Sociopath post at Whale Oil

It’s a bit odd to see Spanish Bride posting prominently as the wife of a man called a sociopath.

Andrew Little e-mails the wife of a man he called a Sociopath on One News

Andrew Little called my husband a sociopath on One News in 2014 but continues to send me chatty e-mails. If he and his Labour volunteers are too incompetent to notice that I use them for Blog posts, then I guess I will have to keep on using them. Unfortunately they are so yawn inducing that I am struggling to make fun of them.

But she goes ahead and tries. She also says:

At least there was one interesting part of the e-mail. I mistakenly thought that Labour represented the criminal class, those on benefits and sometimes the working class but I was wrong. They now want to represent middle New Zealand whatever that is.

She doesn’t explain why she had thought that Labour represented the criminal class.

But back to her headlining a historical reference to her spouse being called a sociopath, which seems odd. She is referring to this from One news in December 2014:

Andrew Little: Cameron Slater’s a sociopath who knows John Key’s secrets

Speaking on TV ONE’s Breakfast this morning, Mr Little questioned Mr Key’s judgement in not ending the relationship.

“Cameron Slater is a difficult personality, I think it’s probably not too fine a point to say he’s a sociopath,” Mr Little said.

“He’s not a person any responsible politician should be associated with, but the Prime Minister seems to have this unhealthy relationship.”

That seems mostly history now. Key appears to have effectively ended any relationship he may have had with Slater, and like most politicians and journalists has distanced himself as much as possible.

Spanish Bride chose to headline the ‘sociopath’ aspect of the comments. Is that all that’s still relevant?

Here is a sociopath check list:

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

  • Glibness and Superficial Charm
  • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
  • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”
  • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
  • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.
  • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
  • Incapacity for Love
  • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.
  • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
  • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.
  • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
  • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.
  • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.
  • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

There’s probably little bits of that in most of us, but those symptoms will be more likely and more prevalent with a sociopath.

Raising the historic sociopath comment by Little at all was a very odd in the post by Spanish Bride. Especially so given the timing.

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56 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  7th May 2016

    Found myself going tick, tick, tick quite a bit there. But a few crosses as well. Starting with the first one – Glibness and superficial charm.

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    • Bangle Boy

       /  7th May 2016

      It’s hard to be charming with sweat beads on your forehead, moist armpits, and an unctuous nature.

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  7th May 2016

      I think you have a ‘tick problem’ rather than being a sociopath – here try this……

      http://www.orkin.com/other/ticks/

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      • Gezza

         /  7th May 2016

        Lol. I meant I was checking off some ticks for Cammo, PDB. But … now you bring up it up … those tick pics do look a bit like woodlice. 😎

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    • Corky

       /  8th May 2016

      No, you are a Sociopath. The others are too scared to tell you. Still. the good news is its better being a Socio than the latest excuse going around for miscreants- bi-polar disorder.
      Kind of like Hannibal Lechter versus Frankenstein. Franky has no class.

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      • Gezza

         /  8th May 2016

        Glass Houses there Corkers. Lol. I don’t scare anybody mate. You on the other hand fair give me the willies with some of the awful stuff you spout. 😎

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  2. Missy

     /  7th May 2016

    The problem with labelling a collection of traits as being one personality types is that everyone displays these traits at one time or another, or in certain circumstances.

    I have at one time or another displayed some – or most – of these characteristics, as I am sure many people have, but I don’t consider myself a sociopath.

    I am not sure it is helpful that the mental health field works in this way, listing a pile of traits and then saying if you have x number of these traits you are a certain type of person, or have a certain type of problem, they are all human traits, and the problem is we may not display these traits to some people, but will display them to others, so it is all very perceptive.

    In saying that, CS certainly has some issues, and on his blog definitely shows many of these traits, but is his online persona the same as what he is like in real life, or is it exaggerated, or is he just putting on a certain persona for the blog?

    Please don’t think I am defending him, I am not, I am questioning this type of categorisation of people.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  7th May 2016

      Quite true Missy. Put me down for 5, although never more than 3 in a single day

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      • Gezza

         /  7th May 2016

        A problem the pyschiatric profession has these days is that with each issue of the DSM, the psychiatrists’ Bible (they’re up to DSM V now) the various categories of mental disability and personality disorders get wider, newly classified conditions are added, and diagnoses get more & more equivocal. It’s a very inexact science.

        There’s a lot of crossover in psychiatric diagnoses now with many disorders being diagnosed as co-morbid – the person has more than one condition – a dominant primary disorder perhaps with co-morbid features of others. Depressives with obsessive-compulsive behaviours. Sociopaths with Extreme Narcissist traits as well – that sort of thing. There’s a lot of debate about the difference between Sociopaths and Psychopaths as well I think – and even over whether there even is any difference.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  7th May 2016

      Surely it’s easy for the extreme left or right to define a sociopath: Someone who disagrees with them?

