which offer more insight into Trumps mindset, policies, most particularly “solutions’, or god forbid- means or method- which enlighten me even slightly, as to why anyone with any reason would rank him better than a randomly generated 3d computer image from an old commodore computer- as a man who should have any influence on the world, or America for that matter.

            Can you please cut and paste anything he has ever said that is more than just the twee observations of an illinformed/uninformed/malinformed simpleton?

            Please Maureen, – I’m desperate to like this guy, because , too am sick of all the others… but just give me one clever thing he has ever said.

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            • MaureenW

               /  23rd March 2016

              @ Jeeves
              I didn’t say that Trump said anything particularly enlightening. My point is that from what I’ve seen of the Debates (watched most of them), I can’t see anything that any of the candidates (Dem and Republican) have said that is particularly enlightening – hence I struggle to understand the “trump-bashing” in isolation of the other candidates.

              Here’s Clinton’s response to Trump’s comments on the Brussels bombing. Notice how Trump says “tighten borders”, while Clinton refers to “completely shutting down borders”.
              http://www.today.com/news/clinton-responds-distressing-brussels-attacks-unrealistic-shut-borders-t81761

            • Jeeves Ponzi

               /  24th March 2016

              Holy christfuck.
              So that’s the fucking best you’ve got??
              [Deleted abusive comments. PG]

  9. Brown

     /  23rd March 2016

    “What has just happened in Brussels does not represent Islam, it was carried out by a very small proportion of extreme Muslims (if reports and claims are correct).

    Just as not all Christians are responsible for the atrocities of a few.”

    This continual excusing Islam, particularly political Islam, when it does what it says it will is becoming tiresome and shows you are theologically ignorant. The media won’t even call these thugs Muslims – they are never outed because of their religion and its all someone else’s fault anyway (apart from the great peaceful Muslim majority that hid an arsehole in the once civilised west for four months while he planned new attacks). You have no idea what Islam teaches Pete because you have no theological knowledge to join the dots.

    As for the Christians, lets have a list of the atrocities over, say, the last 10 years and compare that to the Christian doctrines.

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  10. Klik Bate

     /  23rd March 2016

    Has the F.I.A.N.Z come out and unequivocally condemned this terrorist attack yet?

    Waiting….waiting…….

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    • Why should they? I’m not aware of them being linked in any way with what happened on Brussels.

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      • Klik Bate

         /  23rd March 2016

        Nor is the Vatican! But that didn’t stop the Pope immediately condemning the ‘blind violence in Brussels’.

        Still waiting……

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  23rd March 2016

    This pretty much makes Trump a certainty for President.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  23rd March 2016

      Sadly Alan I fear you are on the money with that prediction.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  23rd March 2016

      Happily Alan I believe you are on the money with that prediction.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      Reckon you’re right Big Al.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  23rd March 2016

      It should also cement Obama’s legacy as the worst US foreign policy failures in history. He has presided over a complete disaster whatever the contribution from Bush the Idiot in setting the scene.

      And if he thinks that his campaigning against Brexit on his visit to Britain is going to be anything but counter-productive to the In campaign, well, dream on.

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      • Oliver

         /  23rd March 2016

        There hasn’t been a terrorist attack in the USA under Obama. Going after terrorist just makes more terrorist. We should build relationships and negotiate a truce not create more terrorism. If you think terrorism is bad now wait until trump is president and then you know what terrorism really is. The US lost in Afghanistan and Iraq – and they will loose again.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2016

          I searched in vain for a single truth in that nonsense, Oliver. Congratulations.

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          • Mefrostate

             /  23rd March 2016

            The more I read of Oliver, the more I feel like he’s just someone’s poor attempt at satirising the left.

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            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              Well what’s your solution to stopping terrorism? Carpet bomb all Muslims? Im suggesting peace talks and what are you suggesting?. You people think you’re so smart with your correct grammar and big words. But you talk utter crap. You have no idea how the world works and then you have the cheek to criticize me. I seen and done more than everyone combined on this blog. I speak from experience in the real world. I get my info from the source and not from stupid msm. Every day I’m shocked by how little you people know, you have lived a sheltered life and your cheap criticism are pathetic !!!!!.

