Disclosure and freedom of speech

Yesterday somebody demanded “Full disclosure Pete”, which was a bit ironic considering their lack of disclosure, but what they asked for was already in the open.

But it has prompted an issue that I’ve wanted to bring up here in regards freedom to comment here and disclosure.

Last year there were attempts to disrupt and discredit Your NZ, and also attempts to legally gag and shut us down. The commenting problems were mainly with a small number of people abusing anonymity and through the misuse of pseudonyms and false disclosures.

Most regulars here are open to me about who they are, with some preferring to comment under a pseudonym. This works very well in general.

A small number choose to try and disguise their identity and provide false information. There may be sort of valid reasons for this in some cases, but in other cases less so.

Those who are not prepared to disclose requested information potentially put this site at greater risk should they post anything claimed or found to be defamatory or illegal. In such cases I need to take greater care.

The malicious actions of a few can impact on others who use similar techniques, in order to protect the integrity of the site. Occasionally this may be unfortunate but it will affect very few.

While freedom of speech is one of the fundamental principles of Your NZ there are responsibilities involved with the privilege to speak here.

If a valid email address isn’t provided then I can’t contact people over issues of concern should they arise, so I can’t deal with things as I can with a person who discloses who they are.

If anyone chooses non-disclosure here then your participation and your right to speak may have greater limitations as a necessity to keep Your NZ functioning as freely and as reasonably as possible.

Generally commenting here has been much better over recent weeks, in part due to less disruptive individuals, and in large part due to the manner in which most of you participate. Thanks very much for your ongoing contributions.

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89 Comments

  1. Oliver

     /  9th April 2016

    There are criminals(spys also) operating on the internet who are after your personal information. So it is not wise to use your true identity when you are vulnerable to cyber attacks. It’s a matter of personal security.

    It’s the government responsibility to have full disclosure because they work for us the people. If they have done nothing wrong then they should have nothing to hide.

    We have to fully disclose our info wether we like it or not. If the police ask for your bank statement – the bank gives it to them without your permission. If the govt wants to track you they get you cellular records from telcos without your knowledge.

    So it’s up to us to fight to keep what we have left of our right to privacy. And you can start by being anyminous on the internet. Having someone spy on you is dehumanizing.

    So don’t disclose anything on this blog site. Use a fake email address. Don’t use your real name. And be careful about the personal information you share. I’ve already built profiles on people here by the personal information they share. I won’t do anything sinister with it, but some else will. Once it on the web it can’t be erased.

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    • Oliver

       /  9th April 2016

      Also freedom of speech is the right to say what you want without consequences. If you censor speech or ban people from saying certain things then that is not freedom of speech, so don’t call it that. Call it something else like limited speech or PC speech but don’t call it something it’s not.

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      • bjmarsh1

         /  9th April 2016

        For Moderation Consideration:

        So Oliver, if you are so rightious about this, what is your response to this challenge from the dreaded Whale Oil blog to your clearly anti-Semitic comment which has featured in an OAMSA decision. Your argumen that you have the rights to say what you want without consequences is not part of the NZ Bill of Rights. Your racist comments in the Whale Oil comment that has caused a number of complaints. You went too far once again.

        For those who do not understand what I am about, have a look at Olvers’ Whail Oil posting before you respond, please?

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        • bjmarsh1

           /  9th April 2016

          Dang itI meant the OSMA of course as you would know!

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            • I’m all out of tinfoil but here we go:

              The facts.

              1. Oliver is a notorious liar and fantasist who doesn’t comment under his or hers real name. Oliver is also occasionally 100% erudite and well written then can’t spell for shit a few hours later. It doesn’t take a script to see its more than one person commenting under one name.

              2. That’s the first time in recent memory Mr Slater has commented directly on YourNZ. He didn’t link here, he just used a screenshot which wasn’t taken very long after Oliver’s comment, but he refers to PG and YourNZ.

              3. Oliver upvotes their own material. Sometimes substantially. Oliver did over 300 thumbs ups and downs for some ‘scientific’ poll they were running.

              4. Mr Slater absolutely must have this blog, PG and several commenters discredited and, if he can, disenfranchised from participating in online conversation for reasons.

              5. Using sock puppets and pseudonyms is a speciality of this outfit. That doesn’t mean they’re good at it – just that it is one of the things they are better at.

