The floggings will continue until polls improve

‘One Anonymous Bloke’ had seemed to have reduced their targeted harassment at The Standard for a while but they are back to their practice of repeated abuse and smears, with little or no attempt made to address arguments other than attempting to discredit people deemed to be from the wrong political tribe.

Not a good look for (I think) a Labour Party activist.

From one thread on Who is behind the New Zealand Initiative? – many aimed at one person, but also generally against liberalism and the ‘right wing’.

Yes, even her closest victims noticed the massive gulf between Libertard and Earth.

And:

To argue against it, all you have to do is notice that the closer to Libertarianism any country gets, the more slaves there are: the actual real world effects of your fatuous notions are the exact opposite of the rhetoric you espouse.

And:

In North Korea, the Soviet Union and China, the weak prey upon the strong just as they do in New Zealand Singapore and Hong Kong.

Libertarianism favours the strong, and right now, in New Zealand, the number of children living in poverty – comparing apples with apples, has doubled since 1984.

In so many ways you have utterly failed to grasp, poverty is violence. Whom will you inflict your vile creed upon next?

And:

Witless gimps mouthing platitudes such as “no intelligent company director would kill their own workers”. Flailing incompetence in possession of dogma and a ministerial warrant.

And:

Why are voluntary activity and trade your cherry-picked benchmarks, when I specifically mentioned health and safety? Your opinions – and the incompetence they foster – depend on you never knowing the “ins-and-outs”.

The real world doesn’t conform to the crackhead’s twisted vision. Pay it no mind.

And:

It was trash like you. Own it, get some personal responsibility then fuck off to Randistan.

And:

This is one of the reasons you’re known as trash: poverty doesn’t offend you, but harsh language! Oh! The humanity.

Weka defends this string of abuse (so her understanding of the toxic nature of this behaviour was short lived):

“is abuse not moderated here?”

Only where it’s pointless or flamming. Read the Policy (at the top of the page).

OAB again:

I’d remembered it as 2.7%. It makes no difference to the basic point: poverty is violence, imposed upon the poor, and your rote-learned dogma blames the victim.

And:

Nope, just one you disagree with, and that’s the extent of your contribution.

Meanwhile, if Ayn Rand bludges on Medicare while snorting crack in a forest, will a Libertarian ever have anything other than empty rhetoric to show for it?

And:

Empty rhetoric, and flaccid ad hominem tantrums. Meanwhile, my life is fine: warm house, good relationships, rewarding work,

Got anything substantive to say, trash?

Full of irony – it’s common for online bullies to accuse others of what they are guilty of.

Imitation: not merely the sincerest form of flattery, also the only weapon in a Rand-parrot’s arsenal 😆

And:

Nobody forced her to choose the USA over Somalia.

And:

How does someone ‘harm’ another person through peaceful exercise of economic power?

By switching off their electricity, for example. By raising the rent. By attacking the incomes of lowest paid workers. By espousing Objectivist gibberish while holding the office of Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

By not realising that Grey’s Law is talking about you.

And:

And then, the next thing you know, the Talley’s employed practical Libertarian principles and put the ethical competition out of business.

Paging Dr, McGrath, it’s time for your reality check.

And:

No. Surely you’re familiar with the admiring tones of your beloved crackhead’s paean to William Hickman.

And:

Wonder no longer: they pretend poverty is a result of poor choices because they’re pretending their personal good fortune is a reflection on their character and competence.

It’s self-serving confirmation bias parroting the ravings of a crackhead. Interesting from an anthropological perspective and that’s it.

And:

There really is no equivalent progressive think tank.

Quite true: the Left has peer review.

I’m peer reviewing OAB’s behaviour because the left seem to be remiss.

And:

Universities, scientists, and other reality-based researchers.

A rare non-attacking comment. Then on to some TS infighting.

Putting words in mouths and thoughts in minds. Stop projecting your feeble misanthropy: you’re boring.

Yes dear.

“The worst possible system apart from all the other ones” – does that phrase ring a bell in this context, Weka? It should, because I’ve employed it in answer to CV’s feeble projections enough times.

Another non-attacking response, but a general attack on ‘the right wing’.

That isn’t quite what I meant.

Right wing “think tanks” exist solely because fact-based research invariably debunks right wing reckons, so they need to invent a bunch of bullshit to avoid saying “make our donors richer now!”. What use is such distorted sophistry to the Left?

And:

patients and much of the media will never have access.

Depends what you mean. The Lancet, for example, is free. That isn’t the significant barrier to most, though: the barrier is study, or to put it another way, ignorance. Railing against ignorance is futile: no-one can know everything.

Anyone can apply the scientific method, though, or how would right wing lies ever get debunked?

And:

The reason the Right needs think-tanks is that they can’t handle the truth: I’m quite happy to derive left-wing facts from peer-reviewed journals, thanks.

