Social media – Wednesday

30 March 2016

Social Media Watch is an open forum similar to Open Forum where any topic can be introduced, but with a focus on New Zealand blogs and social media.

This expands on the aim for Your NZ to be a joint project with the more people contributing and the more variety the better.

A general guideline – post opinion on or excerpts from and links to blog posts or comments of interest, whether they are praise, criticism, pointing out issues or sharing useful information.

If being critical address the issues and don’t do personal abuse. Constructive and reasonably balanced criticism is more effective than general moans.

As usual avoid anything that could cause any legal issues such as potential defamation or breaching suppression orders.

Also remember that keeping things civil, legal and factual is more effective and harder to argue against or discredit.

Note that sometimes other blogs get irate if their material is highlighted elsewhere but the Internet is specifically designed to share and repeat information and anyone who comments or puts anything into a public forum should be aware that it could be republished elsewhere (but attribution is essential).

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  1. Missy

     /  30th March 2016

    Another post at TS where they very conveniently forget to look in the mirror. The post is by Anthony Robbins looking at politics in NZ being angrier, and what the cause may be. It is interesting that he talks about ‘attack’ blogs like Kiwiblog and Whaleoil, but conveniently leaves off TS which is the left’s mirror of those blogs with their constant attack posts, not to mention the nastiness of many of the comments towards not only the Government and PM, but also against the PM’s children (I recall some vile posts about the PM’s daughter in support of the song that inferred raping her).

    I think they need to look at themselves as much as outside themselves for this new nastiness and anger in the political discourse – especially the online political discourse.

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    • Iceberg

       /  30th March 2016

      Martin Martyn has done the same thing. Wasn’t he the dude talking up riots only a month ago?

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  30th March 2016

      I think Kiwiblog sums it up well in that the far left loonies are so badly represented by Labour that they have gone all feral in frustration. You have truly lost the argument & any moral high-ground when you have to resort to hurling sexual abuse at female ministers and throwing dildo’s around.

      The Standard blog is simply an echo-chamber of rabid hatred and denial that does absolutely nothing to promote the left-wing cause in this country.

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      • Pantsdownbrown

         /  30th March 2016

        Some good replies here from the Standard (mods/propagandists must be on holiday still);

        BM 6.2
        30 March 2016 at 8:15 am
        I’d say most of the rise in anger is because the Left wing is seeding inflammatory material into facebook where it gets circulating and shared among the stupid and easily led.

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        Gosman 6.2.1
        30 March 2016 at 8:19 am
        Agreed. Posting nonsense like the TPPA is essentially selling our sovereignty and it being the worst thing to happen to our country ever is a case in point. When you present such extreme absolutes it is no wonder people start going down the threatening path.

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  2. Nelly Smickers

     /  30th March 2016

    Having been away over Easter, I’ve been catching up with the newspapers left in our letterbox. Was very excited to discover this little gem in the Herald…..not sure weather to email it to Wayne’s work, or print it out and leave it by his La-Z-boy 😀

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11611242

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    • kiwi dave

       /  30th March 2016

      This blonde story is unbelievable on so many levels: 1. It’s in the NZH. 2. If you start with the premise than people with blonde hair have a higher IQ, then you will end up “proving” that hypothesis. 3. What about blonde males? Are they more intelligent too? and the list goes on…. This looks very much like a puff piece to titillate the female blondes!

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  30th March 2016

        To be honest KD, i wonder from your response if you actually read any further than the headline?

        This study was undertaken by none other than Jay Zagorsky, an eminent research scientist at The Ohio State University, which he finds, “provides compelling evidence”.

        I have always just laughed-off all those ‘dumb blonde’ jokes for most of my life. I remember even when I first started going out with Wayne about 25 years ago, he used to tell his mates he only had me in the car so he could park in the handicap zones 😦

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        • kiwi dave

           /  30th March 2016

          Yes. I read it. I’m still wondering whether the “eminent research scientist” was for real or just taking the piss!

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  30th March 2016

      I suspect if Wayne doesn’t know how intelligent you are by now, Nelly, he never will and doesn’t want to.

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  3. missy

     /  30th March 2016

    Wow, just read some of the comments on Anthony Robbins’ post I mentioned above, one by Whispering Kate implies that threats of violence and sexual violence against a Cabinet Minister is okay, because she doesn’t like her. Really? How can we take any of these people seriously when they talk about sexual violence, it seems that sexual violence is okay if they don’t agree with them politically. It is disgusting that they go on about a so-called rape culture in this country, but then justify threats of sexual violence against a Minister – just because they don’t like her.