              6. If I were a smart man, and it looks like I’m not, I would sow seeds and identities inside blogs and build ‘legends’. Sort of like false personas designed to be disruptive at some future point. I would cover the tracks of those personas by having one comment or one day disrupters who are roundly chucked out. Super, super tin foil stuff I know but deceit, deception and having a LOT of spare time can cause some to enjoy mischief.

              7. Given that the above is true… I have zero issue with my comments being moderated, my identity being checked and the blog owner letting me know if I cross the line.

              This Internet stuff isn’t a game anymore. The HDCA took care of that. The tactics some use will ensure fuckery. Lest we forget the fallacious HDCA order that PG was subjected to for nought.

              Roll on PG – you’re the man.

            • Another speciality of some is planting comments and taking screen shots before moderation takes place.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              Nailed it I reckon.

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  9th April 2016

              “You’re the Man”…..funnily enuff, I said exactly that about Joe Cocker last nite 😎

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              Yes, Oliver’s occasional changes from semi-literacy to coherence and knowledge of grammar and punctuation are noticeable, but their antiSemitism and bigotry never changes.

              Nobody could have had such a variety of careers. Well, they could, I suppose, but it seems very unlikely to me. He claims to have been in intelligence, but the semi-literate nature of most of his comments make this claim less than convincing, unless he was the cleaner for SIS or something of that nature.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              I don’t know if Oliver believes the distorted ideas about what banks and telcos do or thinks that we do because we’re silly enough to believe such nonsense from that source.

              He surely can’t believe that everything the government does should be made available for all to see-if he really has worked in intelligence, he must surely know better than any of the rest of (pauses to laugh) about security. Also that things that are not to do with security often need to be confidential as well. There can be no government that has everything it does able to be seen by everyone in the country,

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              ‘rest of us’.

              Downvotes done while you wait.

            • Robby

               /  9th April 2016

              A downvote from me Kitty, for the same reason as last night.. 😀

    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  9th April 2016

      Oliver: “I’ve already built profiles on people here by the personal information they share”

      We all know you’re not quite the full quid……….but really, why do that?

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      • Oliver

         /  9th April 2016

        It’s habit from my days working in intelligence. I have a photographic memory so it’s not written down or stored in cloud or anything like that. It’s locked away in my memory.

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        • bjmarsh1

           /  9th April 2016

          Oliver, you never worked in Intelligence. If you had any you would have learned about the intelligence process and the basic requirements for an intelligence appreciation and the identification of critical elements of establishing factual information related to the mission. Your credibility has been further weakened by a demonstrated lack of objectivity in the assessment process like that done with the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction Intelligence appreciation,and others, whose assessments were driven by political ideology rather than the pursuit of truth.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  9th April 2016

          Oliver says our info is not stored in cloud….but I think that it is-Cloud Cuckoo Land.

          Collect away, Ollie, if that floats your boat. I’m not worried if you’ve remembered every personal thing that I have mentioned-these could apply to so many people that your chances of identifying me are slight indeed.

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      • Lilly Franks

         /  9th April 2016

        Some people like to include personal experience into their comments. Over time, if you read enough, a picture builds of their private life. I’ve done it too, if only mentally. Eventually if someone mentions enough little things here and there they give away enough to give away their identity.
        As to email addresses, until a few weeks ago this site didn’t have a https certificate, so sending your real email left it vulnerable to be intercepted every time you made a comment as it was sent in plain text.
        On anonymity I read somewhere once, in a discussion about it, probably the most honest thing I’ve read on the subject. Someone, who used their own name, said “If I use a pseudonym my words will not be attributable to me and won’t go down in my history”. In short, he uses his real name because ego. So in the case of safety vs ego, I err on the side of safety myself. Overseas based sites allow you to comment without entering any data at all, your comments appear under the name ‘anonymous coward’ and noone cares about who you are, or if you used a different name yesterday, or even that you’ve chosen not to use a name at all. These NZ political blogs are a real anomaly compared to the wider internet, so much paranoia and suspicion, and the big three are sniffing out your computers identity separate from your IP address. Almost no other sites do that, except for American advertisers.

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        • Lilly Franks “until a few weeks ago” – information security here hasn’t changed and it’s the same as for many thousands of other WordPress sites, that may more people don’t seem to have any problems with.

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          • Lilly Franks

             /  9th April 2016

            ‘Many more people’ don’t know enough to know they’ve got a problem.
            On another note, while I’ve got your ear..
            “If a valid email address isn’t provided then I can’t contact people over issues of concern should they arise, so I can’t deal with things as I can with a person who discloses who they are.”

