Open Forum – Wednesday

6 April 2016

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  1. Gezza

     /  6th April 2016

    Was amused by this comment from Stuff.co item on NZ Post partial sale proposal:

    Uptix
    Sending letters is declining.
    NZ Post is losing jobs.
    NZ Posts biggest asset is its brick and mortar branch network.
    There is an increasing move towards liberalising marijuana.

    SO

    Legalise marijuana. Change NZ Post to NZ Pot, and use the NZ Potshops as the distribution and tax collection network.

    Simple. Jobs saved. Tax intake up. Gangs out of work. Me for PM!

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    Stephen
    Genius!

    winteriscoming
    That’s what you call a Joint venture! Love your work
    😎

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    • Lilly Franks

       /  6th April 2016

      Brilliant, and all they’d have to do to rebrand is put a dope leaf sticker over the ‘os’ in post so the dope leaf reads as an ‘o’.

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    • @ Gezza – Good one!!! 😎

      Stephen may not be far off the mark either. Someone thinking strategically 5 – 10 years in advance will surely be wondering, “Where shall I locate my nationwide marijuana chain-store branches?” My ‘Hoochy Coochy’ network? My ‘Big Green Sheds’?

      Problem is, by then and even today, in almost any smaller town, you’ll find premises a damn sight cheaper even than subletting part of a functioning NZPost/Kiwibank outlet, because the owners of shops in shopping districts ‘scoured out’ by the relocation of supermarkets and big chains out-of-town are desperate to get some return on their investment …

      Conversely, combining together the functions of local poor bank, local place to pay residual and ancillary poor taxes – or possibly get online to do so – and buy your opiate of the precariat masses all at the same time makes considerable sense …

      Hmmmm, although, following the one-stop shop analogy, wouldn’t it be better to just conduct all of these activities from WINZ offices? Or perhaps Liquor outlets?

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th April 2016

    Trump loses Wisconsin to Cruz about 30% : 52%. I think he was going to lose anyway but the abortion fiasco has made it a big one. I’ll be surprised if there is any way back for him now but he may still go into the convention with the most delegates.

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    • Gezza

       /  6th April 2016

      Ok, that’s not looking good for him then. So, if he goes to the convention with the most delegates, what’s your pick of what’ll be the likely outcome? Or too soon to speculate?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th April 2016

        I have no clue as to what they will do. I guess it depends what happens between now and then. But I would expect that to leave the Republicans split and the Democrats winning.

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      • Gezza

         /  6th April 2016

        Trump camp’s gracious concession to Cruz, according to The Guardian, via Washington Post. Should all help achieve Republican harmony at the convention.

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  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  6th April 2016

    I heard the current Mrs T speaking on the news. I wonder who wrote her speech ?

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  6th April 2016

      His anti-immigration bigotry doesn’t apply to his wives; 3 of the 4 have been immigrants.

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      • Pete Kane

         /  6th April 2016

        Two of the three, just to be fair, since he’s had a rough day – poor chap.

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  4. Kitty Catkin

     /  6th April 2016

    I saw a Muslim couple today-she robed in traditional style, except for her face. Far from her walking behind him, which Brown seems to think is the usual way, they were arm in arm and going into Noel Leeming’s, so it would seem that whatever they were after would be chosen by both of them..
    .

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  6th April 2016

      More likely he’s just there to provide cover while she sticks a toaster or something up her burka

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      • Robby

         /  6th April 2016

        More likely he was trying to prevent her escaping into another shop with his credit card 😀

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  5. Robby

     /  6th April 2016

    I found last nights Open Forum rather interesting. I’m talking about the debate over ‘ponytail gate’. The differing opinions on whether it was acceptable or not intrigue me….
    I’d be interested to hear from anyone who cares to respond, what they consider an acceptable level of physical contact between strangers.
    My perspective is this:
    ‘Touchy feely’ people irritate me. I regard people who intrude uninvited upon my (or my wife or children’s) ‘personal space’ as a threat, and treat them accordingly. I respect the personal space of others, and expect them to extend me the same courtesy. I can think of only two exceptions to this rule:
    1. Removing someone from imminent danger
    2. Shaking hands – As most of you are probably aware, this tradition is based on offering your ‘weapon hand’ to prove you intend no harm, which is why a firm handshake is important, as it shows you have the strength to defend yourself.
    Any thoughts???