At a time when the Rights’ attacks on education are doing serious harm, the left’s job is to first defend, and then repair our schools and universities, not compete for funding.

And:

The same as for anyone else: great leaps forward have occurred and some steps back.

25 comments on a thread of 200 – standard tactics of abuse and  attempts to discredit until they drive away views deemed to be alternative, followed by generalised attacks on the right.

OAB’s resident trolling is typical of the left’s stepping backwards. This is why the left and The Standard are not taken very seriously.

An intolerance of any non-tribe contributions, critical thinking or debate, with sustained harassment a common tactic supported by others openly (as per Weka) and supported by a lack of intervention by site moderators.

But it looks is unlikely to change. One Anonymous Bloke has been doing this unrestricted for years.

The floggings will continue until polls improve.

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  1. Kevin

     /  26th April 2016

    Hmmm,I wonder how long it’d be before lprent turns up and bans, not OAB of course, but a few of the posters he’s attacking:

    http://thestandard.org.nz/standard-changes/#comment-1076654
    “I watch OAB’s comments as I used to watch the behaviour of eye dogs and huntaways pushing sheep and cattle around. It tells me where to look.

    There have been several effective troll / bullshit finders on the site over the years. They use variants of the same technique, which is usually short caustic comments that cut close to the bone.”

    OAB’s knowledge of libertarianism is about as much as someone who argues with a straight face that it means ignoring someone who’s drowning.

    “OAB’s resident trolling is typical of the left’s stepping backwards. This is why the left and The Standard are not taken very seriously.”

    The Standard is run by a genuine looney lefty:
    http://thestandard.org.nz/the-secrecy-uprising/

    And as far as I know Prentice hasn’t taken down the clearly defamatory comments in the Rodney Hide thread. Here’s me thinking putting the site “in danger” was a capital offence over there. Must be only if you’re not a looney lefty.

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    • Lizzy M

       /  26th April 2016

      So OAB performs the same role for the Standard that Alan Wilkinson performs here. Obedient watchdog troll (or troll watchdog – it’s much of a muchness).

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      • Who are you to just turn up and attack one of the YNZ contributors? Alan and I don’t always see eye to eye but he’s honest, comments under his own name and doesn’t care about people’s opinions of him.

        Even the lefties here respect him and rarely disagree with his content. Sometimes the delivery can be angry but none of us are perfect.

        What have you contributed of substance here?

        Alan’s scathing wit is often impressive even when I’ve been on the receiving end. Your wit is nonexistent and your attacks are unwarranted.

        Good day to you.

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        • Lizzy M

           /  26th April 2016

          Sorry, I meant “the role that Alan Wilkinson and Ben Rachinger perform here”.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  26th April 2016

            First time I’ve ever been called obedient, Lizzy. I’d be deeply offended if you weren’t just a Lefty. And leave Ben alone. We like intelligent contributors here.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2016

              “We like intelligent contributors here.”
              Oi! That’s a bit unfair. What about me?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th April 2016

              You rate well, Gezza. Don’t be modest.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2016

              Sometimes you say the sweetest things Al. Of course, then there’s other times … 🙂

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th April 2016

              I just call it the way I see it, Gezza. Sometimes you even agree with me and me with you.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2016

              😀

        • Lizzy M

           /  26th April 2016

          Lizzy M is my own name, abbreviated. FWIW.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  26th April 2016

            Good. Now say something worthwhile.

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            • Lizzy M

               /  26th April 2016

              “The loony left will never amount to anything until they recognise their place in the world as the serfs of the deserving and the diligent”

              Like that?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th April 2016

              Nope. Neither intelligent nor true. The loony Left will never amount to anything until they recognise that the rest of the world is not bad or mad but just has evidence that extreme socialism fails to achieve its goals so disastrously that it causes immense harm and suffering – and that milder forms have to be checked for the same genetic symptoms.

            • Kevin

               /  26th April 2016

              @Lizzy M

              *Votes up*

      • Kevin

         /  26th April 2016

        I’ve seen no evidence of that. Certainly PG doesn’t treat him with any favouritism, or anyone for that matter.

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  26th April 2016

        @ Lizzy
        Al Obedient watch dog troll … hahahahahahahahaha …. 2 years later …. hahahahahaha
        you are so funni, stand up comedian even … Al is himself thank goodness and not to be confused with OAB – Obstropolous Angry Bar-stard. FWIW 🙂

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        • Gezza

           /  26th April 2016

          Obstropoulos. 🙂 I love the way you add to the lexicon Possers.

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2016

            sp. Obstropolous. Soz. (My other word might be Greek) 😳

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            • Pickled Possum

               /  26th April 2016

              yep yours is Greek … saw it somewhere, where? cannot find it now?.
              my word has depth and meaning pertaining to OAB
              dontcha think Gezza 😉
              Lexicon hmmmmm
              Possers !!!! a new name for the day?
              ok Gerry Gezza …Kahore – No and Never to be confused with poseur!
              laffs alot lol

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  26th April 2016

              No, it isn’t Greek. it’s a meaningless neologism.