            Do you think you should be contacting people? That’s not a step too far? I’ve been on the internet since it began and I’ve never been contacted by a forum host, it’s just not done – everything is in the open, there is no need.
            The other week you wrote that you rang a workplace looking for someone, do you think that’s OK? I remember that that got you in trouble with certain people already, but you did it again. I don’t think anyone enters into any arrangement that makes it ok for you to ring them at work just because they chose to post here. It is frankly quite creepy.

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            • You’re lying Ms “Franks” about PG and you’re fearmongering on a leet level. Stop it before you do yourself a mischief. If you don’t like PGs rules then you don’t have to be here.

              Or do you? 😉

            • What you’re alleging about what I wrote and what I did is straight out false.

            • Lilly Franks

               /  9th April 2016

              Where’s the lie?
              “Stop it before you do yourself a mischief.” Is that a threat?

            • You’ve made up false allegations. Either you’re lying, or you’re repeating someone else’s lies.

            • And frankly it’s more than creepy what you’re trying to do here.

            • Lilly Franks

               /  9th April 2016

              “What you’re alleging about what I wrote and what I did is straight out false”
              No it’s not, I can’t be bothered looking for it but it happened. Some guy posted something and you queried who he was and said his email was false as you’d rang the business that owned the domain name and they said no one of that name worked there. It’s all on record somewhere here.
              So if you’re saying it didn’t happen then it’s you that’s lying.

            • No, that is just false. There is nothing like that on record here because I haven’t posted anything like that. It’s false, and ” I can’t be bothered looking for it” is a pathetic excuse for posting accusations you simply can’t substantiate. But revealing about you and your motives. It was just a matter of time.

            • Oliver

               /  9th April 2016

              “Some guy posted something and you queried who he was and said his email was false as you’d rang the business that owned the domain name and they said no one of that name worked there.”

              I remember you saying that PG. And I also think it’s creepy.

            • False Oliver. I’ve said nothing like that, and done nothing like that. And you’re on a warning, so you’re now in auto moderation.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              That did happen on another blog I visit: I’m wondering if someone is mis-remembering. Sorry you’ve done this Oliver.

            • More like malicious, it was just a matter of time before ‘Lilly Franks’ revealed their MO. What’s kinda funny is they can’t do what they want without revealing themselves.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              I meant Ollie Pete. But he’s in auto-mod now so time for reflection or out I guess. I’ll say no more because I’m new & don’t know how long people have been posting or what their motives are.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  9th April 2016

              @ Gezza hmmmm maybe I will call you G what does gezza mean?

              anyway;
              I have been posting here since end Jan but it feels like a long time. And it has changed massively from real bad mean shitty bad manners stuff People got the ‘see ya later’card or change and stay card and we come to today where it is a pleasure to debate controversial topics with out turning into a cave man/woman.
              Plus there was an influx of CockRoaches!! as Al calls them people who come to cause damage to YnZ who start out Nice and end up like the lady above?
              My motive for being here is entirely self satisfaction of being a part of a kind and intelligent community to learn on all levels. Beats the whark out of watching mindless TV or shopping aimlessly or reading about stuff at the library. It has been a blast! 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              Barry = Bazza
              Gerald > Gerry = Gezza, Possum 😎

              I looked in on this forum a while ago and it was pretty raucous. People were talking about the cockroach influx and seemed be slanging each other off so I thought no thanks. I remember Panstdownbrown & Nelly Smickers & you because you’ve all got amusing & memorable monikers, And Alan because he took no prisoners.

            • bjmarsh1

               /  9th April 2016

              Ms Franks. If you are not prepared to concede that Pete, as owner of this blog, has a right to know who you are, and exercise his moderation on your remarks, including a requirement to fuss up with the evidence to support your comments, then you have no place on the blog. I have no fears about supplying the blog owner with details of my credentials, however, as a former sworn officer of the Crown, I prefer to use a pseudonym. But if everyone is prepared to provide public credentials for their identity, then I would do the same.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              As I remember it, when the unlovely Mr Man came back, he was challenged for giving a false email or something along those lines-false ISP ? But that was all-he didn’t claim to have contacted anyone about MM, because he probably didn’t do it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2016

              Yes, I thought that was what Lilly referred to as well.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              I really don’t understand why these coachroach infestations & spying & blog wars happen and cause these problems. But I don’t know the history and probably never will.

      • Oliver

         /  9th April 2016

        If you’re worried about me building profiles then you must be really worried about Google, Facebook, tweeter, telcos, and corporate websites that use cookies to collect all your metadata to profile you and sell it to other corporations. Not too mention pass it on to law enforcement and government.