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  6th April 2016

      Evening Robby my thoughts on strangers touching and the acceptable or not … a little story

      My niece who has the most beautiful long blonde curly hair and I were going for a horse ride and came across a fellow who was camped up down by the river, we stopped and he invited us for a brew.
      While sitting around his camp fire he keep looking at my niece making her feel a little uneasy
      and I was on high alert sensing something was not right.
      Then he just reached out and touched her hair and made some interesting noises while he started to almost caress her hair.
      All this happened in a matter of seconds I looked at my niece face which was starting to look frightened and thought any minute now she was going to tell him to fuck off!

      But she just looked pleadingly at me so I told him get your hands off my niece RIGHT now!!
      He just looked at me while still holding touching her hair, he looked at me with a puzzled expression, so I got up and reached over and grabbed his hand and pushed it aside with a few words of Don’t touch my nieces hair you #@$%^&*&^ wit what is wrong with you do you not understand english!!.
      My niece was now in control of her scaredness and moved away from him closer to me.

      He got a fright and said “I was just wanting to touch her beautiful hair what is wrong with that?” I said everything is wrong with what you did! You don’t know her and he had NO right to reach into her personal space to touch her.
      He got up in my face about how he had a right to touch her, obviously he had a problem with boundaries and he picked the wrong person to get all uppity about HIS rights so there ensued a little slap around his ears to make them work.

      He settled down after a few shows of my pissed off ness. He said that he didn’t think in all honesty that there was something wrong with his INVASION of my nieces space and a lesson was taught to him that day, of You do Not touch a strangers body or hair,
      without some dire consequences. That it was like an a assault on her person.

      So I learnt that day that my very strong mouthy niece was shocked and scared to scared to say anything to him like WTF are you doing and give him the bitch slap he so deserved.
      There was no need to make my niece scared and he hopefully learnt not to be a space invader.

      So when I see or hear of something similar I remember my niece and her inability to open her mouth and I do not like it …. not one bit.
      Don’t touch a stranger with an intimate touch You have No Right to and be ready for the consequences that may be harsher than what I gave that creep that day.

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      • Robby

         /  6th April 2016

        Thank you for that PP, really a great example of what I’m trying to explain. Perhaps his actions were completely innocent, maybe he just liked hair.
        What he failed to do before acting, was consider how his actions may have been construed by someone far smaller and not as strong as him…

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  6th April 2016

          Robby
          When we got home to my whare I asked her Why did you not tell him to stop it.
          She started to cry and said because it was like she was frozen and could not get any words out.
          I don’t care if he liked hair or if his actions were innocent…. he does Not have the right to do that No matter what his thoughts were.
          His thoughts right or wrong meant nothing to me or my niece who got the lesson of Speak Up my darling when some one Invades your space.
          And to this day she is very vocal about this. 🙂

          People who are on the marae giving a hongi or a kiss or all those other words that Al says is not in the same context as what I speak of.

          There is a saying? rule? forgot it now, which means that an accidental touch when playing or being close to people and a accidentally touch is acceptable.

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          • Robby

             /  6th April 2016

            Yes, exactly Possum. “Why didn’t you speak up?”. Heard a lawyer say that on the news today, Hmmmm………. 😦

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th April 2016

      How strange are strangers? I have been hongi and kiss greeted many times by relative strangers of all ages whose names I didn’t even know on marae and similar. I have comforted upset people with a hug or a pat or a touch. I have of course bounced off many strangers playing sport, games and sometimes playing the fool – though not with very strange strangers. On tramps I have helped and been helped over obstacles. The issue with physical contact is intent and consent – and both are affected by culture.

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      • Robby

         /  6th April 2016

        Also by size Alan. You’re male, so by default you are stronger than 50% of the population, how tall are you BTW. I agree with you about context, but you need to understand that two strangers might take the same event in a completely different context….