            • Gezza

               /  26th April 2016

              A neologism (/niːˈɒlədʒɪzəm/; from Greek νέο- néo-, “new” and λόγος lógos, “speech, utterance”) is the name for a relatively new or isolated term, word, or phrase that may be in the process of entering common use, but that has not yet been fully accepted into mainstream language.

              There’s hope for it yet Kitty. The Grecos might be able to use it for some new invention. I should trademark it – it could make a fortune!! 😎

            • Pickled Possum

               /  26th April 2016

              YaaaAAAa!!! Geeza we were not … wrong or exactly right but it comes from the GREEK word meaning new … so half right?
              Trademark it? hmmmm.

        • Pickled Possum

           /  26th April 2016

          Afternoon miss kitty
          A what? So it’s not Greek then it’s neologism albeit meaningless?
          Just googled the word and google says it’s a newly coined word or expression.
          so who coined it? was it a country or a man from a country?
          and what does meaningless mean with that word neologism? English reo is so hard to learn but I want to. Thank you. 🙂

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2016

            @ Possum – a word is a neologism if it’s a new word that doesn’t already exist and it’s caught on & is starting to get used more widely to describe or refer to something. It might arise as slang among young people, or the military, or business, or internet usersetc. Recent neoligisms include “babylag” (when you get really tired after having a baby), and “crowdsourcing” – getting contributions of money from people usually via internet for fund some project or activity.

            “Obstropoulos” isn’t really a neologism because the only one who’s used it is me and it’s probably never going to be used by anyone else. It’s just a mis-spelled nonsense word. 🙂

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      • So OAB is an ‘obedient watchdog troll’. Prentice has trained him well. What sort of troll are you?

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    • David

       /  26th April 2016

      When the revolution comes, OAB will be the witch-finder general.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2016

        Given how some revolutions turn out he might be first up against the wall. Revolutions are a tricky business.

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  2. Blazer

     /  26th April 2016

    nothing wrong with ‘personality’!Comments about Hide are not defamatory that are true…even Hide knows that.

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    • Kevin

       /  26th April 2016

      It’s The Standard’s supposed policy to remove comments that could be defamatory and ban the author of the comment. Whether the comment is true and can be defended is irrelevant as Rodney can still drag them through the court which is what the policy supposedly seeks to avoid.

      In reality it’s just a weapon for Prentice to ban those he doesn’t like.

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  3. alloytoo

     /  26th April 2016

    For a moment there I thought I was reading comments on a YEC website.

    Similar tactics, similar attitude.

    Both in denial about reality.

    All candidates for a Dunning-Kurger evaluation.

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  4. Iceberg

     /  26th April 2016

    “distorted sophistry”

    What’s the phrase searching for here?

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  5. OAB has a particularly rampant dose of Freudian psychological projection. His constant is inmitigated anger, which has overtaken all reason and he misses the sheer mass of irony inherent in his every raving.

    “Stop projecting your feeble misanthropy: you’re boring.”

    “It’s self-serving confirmation bias parroting the ravings of a crackhead.”

    I suggest a goodly dose of his own medicine:

    “Own it, get some personal responsibility then fuck off to (Peer-review-ville”)

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  6. Lizzy M

     /  26th April 2016

    Perception / confirmation bias can be a funny thing. You see what you want to see. I just read some of that exchange and I see Richard McGrath trolling a left wing site with some unabashed Rand-love.

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    • Gezza

       /  26th April 2016

      Sometimes they are witty and sometimes only half so.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th April 2016

        You stole my line, you thieving rotter. I stole-I mean recycled it-from someone else, I must admit.I sent mrMan into a right old tizz-wozz when I said that someone had called him a wit-and they were half right. Dear me, such language !

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  26th April 2016

    Yuck, after that dive into the nether world do you feel a need to take a shower, PG?

    The intellectual dishonesty is overwhelming. At a sufficiently extreme level, incompetence is indistinguishable from malevolence. TS is a toxic combination of both.

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  8. Gezza

     /  26th April 2016

    Out of interest, how do you reckon the comments on Kiwiblog stack up against TS?

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    • Kevin

       /  26th April 2016

      Personally I think the comments on kiwiblog are as bad as the ones on TS. Shows how important it is to have good moderation.

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      • Gezza

         /  26th April 2016

        Perhaps Pete could whack in a few of their more pugnacious ones for comparison sometime?

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        • Perhaps you could

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          • Gezza

             /  26th April 2016

            I don’t care to. I don’t go there very often but when I do I see some pretty catty stuff. I’m just noting that it’s not only TS that has some nasty rhetoric.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th April 2016

              Yes there are some who just go there to throw mud at each other. A shame because there are some good commenters too.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th April 2016

              At least Farrar doesn’t join in or censor like the Lefty mods.

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