            • I see that you haven’t changed Oliver. Slagging off anyone who disagrees with you and asserting that Oliver knows it all. No-one has the monopoly on truth, and everyone is entitled to state their opinion on any matter. So have you spent 7 years in Tertiary Military establishments learning the principles of counter-insurgency? Have you spent 8 years either on active service or serving the people of New Zealand overseas in a military role? I doubt it, but will be happy to see you back up your assertion to have seen and done more than everyone combined on this blog. You won’t because you can’t..

            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              [Deleted. It’s not for you to say that about others participating here. You seem to be deliberately pushing boundaries. Don’t. PG]

            • Missy

               /  24th March 2016

              “I seen and done more than everyone combined on this blog. I speak from experience in the real world. ”

              How do you know what everyone on this blog has seen and done? What experience of the real world of terrorism do you have? What have you experienced of being in Muslim enclave’s in Europe? What have you experienced of them that makes you think ISIL is interested in talking?

              Seriously Oliver, you don’t seem to have a clue about any of it, I am starting to think you have barely left small town NZ.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  23rd March 2016

              Half plausible, Mefro, but too random.

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Could easily be trolling though. There’s a considerable lack of internal consistency.

            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              Your pathetic it’s a good thing we don’t have woman in charge otherwise nothing would get done. I notice mefro likes to have an argument but never shares any good ideas. Typical women.

              [A warning not to attack someone on their (accused) sex. You know this so don’t do it again. PG]

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              Brilliant stuff. No idea why you think I’m a woman.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2016

              Thank Heaven you’re not a typical man.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  23rd March 2016

              My comment must have been posted a nanosecond after yours, Mefro, and was intended (of course) for Oliver. It’s most unfortunate that it could be a reply to yours 😦

            • There’s no need to be sexist Oliver. This is not a boys only treehouse. We are all equal here before we write what we write. Mefrostates intellect and compassion aren’t in question. You request ‘good ideas’?

              1. Stop being sexist. You slow down and divert quality debate.

              2. Don’t resort to Ad Hom attacks.

              3. The finest people I know? The top two are women. I take your attacks on women seriously and I’ll call you out every time. Attack the comment otherwise be attacked for being a cunt.

              Excuse my language.

            • Mefrostate

               /  23rd March 2016

              I actually post with a pseudonym precisely because I’d rather my ideas were assessed on their own merits rather than my sex or ethnicity. In that context it’s rather amusing that Oliver (and kiwi guy, a month or so ago) have had to resort to guessing characteristics just so they could make an adhom.

            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              [Deleted. No more warnings. If you don’t want to abide by liberal guidelines here then your comments can get queued by moderation until/if passed as acceptable. PG]

            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              What was that for? All I said was I’ve read some bad stuff about Ben.

        • Missy

           /  24th March 2016

          “We should build relationships and negotiate a truce ”

          Are you volunteering to be the negotiator with ISIL Oliver? I fully encourage you to do it, see how far you get with negotiation. That is if you manage to retain your head!

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      • Mefrostate

         /  23rd March 2016

        Bush’s mistake was going into Iraq. Obama’s was leaving.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2016

          … and the manner of it. I recall criticism that the man he sent in to do it didn’t know what he was doing.

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    • Jeeves

       /  23rd March 2016

      Especially if Americans think Brussels is a part of Utah.

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  12. Oliver

     /  23rd March 2016

    Here’s a question how come the media doesn’t report on suicide? It’s because it glorifies suicide and people copy as away of getting attention.