      I think that’s about as useful as these pop psychology posturings.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th May 2016

        I think not. A friend fell foul of and married a woman who has all of these characteristics-he was her ‘dear man’ until the wedding ring went on, but then it was a very different story and the abuse began. The lies she tells are extraordinary-and changing. Among others, her mother, despite the fact that her father was a very well-off man, arrived in NZ with a blanket, a rifle and something like 10/- and became a drover, driving animals across the Auckland Harbour Bridge in the 1930s. (!) The supposed grandfather, a very well-known engineer in India, did not have any children who survived childhood, but that doesn’t worry this liar who has provided him with a second (non-existent) wife when it became obvious that he and his wife couldn’t be her grandparents. The lies continue. My mother’s schooldays in the UK were told back to me as this woman’s own.

        She is manipulative, abusive and grasping. When her husband collapsed, she didn’t want to go to him because she was having a cup of coffee. She made him go outside in all weathers to pee in the garden-I imagine that his aim was a bit off. This was a man who was now 80 who had provided her with the house she lived in. When one meets someone like this, these things seem like anything but pop psychology.

        She and her matron of dishonour claimed that one of the Pike River victims was her son-later changed to grandson, it was thought to be one, but was the other-so that the brave woman went ahead with being the unblushing bride’s attendant and was given all the sympathy that one would expect in the circs. What heartless cashing in on someone else’s tragedy-the real grandmother, by chance. was interviewed on the news. Very bad kharma for the two manipulating liars.

        She made a wonderful man’s life a misery-and the description above could have been written about her.

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    • jamie

       /  8th May 2016

      “…but is his online persona the same as what he is like in real life… ?”

      Online, on the radio panels, in television interviews – Missy these activities ARE his real life.

      If he is exaggerating or faking for effect, then that’s what HE is doing with his life.

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  3. Strong For Life

     /  7th May 2016

    Mrs Whale thinks Labour represents the criminal classes because of the actions of Labour MP Kelvin Davis and others who championed NZ criminals who are rightly being deported from Australia for being naughty boys and girls. Mr Davis and co think there is something wrong with this.

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    • Gezza

       /  7th May 2016

      It’s not just the whales, John Key was the first to come out with that characterisation of their concerns as I recall. >:D

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th May 2016

        Oh, my name’s Jack, and I live at the back/ Of the Greta Garbo home for wayward boys and girls.

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  4. Hall

     /  7th May 2016

    I guess Cameron Slater is a sociopath he ticks all the boxes. I’ve suspected this for along time. But now we have confirmation.

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    • Iceberg

       /  7th May 2016

      “But now we have confirmation”

      You are the king of the grandiose claim. On the basis of a checklist on a blog, you’re prepared to make a psychiatric diagnosis of someone you’ve never met, on behalf of “we”.

      Don’t think so cowboy.

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    • Hall

       /  7th May 2016

      you’re assuming I have never met him… you can’t trust people who make assumptions.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th May 2016

        It’s the price & website from which you got your psychiatry degree that’s being questioned.

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      • Hall

         /  7th May 2016

        Gezza you don’t need a piece of paper to know stuff. You’re quite capable of making observations without a piece of paper.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th May 2016

          You also are quite capable of making observations when you know stuff-all.

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        • Gezza

           /  7th May 2016

          you can’t trust people who make assumptions

          You’ve never costed a project, have you? 😎

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      • Iceberg

         /  7th May 2016

        Oliver 2.0

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th May 2016

          Am I being paranoid, or does someone around these parts sound very like -l-v-r ? The style is very like theirs.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  7th May 2016

            This checklist is the one that is generally used for seeing if someone is a narcissist/sociopath.

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          • Pantsdownbrown

             /  7th May 2016

            When I first saw the posts I thought it was Blazers logo, but it is slightly different (same colour)……very much a mix of that and that poster (you mention) old design – spooky, but of course purely coincidental.

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        • Hall

           /  7th May 2016

          I don’t get it. Someone full me in.

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  5. Ratty

     /  7th May 2016

    Odd too that She claims Little “sends me chatty e-mails”.

    I just wonder why she signed up to receive these “chatty e-mails” along with the thousand others who have ?

    Nah, shes just cherry picking and being a big sooky drama queen.

    Unsubscribe to his emails if your knickers are getting in a twist about it..

    Its real easy…

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    • I still subscribe to Whale Oil, getting daily emails from them. I just haven’t got around to working out how to unsubscribe. They are easily ignored and deleted.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  7th May 2016

        You could always block them, Pete. Or tell the PC that they’re junk and then block them. It would be very mean to tell the PC that they’re phishing scams…

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    • Hall

       /  7th May 2016

      Anyone can get emails from Little just go to the Labour website and subscribe to receive emails. I do it for all political parties.