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  30th March 2016

      Ironic that the people commenting on the blog post ultimately prove why the left are getting more angry – democracy is not working in their favour so they resort to, and condone, violence and abuse.

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    • Kevin

       /  30th March 2016

      According to Kate the threats are expressions of justified and understandable anger against the government.

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      • Pantsdownbrown

         /  30th March 2016

        What about this insightful gem off the (low) Standard:

        Stuart Munro 7.1.1
        30 March 2016 at 10:53 am
        Says the far-right shill.
        Paula was and is stupid and cruel – a liar and a pig. The more she is confronted for her shocking failures as a minister and as a human being the better.
        Go Andrew – Gosman is shitting itself.

        I’m still trying to work out why people think the far-left are nasty?

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        • Iceberg

           /  30th March 2016

          He makes you sick up just little bit in your mouth doesn’t he?

          This from his Pundit profile

          “I’m presently teaching English & current affairs in Korea because there are no good jobs in New Zealand”

          Unemployable more like. North Korea?

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          • Missy

             /  30th March 2016

            Can’t be North Korea – no internet. But he is probably wishing it was.

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        • Missy

           /  30th March 2016

          Isn’t he the guy that regularly supports violence against Government Ministers, both on TS and the Daily Blog? IIRC he has at one point advocated for the assassination of the PM. He seems to be truly an awful person.

          I just don’t understand how those that proclaim to be feminists, or against sexual violence and objectification of women, actually support threats of violence and sexual violence against any woman, regardless of who she is.

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  4. Kevin

     /  30th March 2016

    lprent WTF post of the day, this time courtesy of “Sabine”, who appears to have a very wide definition of “violence” and when it can be justified.

    http://thestandard.org.nz/angry-politics/#comment-1153941

    “Sabine 10.1.2
    30 March 2016 at 9:54 am
    Do you consider cutting benefits a form of violence?
    Do you consider outing peoples private details to the News a from of violence?
    Do you consider pulling a waitresses hair at her workplace (no more no less) a form of violence?
    Do you consider not providing funds for low income schools a form of violence?
    Do you consider keeping people on medical waiting lists till they have to be removed as they were to long on it a form of violence.

    Or is it only violence when you say so?”

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  30th March 2016

      So, Kevin, what do you define violence to be? For example, how would you go about defining domestic violence when a blow isn’t struck physically, but emotionally instead? Is that any less violent? Or what about the physical and/or psychological harm that comes from systemic injustices?

      A problem here is that the word “violence” conjures up some sort of physical image. A different way of thinking about violence might be the way that Johannes Galtung (who coined the expression ‘structural violence’) used it to refer to the “avoidable impairment of fundamental human needs or…the impairment of human life, which lowers the actual degree to which someone is able to meet their needs below that which would otherwise be possible”

      Here’s a starter-for-ten:
      http://www.structuralviolence.org/structural-violence/

      I’m not a great fan of Sabine’s, but her use of ‘violence’ has a fifty-year background in liberation theology/psychology. Whether she’s right or not, at least her comment gives us pause to stop and think more critically about the words we casually use… 🙂

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      • Dougal

         /  30th March 2016

        No doubt there is emotional violence and many other forms. It would be easy just to take “Sabine’s” comment above and put it in context on its own but you don’t have to look too far through her other comments to see what she has to say, in her words, “She is vile, has been vile, and will not ever be anything but vile” and after another tirade suggests National (or Paula Bennet) “They reap as they sow”. This last comment in itself IS condoning violence and more specifically toward Paula Bennet. Violence of any sort and the suggestion that you have it coming because you are a National MP is inexcusable ALWAYS!

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      • Iceberg

         /  30th March 2016

        Not relevant. She’s just putting up multiple straw men to cloud the fact what she said/supports is indefensible.

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  5. Dougal

     /  30th March 2016

    @ PDB and Kevin

    Yes, Sabine and Stuart Munro, two prime candidates for 2016 political retards club.

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  6. Gezza

     /  30th March 2016

    WordPress Smileys list. Here’s one. There’s a lot more about smileys but who wants to over do them eh? 😎

    https://en.support.wordpress.com/smilies/

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