    Now why don’t the media do that with terrorism? It seems the media work with the terrorist to spread their message to a wide audience. They get weeks of publicity that even the Kadashians would envey. And then there is a memorial to mark the terrorist attack for years we come. And we playing into the terrorist hands by giving them so much attention? Should media be banned from spreading terrorist propaganda? Yes.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      Of course. It that had happened on 911, and London 7/7, and France last September, and all these other big events – no-one would know about it and there wouldn’t have been any more terrorist attacks because the terrorists would see they got no media attention at all! It all makes so much sense when I think about it. Thanks. 😎

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd March 2016

        Oops. Franc last November. Soz. 😎

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  23rd March 2016

        Thanks for the pic, Gezza. That’s pretty much me whenever I read a comment from Oliver!

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  23rd March 2016

          yeah……Wayne too, whenever he see’s a purile response from that ‘jamie’ 😀

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      • Not me! :-/ While we can never know Oliver’s (or anyone else’s) motivations, which may simply be “contrary attention seeking”, both his terrorism comments above contain some sense and a degree of ‘truth’ IMO. 🙂 Hence your reaction to them maybe? (Notwithstanding Oliver hasn’t set himself up well on here for reasonable consideration)

        The history of “terrorism” emanating from the Middle East is a history of “force upon unequal force” escalation and more unequal force isn’t going to resolve it, only escalate it more. This can be seen to be happening and will continue as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

        And the suicide question is a perfectly reasonable question. There is considerable evidence supporting “copy cat” behaviour in school shootings and other “suicide with hostile intent” events – of which some terrorism may be one form – yet the only media self-censored subject is individual suicide?

        Gezza I don’t believe anyone thinks “If we don’t report it it won’t happen again” but I do think media coverage is perfectly questionable, like anything else. Censorship of the media has traditionally been perfectly acceptable during official wartime?

        “Media coverage of school shooting, too, was reported to have been followed by an increase of threats against schools. In the four weeks immediately after the Columbine incident, for example, up to 350 students were arrested in the United States on charges of having raised some kind of threat against a school.”

        http://www.jaapl.org/content/36/4/544.full

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  23rd March 2016

          Presuming you are supporting Oliver’s “We should build relationships and negotiate a truce” statement, I reject that point blank with respect to the hideous ISIS regime. The only appropriate relationships are jailer-inmate or undertaker-corpse.

          On the second front, suppression of news about terrorist attacks is impossible given their international impact and immediate means of communication.

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          • Not supporting anything in particular of Oliver’s Alan, I did say “some sense and a degree of ‘truth'”. I think he’s referencing the logic of resistance, retaliation and escalation, which I happen to not believe in and for which I see vast historical evidence of absolute pointlessness, other than military-industrial complex revenues and Western Imperialist conquests (which it appears always spawns an even worse terrorist organisation?).

            “The only appropriate relationships are jailer-inmate or undertaker-corpse.”

            Well good luck with that. I wonder if the cost of finding, capturing or killing them all will be worth the expense of money and freedoms we will give up to achieve it, e.g, public money, young lives, privacy and surveillance?

            And no, I wasn’t advocating suppressing the news, only that the comparison of reporting suicide and terrorism is a legitimate comparison to make IMHO.

            Here’s a long article I haven’t finished reading yet but so far very interesting –

            “… the late Edward Said—who pointed out that calling Muslims “ancient” was usually just another way to denigrate them. Look instead, these scholars urged, to the conditions in which these ideologies arose—the bad governance, the shifting social mores, the humiliation of living in lands valued only for their oil.

            Without acknowledgment of these factors, no explanation of the rise of the Islamic State could be complete. But focusing on them to the exclusion of ideology reflects another kind of Western bias: that if religious ideology doesn’t matter much in Washington or Berlin, surely it must be equally irrelevant in Raqqa or Mosul. When a masked executioner says Allahu akbar while beheading an apostate, sometimes he’s doing so for religious reasons.”

            http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

            @ Gezza – Yes all that you say below and, whatever else we may be doing – bombing the hell out of them, supplying them with arms and vehicles, partly creating the very migration which is now ‘the problem’, whatever – if we are not trying to talk to them I think we are simpleton bloody fools.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2016

          And yet when there is a media clampdown there is no ability for the public to help track down terrorists and / or identify who they are, where they came from, what links they have. Information that law enforcement and security agencies want to get as soon as possible to try and prevent further incidents.

