Kitteridge explains ‘Jihadi bride’ comments

Both SIS head Rebecca Kitteridge and Prime Minister John Key have been criticised for scaremongering over ‘Jihadi bride’ claims, when it was revealed that New Zealand women had departed from Australia for the Middle East.

Kitteridge has explained her comments in an interview with NZ Herald – SIS head Rebecca Kitteridge denies scaremongering with Jihadi brides

SIS head Rebecca Kitteridge has denied she was scaremongering or misleading the public about New Zealanders going to the Middle East as so-called ‘jihadi brides’ and says she still believes it is a serious concern for New Zealand’s security.

In an interview with the Herald, Ms Kitteridge said she had spoken about jihadi brides at a select committee last December because they were a genuine security concern and the women were more likely to return to New Zealand than to Australia, even if they had previously lived in Australia.

Ms Kitteridge told the Herald she did not believe she had been misleading. “The information I gave was accurate.”

“In the case of the women who travelled to Syria, I explained they were New Zealand women who had travelled to the Middle East to marry Jihadi fighters. That was my focus, because that is the security issue. The concern for me was the fact we had these citizens in the Middle East who are quite likely, if they survive the experience, to return here.”

She said it was more likely those women would return to New Zealand than Australia because Australia was likely to turn them away. Its anti-terrorism laws allowed it to deny entry and revoke citizenship from foreign fighters and those involved in terrorist groups.

“So if those women survive their experience they will return, probably at some point. It is more likely they will come here than go to Australia even if they were entitled to live in Australia because the Australians are not too keen on having returnees.”

It is not a big threat, but it doesn’t take many involved with Islamic State or Al Qaeda to be a potential threat.

“So I don’t want to overstate it either.” She said it was the job of the SIS to detect and monitor any potential threats and pass it on to Police when needed. “So it remains a real issue for us. Not one I think the public should be worried about on a day to day basis but certainly one that it is our responsibility to continue addressing.”

She said the number of people on the SIS’ active watchlist had not changed since 2014 and remained at 30-40 people. The SIS was usually also pursuing between 60-70 leads passed on by other agencies or the public to assess whether somebody was enough of a threat to be put on the watchlist.

It is a new phenomenon for the head of the SIS to open talk about security matters like this publicly.

I don’t see any problem with what Kitteridge has said.

Perhaps there is more of a problem with the amplification of what she has said by media and politicians trying to make issues out of reasonable comments, to the level of distortion.

It would be interesting to find out why the women left from Australia. Is that because they were already living there? Or is that where women go to find contacts to the Middle East because there are no terrorist links in New Zealand?

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45 Comments

  1. Blazer

     /  19th May 2016

    took her 6 months to come up with that one.

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    • Do you disagree witgh what she says?

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      • Blazer

         /  19th May 2016

        yes,she makes a number of assumptions.She should have been unambiguous to begin with.This admin is always fearmongering,-boat people,terrorists,jihadi brides,etc,etc…it does so to validate its lapdog behaviour re U.S foreign policy.

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        • Can you be specific about what assumptions she makes, and whether they are or aren’t reasonable assumptions to make?

          Do you think Australia would be happy for them to return there?

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        • artcroft

           /  19th May 2016

          “She should have been unambiguous”

          I agree. And Labour should also be clear that when mention the Auckland housing situation they mean “bring back the Chinese poll tax”.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th May 2016

            In the case of the women who travelled to Syria, I explained they were New Zealand women who had travelled to the Middle East to marry Jihadi fighters. …

            My recollection of watching the video clip at the time, and again in an earlier discussion about this on YNZ, was that she didn’t actually say that – she mentioned they knew some kiwi muslim women had left for Syria. John Key said something like “jihadi brides?”. And she said “presumably, yes”.

            I don’t think we have ever been given anything in the way of confirmation they actually ever married ISIS arseholes or got involved in actively supporting them, but on the whole, with the passage of time, I’m quite happy to believe that there were probably monitored communications indicating their intent to do so and am glad to know they’re now on our watch list.

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            • Corky

               /  19th May 2016

              That was my recollection too regarding what Kitteridge originally said.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  19th May 2016

      You mean to repeat what we’d already told you ten times and what was crystal clear to anyone with half a brain. There is nothing new in any of it.

      But go right ahead,and blame Key. You know it is the Lefty nutter script and strategy.

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  2. artcroft

     /  19th May 2016

    But they left from Australia so clearly they were just going over for humanitarian reasons, the weather and the shopping.

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  3. Corky

     /  19th May 2016

    Its not numbers that matter to me. Its silent support for action against the West and the insular communities Muslims live in that should be of more concern. That’s a political problem. And its a problem easily solved, if it was tackled 15 years ago.

    I recently watched a clip showing a new wave of African Muslims landing by boat in Italy. All men, no women, all very meek and mild. I wonder how they’d l look and behave once ensconced in the local Muslim community? I bet they will be completely different people- arrogant, bullying and demanding.

    One number our politicians( and spooks) should worry about is- 5%

    Hats off to Mark Steyn who gave us fair warning of this situation with his 2006 book “America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It.” He took a heap of hate for writing that book.

    Unfortunately the message still ain’t getting through.

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    • Blazer

       /  19th May 2016

      the message about invading nations and or appropriating their resources you mean.Action=reaction.

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      • Corky

         /  19th May 2016

        Who did we invade?

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        • Blazer

           /  19th May 2016

          google U.S invasions since WW2..and learn something.Read Confessions of an Economic Hitman and learn some more.