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th April 2016

          Of course, and Key’s problem obviously was a complete misjudgement of that. But how understandable that was depends on a context we do not know but can merely guess or assume. And there lies our difference.

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          • Robby

             /  6th April 2016

            I assume nothing Alan, because that would make an ‘ass’ out of ‘u’ & ‘me’.
            I would certainly not assume that any woman who I was not ‘intimately involved’ with, would find me touching any part of her acceptable.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th April 2016

              You assume a lot about the Key incidents which I don’t.

            • Robby

               /  6th April 2016

              @ Alan
              I assume nothing. What I see are repeated instances of the PM invading the personal space of young women who feel powerless to object…..

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th April 2016

              No you didn’t. You were not there to see anything, let alone everything.

            • Robby

               /  6th April 2016

              Were you there Alan?

          • Gezza

             /  6th April 2016

            Look, Alan, I still say it’s inappropriate, but you still equivocate, even though I really believe that you think it’s wrong too and that you would never in any circumstances pull the pony tails of a waitress, or of three little girls who you don’t know because it would be inappropriate for you to do so.

            I think you are refusing to come right out and say it is inappropriate because John Key did it. I reckon if I did it, or Andrew Little did it, or maybe anybody but a National Cabinet Minister did it – I dunno how far you’d stretch the apologetics – you’d be going apeshit about inappropriate behaviour. Never mind context.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th April 2016

              No, I wouldn’t be going apeshit about inappropriate behaviour if it was an opposition politician. I have never ever commented on that kind of thing whoever is involved simply because I don’t believe in rushing to judgement without direct and adequate knowledge. That is why we have courts to test evidence and make judgements.

            • Gezza

               /  6th April 2016

              OK. I will accept that you genuinely don’t understand why that is inappropriate behaviour in what we already know about the circumstances. Most adult males and most females do consider that to be inappropriate behaviour, but I now accept you really don’t think it is.

              I also accept your word you have never commented – nor ever would – in any manner, on any opposition or other politician, suggesting that any report of inappropriate or questionable behaviour by that person in the media might be true, when you have not had direct knowledge of the behaviour yourself, or when it has not been tested in evidence and found to be true in Court

              Do I have the 2nd paragraph correct?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th April 2016

              Your second paragraph is correct. Your first is crap.

            • Gezza

               /  7th April 2016

              Well, fair enough. To his credit, John Key accepts his behaviour with the waitress was inappropriate, He’s publicly said so. So I’m at a bit of a loss over your stance,here which I agree is crap, but you’re perfectly entitled to hold a different view to the PM on the matter. Good night Alan.
              Sleep well.

            • Gezza

               /  7th April 2016

              PS: I gave you an uptick for good spelling and no typos.

  6. MaureenW

     /  6th April 2016

    @Robby
    Pretty much agree with you, but there can be an added perspective of context. A friendly or familiar context could facitatate more touching without it being intrusive depending upon who, and the context. The repeated pony-tail pulling by the PM to a waitress was stupid, if not a bit creepy, along with an abuse of his position. Had the action been carried out by a street beggar, she probably would have suggested a sexual holiday – perhaps that should have been her response to Key.

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    • Robby

       /  6th April 2016

      In the context of the waitress, IMHO it was completely inappropriate. At the school my children attend, they have a rule – “Keep hands, feet, and objects to yourself”. Why certain middle aged men, who should know better can’t seem to grasp this concept, is beyond me.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  6th April 2016

        Robby

        I have always told the males in my family do Not touch a girl unless you Ask is it Ok to.
        And if a woman girl say NO … it means STOP right there and go no further.
        Respect that the female is Not happy and is saying NO.
        To go any further means you are doing something only You like and it could lead to jail or even violence which some one else looking in wants to intervene and deals out.

        Jkey liked what he did and was not respecting of the girl in the cafe he even thought it was a “bit of banter” and it just added to his disrespect of the girl IMHO.