          There are terrorist attacks large and small, bombings and shootings, going on all the time in the middle east. Most of them get a few paragraphs if that in our media, and bugger-all in their media, where they’ve become so routine they’re just not big enough to be newsworthy unless they’re an attack on the Green zone or some group of westerners. The publicity is not what they’re about. Hatred and revenge and politics and religion are what they’re all about.

          The notion that terrorist attacks in the west shouldn’t be reported, and that they shouldn’t be memorialized (that latter which I agree with) is just never going to fly.
          Who decides what should be reported and what should not in free societies? Clampdowns feed conspiracy theories even more than open reporting in the media.

          If Western forces just get right out of the Middle East and leave it all alone in future its still faced with the problem that its destroying itself anyway and its people are heading west bringing huge social, religious and cultural changes that are going to be resisted and go on to cause more terrorism.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  23rd March 2016

            It wouldn’t be possible to not report terrorist attacks-when the IRA blew up the cavalry regiment in London (I can’t now remember the details) it could hardly have passed unnoticed. Nor could most terrorist attacks. People are likely to notice that a building’s been blown up.

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            • Oliver

               /  23rd March 2016

              Of cause they should report on it. It’s they report on it that the issue, it’s exactly what the terrorist want.

            • Gezza

               /  23rd March 2016

              Huh ? 😎

            • Missy

               /  24th March 2016

              My thoughts exactly. Is Oliver drunk do you think? He sounds it.

  13. Alternative history thinking….. Iraqs President was less of a (insert expletive here) and wasn’t as divisive, and kept Obama’s American troops on……….. and Obama started bombing Syria after that initial use of chemical weapons?

    Isis would never had lebensraum to regrow, Assad would have been toppled, (he was on the ropes for quite a while there…) the Kurds would not have militarized to the point of scaring the bejeezus out of turkey, and Syria would likely be a quagmire sucking in all the suicidal types, but fairly contained with a much lower body count……

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      If only we could turn back time to the morning that idiot Adam ate the forbidden fruit in disobedience of the orders from above everything would be different and we would all be living in paradise. 😦

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  14. Zedd

     /  23rd March 2016

    Trump’s rhetoric.. reminds me of the Bowie song ” … I’ve been putting out the fires with GASOLINE …” 😀

    Maybe some water.. might work better ? :/

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  15. Jeeves

     /  23rd March 2016

    So- help me out here……

    If a black Catholic throws his garbage over his white Protestant neighbour’s fence, not because he hates protestants ( he’s not really a Church going Catholic), nor because he’s a racist, (although to be honest he is a little anti-white, I think) but mainly because he’s a useless uncouth prick-
    and in retaliation, the white Protestant throws a brick through his window – not because she hates Catholics ( she actually does), nor because she hates blacks ( she doesn’t- she used to screw one of them)-

    but because she feels aggrieved at the mess in her driveway-

    Who’s at fault…?
    Is it the Blacks, or is it the Catholics? Could it be the Protestants??
    Surely it couldn’t be the whites, could it?

    Because there are other Black families on the street, and while this has always been a good Protestant area, lately some Catholics have moved in, and I’m getting really worried.

    I need to know which ones I’m supposed to hate.
    It wouldn’t be the bloody women again, would it?

    Please keep it simple for me:
    a) women
    b) blacks
    c)catholics

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      d. None of the above. Hunker down in your bunker with enough food and water for a month by which time the riot which seems on the cards from your description above should be over. Then go outside and make friends with as many of the survivors of all demographics as you can, keep your stereo down to a reasonable level, don’t throw wild parties, and you should be ok.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  23rd March 2016

      Gosh, that’s a real tricky one ‘Jeeves’!

      MY immediate reaction, was (b) blacks. But I rang Wayne at work to see what he thort.

      After listening intently to the story, HIS immediate reaction, was: (a) woman.

