Flag referendum

It’s just about too late to vote in the flag referendum unless you ensure it is posted and postmarked by close of voting on Thursday.

Chief electoral officer Robert Peden said voting papers needed to be cleared and postmarked before voting closed on Thursday at 7pm, with the “best bet” to take it to a PostShop before the close of business.

The turnout is much better than for the first referendum, which is a success of sorts. It hasn’t been the flop with voters that some predicted or wanted. Those who wanted to keep the current flag as well as those who wanted the new one will have been motivated to vote to ensure they gave their p[reference the best chance possible.

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  • Votes received up to 22 March – 1,927,444
  • Total votes in first flag referendum – 1,543,362
  • Total party votes, 2014 general election – 2,104,707

So that’s a healthy turnout.

Preliminary results will be announced some time after 7:00 pm tomorrow, 24 March.

The final result will be declared on 30 March.

 

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  1. Oliver

     /  23rd March 2016

    I think an apology from John Key is in order. Was it 26million that he wasted. We will not forget.

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    • Zedd

       /  23rd March 2016

      Patience Oliver.. all ‘good things’ come to those who wait. (apparently) 🙂 😀

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  2. Oliver

     /  23rd March 2016

    I think this is appropriate given the occasion.

    On John Keys legacy

    “Just outside of this debating chamber are the portraits of our great leaders.
    From Seddon, to Savage and Fraser to Kirk how do these giants who established universal suffrage, a caring state in the midst of a depression and world war and a modern independent, bicultural New Zealand compare with you?
    Is the flag it?
    Your desperate, lumbering, grasping attempt at building a legacy with a flag won’t mask the realities.
    Hungry kids up
    Inequality up
    Pollution up
    Debt up
    Housing costs up
    Electricity costs up
    Foreign ownership up
    Corruption up

    To the 300,000 kids growing up in poverty are you saying ‘Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for Serco, Sky City, Saudi Sheiks, Media works, Warners, and Rio Tinto?’
    Under your leadership scientists have been ridiculed and silenced and NGOs have had their funding and voice cut.

    Rape crisis centres are closing and food banks are doing a brisk trade.

    Kiwis are noted for their generosity and hospitality but Prime Minister, under you, New Zealand has become more welcoming to oil companies than refugees.
    Whenever there is a Government scandal, extreme benefit measures are floated, and ‘look over there – pandas.’

    But you seem like a good guy to have a beer with. No one else in this room could have got away with your stunts, gaffes and antics.
    How have you gotten away with it? We could ask Crosby and Textor and point to the biggest of big business bucks and the dirtiest of dirty tricks operations in New Zealand history.
    Kiwis are a good people, a caring people and we can reclaim our democracy from big money and dirty politics.
    One of your legacies is what you cynically call the rent a crowd is growing into a real political movement for change.
    Another legacy of your term is a Green Party stronger than ever before. Thank you Prime Minister.
    Prime Minister as you reflect this may be one of your last opening speeches to Parliament I have no doubt you will go down in history as one of the most successful politicians of a generation. By ‘politician’ I mean the way it’s written on the Stuff comments section.”

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  23rd March 2016

      Quoting Gareth Hughes is like quoting Nicky Watson on politics……..

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  3. John Key: vote against Silver Fern flag in referendum won’t damage my legacy

    “If the flag changes as a result of the referendum tomorrow…I don’t think many people will remember I was prime minister at the time.

    I think he’s right, the legacy thing was talked up by opponents of key and opponents of flag change while Key is PM.

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    • Disagree, I think its very likely Canadians strongly associate PM Lester B. Pearson with the Maple Leaf flag, as well as or possibly despite his numerous other achievements including the Nobel Peace Prize – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_B._Pearson

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    • Oliver

       /  23rd March 2016

      Am I the only one who remembers an interview with John Key, just after National had gained a supermajority in the 2014 election, in which he was asked what kind of changes he wanted to make, now that he had the numbers to push through whatever change he wanted and was effectively in full control of his legacy? His answer was that he really wanted to change the flag. There was a (rightly) critical response, given that the major issues of the election campaign had been child poverty and political corruption

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  23rd March 2016

        I suppose he could have said world peace, solving poverty and curing cancer but in reality he and anyone else can only chip away at these problems stone by stone. There are smaller things like changing the flag that can actually be done or not as the case maybe. But it must be satisfying to achieve a few smaller goals amongst the weight of governing.

        I’m not a great Key fan, in fact I no longer vote for him as my local MP but at present there really is no other alternative.

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        • Nelly Smickers

           /  23rd March 2016

          Gosh Patzcuaro, when I just read your first sentence, I thort he had won Miss New Zealand 😀

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  24th March 2016

            You mean Trump’s Miss Universe but I don’t think he’s too interested in world peace, poverty & cancer except how it effects himself. And a good wall and a bit of waterboarding will solve most things, not to mention a bit of biff for those who disagree.

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    • jamie

       /  23rd March 2016

      Nah Pete, that’s just Key assuming that the flag won’t change and hoping everyone will forget how hard he tried.

      If it does change, he’ll never stop talking about it.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  23rd March 2016

        Actually I think he will just move on. A good currency trade knows when to cut his losses and look for the next trade.

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        • jamie

           /  23rd March 2016

          Well yeah, that’s exactly what I mean.

          His attempt to change the flag has probably flopped, (IMO in large part due to his own poor handling of it) and of course he wants to move on and put the whole stupid affair behind him.

          If he had gotten his way though, different story.

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd March 2016

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  24th March 2016

            I wonder if Key failed to do the ground work setting out his vision for changing the flag. As a result he may not have carried the people along with him. Rather than making it his project he should have tried to get Labour on side as well.

            You can always say that the time & money would have been better spent, but that can also be said about a lot of things. If handled right it could have been the start of the Republican debate.

            I see there are calls for the appointment of future Governor Generals to be ratified by parliament rather than just the PM & Queen. Seems like a good idea to me, again a step down the Republican path.

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        • @ Patzcuaro – “A good currency trade knows when to cut his losses and look for the next trade.”

          Problem: The words “good” and “currency trader” are mutually exclusive.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  24th March 2016

            Well I suppose than depends on whether you are a currency trader or not, not very profitable being a bad one.

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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  24th March 2016

    Great to see such an amazing turnout. At least people have vote after spending the $26m.

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  5. Dougal

     /  24th March 2016

    God, I went to sleep and woke up at the Standard blog. It’s all John Key’s fault… Global warming, wars, starving millions in Africa!

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    • Patzcuaro

       /  24th March 2016

      What a nightmare, surely the Standard Lite if at all.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  24th March 2016

        Those with KAS (Key Admiration Syndrome) as opposed to those with KDS (Key Derangement Syndrome) hold their gatherings at Kiwiblog.

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  6. Zedd

     /  24th March 2016

    The countdown is ticking; DOWN… 😀

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  7. Klik Bate

     /  24th March 2016

    It’s amazing how many people I have heard talking about this flag…..must admit it has sort of grown on me a bit as well

    Apparently it’s been seen flying at a number Galleries and Museums around Europe.

    Did it make into the ‘semi-final’ of the Flag Consideration Panel for consideration?

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