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        • Gezza

           /  9th April 2016

          I don’t know about Lilly but it’s something that concerns me because I hear this all the time but as a barely computer-literate layperson I don’t understand exactly what metadata is collected or what sort of profile it can be used to create.

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          • Oliver

             /  9th April 2016

            Meta data is what’s recorded when ever you use the Internet. So say you click on Google then your click on Google is recorded by Google. If you click on porn hub then that is recorded. Everything you do on the internet is recorded including time, location, and who you communicate with. They also record credit card transactions so they know your identity. If you type in trampolines – then an add about trampolines will appear. This is not coincidence it’s because they are tracking your use. Google knows all your intimate details. It knows you better than anybody else. You tell it stuff you would never consider telling a real person. Your computer and your phone is spying on you. You don’t use the Internet the internet uses you, you are the product not the consumer.

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          • If PG does a post on metadata, or maybe I’ll write something for him, we can go into what it all is, means and does Gezza. Oliver is close.

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            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              Cheers Ben I’d appreciate that. I’d be interested to know whether browsers all work exactly the same in that respect too. I’m assuming they do.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  9th April 2016

              Why don’t you just write a post and send it to Pete, Ben? He’ll probably be happy to put it up.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              I am not interested in your profile on me, Oliver-all you know (if you really have a photographic memory for everyone’s statements but your own-you seem to have forgotten denying that the Holocaust took place at all) about me are things that would make it difficult to identify me without going to an awful lot of trouble. If you’re that fascinated-if you are, I pity you.

    • John Schmidt

       /  9th April 2016

      Collecting information on contributers was something I did years ago when news groups was the blog forum of that day. I was trying to use this information to undetstand the other points of view. I gave up on this activity also years ago as I decided it was not appropiate to collect this infornation and I simply lost interest in doing so.
      I now use techniques to hide my identity from others mainly to prevent idenity fraud rather than the government or their agencies. There is infinitely greater risk (identity fraud or fraud) than anything the government is interested in doing to you. To think otherwise is tin foil stuff.
      You have to make a real and deliberate effort to get on the Police radar such they would make an effort to gather any intelligence upon you. A serious crime has to be committed with you in the middle of it before this gathering of information happens. Same with the intelligence agencies, you have to come to their attention because your activities are seen to be a threat to the well being of NZ and they have to prove that to a judge to get a warrant to proceed. You have to be pretty bad to be on any warrant list. All this under the eye of the IGIS or the Police equivalent and ultimately by the court of law. So unless you are planning on beimg a criminal law breaker of significance or a threat to national security I would be focusing on preventing identity theft long before worrying about what the government may want to do to you.

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      • Oliver

         /  9th April 2016

        Seven words. Edward-Snowdon-metadata-blanket collection-five eyes.

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        • John Schmidt

           /  9th April 2016

          Except that has been discredited as a true source. Only the believers who want the world that we live in to be some kind of evil, continue to believe these so called conclusions to the revelations. Keep the tin foil hat on if it makes you more comfortable. I myself don’t have the same fear so I use tin foil for its intended purpose, cooking.

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  2. Pantsdownbrown

     /  9th April 2016

    PG “While freedom of speech is one of the fundamental principles of Your NZ there are responsibilities involved with the privilege to speak here”

    A certain person who was very fortunate to survive on here after posting some really awful Paula Bennett comments recently follows up today with “Corrupt, money making, big nosed Jew” and is again slapped over the hand with a wet bus ticket (having prior form in being a proud Holocaust denier). Add to that the obvious trolling and hijacking of topics by the same person and the site becomes far less readable.

    I think that is crap and hence are leaving the site.

    Freedom of speech is fine – hate speech of any sort should not be tolerated.

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    • If everyone who someone else stated was the pits was banned there would be few left. From memory including you.

      KG had had a number of advisories and warnings over time and chose to not comply with lenient requirements.

      Oliver has had warnings and has generally modified adequately as a result. If he persists in overstepping – in my opinion, not his, he has defended some borderline stuff – then he has to cop the consequences. When I decide.

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      • Pantsdownbrown

         /  9th April 2016

        “If everyone who someone else stated was the pits was banned there would be few left. From memory including you”

        That has no bearing on anything – some people don’t like some other people – fine, but I haven’t overstepped the mark, engaged in hate-speech or been formally warned for any other behaviours on here. You are comparing apples to oranges.