      When I asked him why, he said because she was screwing (b)

      Simple as we can make it sorry, but at least you know the Catholics are nothing to worry about 😀

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  16. Brown

     /  23rd March 2016

    Still waiting for the Christian list of recent atrocities Pete that I can compare with Christian doctrine.

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    • Here’s an example of 6 Christian Terror outfits that you must never have heard of. One is particularly vicious and violent..

      “3. The Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA)

      The mainstream media have had much to say about the Islamist brutality of Boko Haram, but one terrorist group they haven’t paid nearly as much attention to is the Lord’s Resistance Army—which was founded by Joseph Kony (a radical Christianist) in Uganda in 1987 and has called for the establishment of a severe Christian fundamentalist government in that country. The LRA, according to Human Rights Watch, has committed thousands of killings and kidnappings—and along the way, its terrorism spread from Uganda to parts of the Congo, the Central African Republic (CAR) and South Sudan. The word “jihadist” is seldom used in connection with the LRA, but in fact, the LRA’s tactics are not unlike those of ISIS or Boko Haram. And the governments Kony hopes to establish in Sub-Saharan Africa would implement a Christianist equivalent of Islamic Sharia law.”

      https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

      Let’s keep going.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#United_States

      Planned Parenthood terrorist attack..

      “In November 2015, Robert Lewis Dear killed three and injured nine at the Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado.[119]Dear voiced on several occasions his support for radical Christian views and interpretations of the Bible, and praised people who attacked abortion providers, saying they were doing “God’s work.” He also described members of the Army of God, a loosely organized group of anti-abortion Christian extremists that has claimed responsibility for a number of killings and bombings, as heroes[120]In May 1991, Dear was arrested and convicted in Charleston, for the unlawful carrying of a “long blade knife” and illegal possession of a loaded gun.[121]A woman who was married to Dear from 1985 to 1993 told NBC News that Dear had targeted a Planned Parenthood clinic before, by putting glue on its locks, and had a history of violent behavior.In the court document for their 1993 divorce, his ex-wife said, “He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end.”

      And more….

      When Was The Last Time Christians Committed An Atrocity?

      http://zackhunt.net/2015/02/11/last-time-christians-committed-atrocity/

      “On Monday, I wrote a post about how we use cherry-picked verses from the Quran to condemn all Muslims rather than being rightfully angry at particular groups like ISIS who also use cherry-picked verses from the Quran to sanctify their atrocities.

      The point of that post was twofold: to demonstrate how the Bible can be used to sanctify atrocities in the same way groups like ISIS use the Quran and to remind us all of our shared call as Christians to extend love and grace to neighbor and enemy alike, no matter what their faith might be.

      Not surprisingly, it didn’t take long before outraged commenters should up to express their utter dismay that the Bible would ever be compared to the Quran or Christians to Muslims. In a very small way it mirrored the outrage that greeted President Obama when he had the audacity to point out the historical fact that Christians have blood on our hands too.

      One refrain I continue to hear in response to both the President’s comments and my own post is something to the effect of “When was the last time Christians committed an atrocity?” The implication being that the Crusades, the Inquisition, witch trials, slavery, and Jim Crow segregation are too far in the past to be relevant to the current discussion of religion fueled violence in the Middle East.”

      It goes on and on. Good read. I’ll close with this…

      Since 1977 there have been “eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, 181 arsons, and thousands of incidences of other criminal activities” targeting reproductive health care facilities here at home. With few exceptions, these were perpetrated by Christians who opposed abortion for religious reasons.

      Rebuttal?

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      • Robby

         /  23rd March 2016

        No rebuttal from me Ben, just a little history lesson. This from wikipedia, regarding the treatment of the cathars by the catholics….