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      • Gezza

         /  7th May 2016

        Why don’t they just do it themselves? o_O

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  7th May 2016

          I’m such a lucky girl-that nice David Seymour sends me friendly emails ! .

          Me and everyone else who subscribes-sigh.

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          • Gezza

             /  7th May 2016

            I bet not. I bet it’s just you, sweets. ❤

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th May 2016

              Oh-oh-do you really think so ? (giggles and blushes)

            • Gezza

               /  7th May 2016

              Yup. The others just get business-like ones. 😎

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th May 2016

              Well, mine do begin ‘Dear beautiful Kitty….’ so you may be right.

            • Gezza

               /  7th May 2016

              Wait … that’s odd. My one did as well … o_O

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  8th May 2016

              (blows tea all over keyboard)

  6. Pantsdownbrown

     /  7th May 2016

    Pete Mod • 2 hours ago

    [Note – this refers to Pete the moderator at Whale Oil, not me – PG]

    [MOD] Notice to regular commenters (to be repeated tonight)

    There are clear signals that next week could be a bit of a bun fight for Whaleoil as a blog. Two events are scheduled that appear to have woken dormant trolls, lefties and social justice worriers, not to mention those with personal axes to grind.

    I, and Whaleoil, needs your help.

    The eyes of the world (ie: hostile media and commentators) will be on us. This means they will be on you. Even when they can’t find a morsel in what the blog produces, they will find it in the comments and attribute it to the blog as if it’s backed by Cam.

    Don’t respond to trolls. if you don’t know the person you are talking to, and they say something that gets you worked up, AND you let loose, you are likely to get sidelined along with the troll.

    Don’t embarrass the blog fantasising how other people might come to harm or even death. It will get you sidelined.

    Do not discuss things you believe are part of court proceedings that you haven’t seen in public from a respectable source. Doing so will get you sidelined.

    No matter how much you feel provoked, don’t respond. Inform the moderators and we’ll deal with it. If you act like a moderator, you could get sidelined.

    Don’t try to talk “around” suppressed court cases by using coded language. If we know what you mean, then it breaches suppression, and it will get you sidelined.

    I hope you’re getting the general gist of this.

    High standards, high quality, and leave the policing to the officials.

    Thank you.

    From Whale Oil: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2016/05/whaleoil-general-debate-684/#comment-2662843995

    [NOTE: This refers at least in part to things that cannot legally be published at this stage. There will be no toleration for breaching anything here or trying to guess what it’s about because that could be seen as a breach. Just wait and you will find out what it’s about when it is able to be discussed. PG]

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    • Pantsdownbrown

       /  7th May 2016

      Sorry PG, didn’t think about any possible confusion………….interesting post though from Belt.

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      • Hall

         /  7th May 2016

        PDB please use quotation marks next time so we know you are quoting someone else.

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        • Pantsdownbrown

           /  7th May 2016

          I said that EXACT same thing to someone on here once? What was the poster’s name again………………started with ‘O’. (now you are just taking the piss). MOD

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  7th May 2016

            O-O-won’t you rOLl those eyes ? Eyes that I just idOLIse !

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  7th May 2016

              Don’t you DARE say that name… 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  7th May 2016

              Not allowed. Pete’s already onto that one.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th May 2016

              ‘I, and Whale Oil, needs your help.’ (winces)

              They also need a book of the correct usage of English.

      • Yes, very interesting. A bit of prior warning to their commenters, a bit of trying to pre-empt things that will probably get an airing.

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        • Iceberg

           /  7th May 2016

          “they will find it in the comments and attribute it to the blog as if it’s backed by Cam.”

          It’s like he invented blogs yesterday, and because they’re so new, the media won’t be able to tell the difference between the blog author and a commenter.

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  7th May 2016

          Still, there’s a whiff of scandal in the air, and I, for one, am stocking up on popcorn.

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          • Gezza

             /  7th May 2016

            Yup/ Me too. I’ve got the beers in already and I’ll be ordering pizza as well. I’ll be skipping The Batchelor again. If it’s exciting enough I’ll be breaking out the Black Label to steady me nerves.

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            • Iceberg

               /  7th May 2016

              ‘I’ll be skipping The Batchelor again”

              WO on the iPad and The Batchelor on the big screen TV. At the SAME time!

              Happy to help.

            • Gezza

               /  7th May 2016

              Lol – Iceberg – stop rarking me up. If my views on The Batchelor aren’t already well enough known here, I meant I’ll be skipping the Bachelor again deliberately as always. >:D

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  7th May 2016

              Gezza wants to be on it, he’s just jealous.

            • Gezza

               /  7th May 2016

              If the WO show’s as good as they’re promising it to be, I’ll be on it all right. Probably have a cigar as well. 😎

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