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        • Robby

           /  6th April 2016

          Damned straight PP, it’s as simple as that really.
          People need to learn to look at things from the other perspective. Put themselves in the other persons shoes.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th April 2016

            You can’t. Other people may react completely differently from the way you would. You have to learn to communicate with them so that you can discover how they feel.

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            • Robby

               /  6th April 2016

              Yes Alan, communicating BEFORE pulling hair or touching would be a great idea…

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th April 2016

              I do wonder what sort of half-witted bird-brain down-ticks the above. Even for a demented moronic Lefty with a serious mental illness that seems excessive – and we’ve got two of them!

            • Pickled Possum

               /  6th April 2016

              Learn to Communicate … Discover How They feel …
              before invading some ones personal space is always going to be a Raw deal for someone.

          • Gezza

             /  6th April 2016

            I do wonder what sort of half-witted bird-brain down-ticks the above. Even for a demented moronic Lefty with a serious mental illness that seems excessive – and we’ve got two of them!

            Who knows Al? It’s not like you ever say anything that might annoy anyone.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th April 2016

          And Possum, do you tell the females in your family the same things?

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          • Robby

             /  6th April 2016

            Still trying to defend the indefencible Alan?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th April 2016

              No, I’m trying to check if there is a double standard operating.

            • Robby

               /  6th April 2016

              Such as the one you seem to be advocating?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th April 2016

              That’s just stupidly offensive, Robby. I notice for the second time Possum hasn’t answered my question though. Good night.

            • Robby

               /  7th April 2016

              @ Alan
              Offensive?
              Criticism generally only hurts if it should….. 😉
              Goodnight

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th April 2016

              It didn’t hurt, merely an irrelevant Oliver-style falsehood creating a barrier to sensible discussion. Dumb.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  7th April 2016

            Al
            All these talks we have are with male and female who contribute to the talk talks. You are looking for something in my korero that will fit your idea of values and opinions that I find quite off.
            Double standards are not in my realm of thought when teaching young people Respect Humanity
            I am a human being
            I am a human doing
            unscramble that and you may find the core of me.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th April 2016

              Ok, if I understand that properly (and you do scramble rather unnecessarily) you are saying you do give females the same message.

              That’s good.

            • Gezza

               /  7th April 2016

              Good night Alan.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  7th April 2016

            To Al

            “I notice for the second time Possum hasn’t answered my question though.”

            While writing back to you and to answer your 2nd question You post the above and I could not find the 1st question as I do not subscribe to emails to tell me if some one is replying to me, I do not want my in box clogged up with questions I ‘Need’ to answer.
            Till this hour of 3.00am I followed the question back where you ask about marae etc and I did answer this question in a letter to Robby …

            “People who are on the marae giving a hongi or a kiss or all those other words that Al says is not in the same context as what I speak of.
            There is a saying? rule? forgot it now, which means that an accidental touch when playing or being close to people and a accidentally touch is acceptable.”

            Then you say to the 2nd ??? …
            “Ok, if I understand that properly (and you do scramble rather unnecessarily)”

            I had a defusing of the hard drive of my mind which I say about my stroke, and all the words of my mind got mixed up and the maori word is used for a english meaning etc,

            I have a great deal to heal and then I found YnZ and my first letter to MikeC was written to her no understanding she said so hehe
            but I persevere=continue in a course of action even in the face of difficulty or with little or no indication of success.

            I try hard to make myself be understood to write in the language of understanding and then I become friends with Parti my good friend Parti and I learn from his writings to make myself understood more, but I cannot make you understand without this story of the defusing of my hard drive.

            When I get tired or emo I write more Scrambled as you say and I write exactly as I speak always. Much to the my families sorrow they even want me to go to esol? to learn again but I have found YnZ and through writings – talking I am learning all the time to be understood better??

            I tell you this not for you to softly softly me but it is the reason I speak talk write in a ‘scrambled’ way. Let this be between you and me and I do not need a reply from you as I do not really feel to reply to every question that is asked of me.
            This saga is told and now I can sleep.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  7th April 2016

              Thank you Possum. I understand better for that. Go well.

  7. Pickled Possum

     /  7th April 2016

    Good Night folks

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