        The crusader army came under the command, both spiritually and militarily, of the papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Cîteaux. In the first significant engagement of the war, the town of Béziers was besieged on 22 July 1209. The Catholic inhabitants of the city were granted the freedom to leave unharmed, but many refused and opted to stay and fight alongside the Cathars.
        The Cathars spent much of 1209 fending off the crusaders. The Béziers army attempted a sortie but was quickly defeated, then pursued by the crusaders back through the gates and into the city. Arnaud-Amaury, the Cistercian abbot-commander, is supposed to have been asked how to tell Cathars from Catholics. His reply, recalled by Caesarius of Heisterbach, a fellow Cistercian, thirty years later was “Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius”— “Kill them all, the Lord will recognise His own”. [57][58] The doors of the church of St Mary Magdalene were broken down and the refugees dragged out and slaughtered. Reportedly, 7,000 people died there. Elsewhere in the town, many more thousands were mutilated and killed. Prisoners were blinded, dragged behind horses, and used for target practice.[59] What remained of the city was razed by fire. Arnaud-Amaury wrote to Pope Innocent III, “Today your Holiness, twenty thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex.”[60][61] The permanent population of Béziers at that time was then probably no more than 5,000, but local refugees seeking shelter within the city walls could conceivably have increased the number to 20,000.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism

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  17. Gezza

     /  23rd March 2016

    8+17=25 people killed in USA since 1977 by Christian Fundamentalists in USA
    3086 people killed in USA since 1977 by Islamists
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/american-attacks.aspx

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      Actually, my bad. Sorry, I included 17 attempted murders, but they obviously survived. Looks like there were only 8 murders by Christian fundamentalists in the US. There’s a gross disproportion here.

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      • @ Ben & Gezza – I guess it depends what you call ‘Christian’?

        Also, why confine yourselves to U.S. soil?
        This discussion has been inspired by ISIS attacks in Brussels, after all.

        Personally I am of the opinion that what we call the “West” or “Western Imperialist Capitalism” (or whatever) is actually best described as “Western Christendom” [the capitalist & imperialist parts being inherent in ‘Western’]. Essentially it’s the same civilisation that ‘discovered’ and colonised the world and, IMHO, is still doing so where it deems this necessary for its economic or security survival.

        I think our claims of ‘secularity’ are unconvincing. We’ve skimmed the religion off the surface but it still pervades the depths IMHO.

        Western Christendom has a great many deaths on its hands. Hundreds of thousands since the Gulf War in 1991. Remember George W Bush and “the crusade” after 9/11? For 26 years (or more) the Middle East has been the primary site of these deaths, most of which I’m happy to call Christian atrocities.

        I don’t expect to convince you of this though Brown.

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd March 2016

          Also, why confine yourselves to U.S. soil?
          This discussion has been inspired by ISIS attacks in Brussels, after all.

          Fair enough. So, the number of Christian terrorist killings in Belgium last 10 years I’m picking will be far less than the number of Islamist terrorist killings in Belgium in the last 10 years, but happy for you to prove me otherwise.

          Western Christendom is no longer a valid concept. They are secular societies – even in Ireland now – and when Western countries interfere in the Middle East and North Africa it’s to spread the Christian religion or attack Muslims for being Muslims. The West is in a bind with the Middle East. If it doesn’t intervene it gets attacked for allowing atrocities to be committed and if it does interfere it’s attacked for committing atrocities. There is no perfect answer, but I’m in favour of their getting out and letting it sort itself out.

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd March 2016

            Arrrgh …”and when Western countries interfere in the Middle East and North Africa it’s NOT to spread the Christian religion or attack Muslims for being Muslims” is what I meant.

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        • I agree PZ. You’re doing the Lords work opening closeted minds to the possibility that just because you, or your family or even your Government left the Church…

          The Church never left You.

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    • Gezza

       /  23rd March 2016

      False flag anyone?

      No thanks Uggers. Even when you give em away for free like this they’re usually not up to the job.

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    • Dougal

       /  24th March 2016

      Getting old, very old!

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  18. Missy

     /  24th March 2016

    A note from one of the bombers was found in a rubbish bin, it seems that he panicked when the Paris attacker was captured, this could be the cause of the attack yesterday.

    There has been speculation that it was a case they thought the guy captured would talk, so panicked and brought forward a planned attack. It seems at least part of that was correct.

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