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          • Corky

             /  19th May 2016

            Let’s tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.

            Give us some context, Blazer. And name the Muslim countries America hasn’t invaded.

            Have read the book( paperback). No problem with it. It shows our advanced thinking in the West by implementing quiet imperialism. Nothing any other country wouldn’t have done if they had the brains. In fact China has learnt from American, and is now implementing their own hit-man policies. They have a stranglehold on New Zealand and will in the future make as economic serfs.

            ps- some parts of the above book have been questioned by critics.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th May 2016

            How long have you been under the impression New Zealand is the US Blazer? Doesn’t how quickly you can fly down both islands and that our leader is a white guy and we have no fighter aircraft and stuff like that give you clues something’s not adding up there?

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  4. “It would be interesting to find out why the women left from Australia. Is that because they were already living there? Or is that where women go to find contacts to the Middle East because there are no terrorist links in New Zealand?”

    Clearly Kitteridge successfully mislead you, Pete!

    These women were Australian residents. They did not leave NZ to wage jihad. They weren’t here in the first place. They were Aussie residents, radicalised in Australia. That’s the essence of the complaint about the SIS head’s lose words. It makes it sound like some Kiwi women were radicalised here and hatched a plan to go join ISIS from here in NZ. In reality, they’re just Aussie residents whose only tangible link to NZ is their heritage and their passports.

    There could be an issue if they end up back here, but that’s not what Kitteridge and Key talked about at the time. Both seemed happy with seeding the idea that there were ‘Jihadi brides’ here in NZ, when that was not the case.

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  5. Was anyone actually scared by what Kitteridge and Key said?

    Or were the scaremongering claims the scaremongering?

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    • I wasn’t scared, but I was slightly mongered.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th May 2016

        -monger
        “combining form:
        – denoting a dealer or trader in a specified commodity. “fishmonger”
        – denoting a person who promotes a specified activity, situation, or feeling, especially one that is undesirable or discreditable.”

        Very good,TRP. 😀 Your point is a good one, too. I can’t remember if we were ever told how long these women had lived in Australia when it was finally admitted that was the case. I’m assuming their activities were monitored by ASIO & intel passed to SIS. Even so, it’s still good to know they’re on the radar now. I am prepared to be generous for now & suggest that putting the information out there was partly a warning to potential would-be Islamist radicals here that their activities would very likely come to GCSB/SIS attention, so don’t go there.

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    • Hall

       /  19th May 2016

      Her foolish comments mad me think that all Muslims women in NZ are terrorists.

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  6. Blazer, surprisingly, not all wives are not soldiers as such, but some are/were. But all wives stayed home and kept te api kaa and endured the fact that at any stage they did not know whether their husband, father of their children was alive. They dreaded the sight of an officer and a padre coming up the path. A lot of our soldiers are also wives wth their partner father as caregiver keeping the home fires burning back home when they are deployed on active service. Your gender assumption is a tad offensive. Regardless, the partner left behind endures all of the slagging off that is published by ill-meaning commentators, and they do it silently because that is the military ethos. Something that you will never understand Blazer. So no more insults to our servicemen who are deployed at the will of the elected Government of the day who represent all of us.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th May 2016

      Kia ora bj. Sometimes one of the joys of Google Translate/Maori is its limitations. For api kaa I got p car. Te Aka dictionary gives me ahi kā – roughly,I think, home fires burning. Is this the meaning of te api kaa in your te reo tangata dialect?

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      • Maaf sekali, (sorry!) Gezza, my second language is Bahasa Indonesia where api is interchangeable with ahi, hence my confusion. It is like Ayer, (wai), benua (whenua). langit (rangi) and api (ahi). But my point does not change.

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    • Blazer

       /  19th May 2016

      you have missed the point BJ.I forgive you.

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  7. spanish_tudor

     /  19th May 2016

    There is no problem with what Kitteridge said. The only idiots making an issue out of this are the Gweens, who would dispense with all our intelligence and security operations if they ever got the chance.

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  8. Hall

     /  19th May 2016

    Kitteridge was scaremongering how else would you describe it. But now she has been forced to explain here self like a little child who misbehaved, we all know explaining is losing. So what has Kitteridge achieved for national security other than making false accusations and adding to the prejudice of innocent minority groups? nothing. Our biggest threat to national security is from John Keys hometown Israel. Yes, Mossad stealing NZ identities to produce fraudulent NZ passports for god only knows what devilish purpose.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th May 2016

      Thanks for explaining that.
      Israel isn’t a town, it’s a country.
      John Key was born in Auckland and grew up his hometown of Christchurch.
      All the best for the next geography & history tests. You may need to study more for those. 🙂

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    • The Zionists misuse of NZ identities is small potatoes, Hall, they’re currently misusing the identity of the historical nation of Israel.

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      • Hall

         /  19th May 2016

        Yes I agree, I would support the deployment of troops to Israel.

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        • Gezza

           /  19th May 2016

          Only if they go there with troops from heaps of other countries as well and they disarm everybody.

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  9. Another reason to criticize Kitteridge and Key is that the term “jihadi” isn’t an accurate description of if ISIS militants, since the term applies only to Muslims – ISIS are only superficially Islamic and are generally reviled in Muslim countries.

    By using this language these two useful idiots are effectively advancing Gladio B, which tends to demonize Islam through the use of Islamic extremists as proxy terrorists.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio/B

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