        “Oliver has had warnings and has generally modified adequately as a result”.

        So the Bennett incident – which should have been the absolute last straw for this person is followed up today with the words “corrupt’, ‘money making’ ‘Big nosed Jew’ (paraphrasing) is an improvement because the Bennett comments were so out of line and bad that being anti-Semitic is seen as slightly better?

        At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter Pete – your blog, your rules.

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    • Oliver

       /  9th April 2016

      If you are going to quote me at least quote me word for word and not out of context. Be hey I’m all for freedom of speech so say what you want. But you loose credibility when you modify the facts to support your narrative.

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      • Oliver

         /  9th April 2016

        Above comment is @PDB.

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      • Oliver

         /  9th April 2016

        I said there is no conclusive evidence that the holocaust happened on the scale that was reported in later years. I didn’t say it didn’t happen at all.

        I said the guy who commented on Paula Bennett was saying what we were all thinking. I didn’t say I agree with what he was suggesting.

        I said John Key was a banker and a Jew which is a fact.

        So get your facts right PDB. Don’t bend the truth to suit your anti left narrative.

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        • Pantsdownbrown

           /  9th April 2016

          Social Housing Minister Paula Bennett has received a death threat that dares anyone to “shoot the bi*** dead” at her next public appearance.

          Oliver: “I said the guy who commented on Paula Bennett was saying what we were all thinking”

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        • I said the guy who commented on Paula Bennett was saying what we were all thinking. I didn’t say I agree with what he was suggesting.

          Saying ‘we were all thinking’ very definitely suggests you agreed and that everyone else agreed, the latter being obviously wrong.

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          • Oliver

             /  9th April 2016

            If someone cuts you off when you’re out driving and you think I want to punch this guy in the face – it doesn’t mean the you will act on your thoughts it just means you’re angry and imagining punch the guy in the face helps you process the anger. The is both normal and healthy – ask an psychologist.

            When I said it was what we are all thinking – what I meant was we all feel frustrated by Paula Bennett’s incompetence. I saw the comment as a guy processing his anger at Paula – but it was just that a thought and not action. This is not the minority report when you can arrest someone just for thinking something, well not yet.

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            • “what I meant was we all feel frustrated”

              But you can’t speak for we all. And you presumably don’t know what the “guy processing his anger” meant. And there’s a danger that by at least appearing to support what he said it risks giving him or others the perception of a green light to escalate and even to carry out some sort of physical action.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  9th April 2016

          Key’s mother was Jewish but not his father. Therefore he is as much not a Jew as Jew genetically. His wife is not Jewish either. Her parents were Irish, one Catholic and the other Protestant.

          There is only one person bending the truth or trampling all over it here, Oliver, and if I were a Lefty, heaven forbid, I would disown you.

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          • Oliver

             /  9th April 2016

            Jew laws says you’re Jewish if your mother is Jewish, regardless of your father’s ethnicity. So that make JK Jewish and why you see pictures of him at synagogues.

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            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              You used a stereotypical phrase typically associated with the anti-semitism of the Nazis Oliver. Moderation out was appropriate. Your remark the other day about Bennet also appeared to be advocating support for her suggested assassination, Moderation also appropriate.

            • Oliver

               /  9th April 2016

              I can’t control how you perceive my comments gezza. But I can assure you no harm was intended. If you believe so than that is your imagining and nothing to do with me. You’re accountable for your perceptions, and interpretation.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              I made a comment the other day that I would still argue was not offensive but Alan took it to mean something clearly offensive that I did not intend. Pete reached the same view. It was moderated out. If two people interpreted it that way and one was (I believe a very fair, good) moderator I have no objection whatsoever.

            • Oliver

               /  9th April 2016

              Your not bothered by lack of freedom of speech? You can’t suppress someones speech just because you find it offence. You can’t expect people to say what you want them to say, that’s what makes us unique. People say things that I find offensive all the time. But I respect their right to freedom of speech. We have forgotten what freedom of speech is, because our media decides what they think is acceptable and then they censor what they think is unacceptable. And then we go along with it. They are the thought police. That doesn’t mean they are right, in fact they are wrong to do that.

            • Gezza

               /  9th April 2016

              I take your point about freedom of speech being completely unlimited. It led to the deaths of millions. It’s not always a good thing. Pete moderates his blog according to reasoning & principles he always explains. It is his right. It’s his blog. I think you should accept the moderation and move on.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  9th April 2016

              John Key is Jewish according to Jewish law-he can’t not be if his mother was. But the rest of the comments were plain silly-he doesn’t have a big nose, any more than I have.

    • Conspiratoor

       /  9th April 2016

      Don’t throw your toys pants, In my view you make a worthwhile contribution. That was a bit on the nose (excuse the pun) of ollie but offence can’t be given, only taken. I doubt whether JK would give a rats arse what ollie thinks and neither should you
      Like you I enjoy the freedom this blog offers but just choose not to respond to lightweight comments unless it’s harmless banter done in good humour. The world will not tilt on its axis when ollie bashes away at his keboard
      Cheers, C

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      • Gezza

         /  9th April 2016

        I’d hate to see you disappear from here PDB. Some of the putdowns I’ve seen on this forum are so contemptuously scathing I was taken aback initially. But the wit behind a lot of them is priceless and they’d be nothing like I gather you’d get as a first year law student if you made piss poor attempt at an argument, And they certainly get me thinking. The diversity of views has been good for me. Pete moderates the excesses well enough to keep me coming back for more.

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        • Conspiratoor

           /  9th April 2016

          Right on the nose there G. Damned with faint praise. Some of the insults are so subtle I’ve had to read them two or three times to decide whether they are in fact an insult

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  9th April 2016

            Yea! … Me to … bro …. Conspiratoor. I am reading again. 🙂

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  3. Pete Kane

     /  9th April 2016

    As I said over at Open forum Saturday.

    PDB: “Freedom of speech comes with responsibility.”
    Perhaps like using one’s real (and accountable) name?

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  9th April 2016

      Are you really ‘Pete Kane’? Do I care? If that is really your name does that make your opinion more relevant or correct to mine? Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to speak regardless if that is using your real name or not – its the words that are important.

      Your point is invalid anyhow as most people posting on here don’t use their real names – and for good reason considering loonies like Oliver admit to keeping ‘profiles’ of people (see above).

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  4. Pete Kane

     /  9th April 2016

    “Are you really ‘Pete Kane’? ”
    Yep.
    Kelburn,
    WELLINGTON

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  9th April 2016

      I think you missed this bit: “Do I care?”

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      • Pete Kane

         /  9th April 2016

        How possibly could we know what you care about? We don’t know who you are – other than an evidently ‘very’ graceless individual. Sorry, couldn’t assign gender – not enough information.

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        • Lilly Franks

           /  9th April 2016

          You’re proving the point I made above about using your real name and ego. You seem to think that because you use your real name we know who you are, but we don’t. Pantsdown on the other hand has a charisma to his posts that transcends identity, you just post shit, but because it’s really you we’re somehow supposed to care more?
          And we’re somehow interested in what wankhole suburb you live in, or do you want us to look you up in the phonebook and give you a call at 5 in the morning?

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  5. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  9th April 2016

    One of the problems I have with your site Pete is that there is no way of telling at what time someone has posted a comment…..
    I think this is needed to show how a debate develops… in time …as well as between commenters.

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    • Yes, that is a bit of a nuisance. I’ve just had a look at settings and it seems to be a fixed feature of the theme I use. So the only way of adding the time is to find a theme that includes the time. But a new them can mean a lot of changes, so it’s not a minor change.

      I’ll look into the whole look and feel thing some more.

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  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  9th April 2016

    Freedom of speech…try (even now) singing ‘The Soldier’s Song’ in Sandy Row (Belfast) and see what happens.

    There’s a place in County Kerry where, even these days, if you ask someone called Gleeson if they’re one of the ‘helping Gleesons’ you’re considered to have asked for it and you’ll have no sympathy from anyone when you get it.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  9th April 2016

      My Dad went to Gleesons Pub once and told the stories.

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  9th April 2016

        Wayne got beaten up one night in the Kings Arms, when someone overheard him talking about some of his staff “…taking Maori days off” 😳

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        • Pickled Possum

           /  9th April 2016

          Hahahaha you are so funni Nelly ,,, AWWWW Wayne 🙂

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  7. Kitty Catkin

     /  9th April 2016

    The Kerry Gleesons were forced at gunpoint to pull Cromwell’s army’s cannons up a hill, and have been known as the Helping Gleesons ever since. Anyone who’s fool enough to ask them if they’re one of the Helping Gleesons is also asking for everything that happens as a result-and they’ll get it and serve them right. The Irish have long memories-they leave Maori long memories standing. You should have heard my mother when she worked out that the nice old Englishman in our street was probably a Black and Tan in his younger days; all Hell broke loose.

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