“Memorandum is really paper thin”

Waatea 5th Estate looked at the Labour-Green Memorandum of Understanding, and Dr Wayne Hope said that with no Labour policies and therefore no shared policy platforms the agreement is just “a piece of paper”.

Martyn Bradbury: Wayne All Labour and Greens really want out of this is the perception of a bloc so that when TVNZ and TV3 (Newsbub) roll out that latest polling data they look far closer to National’s total than they do when it’s separated out. Will this announcement be enough to help remind New Zealander’s that the election is a hell of a lot closer than than is currently being perceived?

A typical Bradbury question loaded with his own opinion. The election is still well over a year away, probably closer to 17 months away, about half a term.

Former Alliance Party candidate, political media blogger and lecturer at AUT School of Communication – Dr Wayne Hope

Wayne Hope: The announcement’s too little too late in the absence of any shared policy platforms on key areas. And the key areas are taxation, housing policy, climate change mitigation, employment creation.

Now without a shared platform, costed policy platforms around those key issues, then this Memorandum is really paper thin, nd you can’t have one without the other.

And that’s why I’m a little bit cynical about it, because one of the problems here is that the Labour Party itself has not developed it’s own policy on those particular areas.

Labour have said they will work on their own policies, and on any joint policy agreements with Greens, some time in the future.

Wayne Hope: What is the labour Party policy on taxation as of now?

What is the Labour overall strategy to redress the housing crisis as of now?

What is Labour’s view on climate change as of now?

In the absence of developing settled positions on those policy areas we’re not going to get shared policy platforms with the Greens, and if that doesn’t happen soon enough then this memorandum will just be a piece of paper.

It’s hard to argue against that, unless you are a dedicated Labour or Green supporter with  ambition absent any substance.

Andrew Little and Metiria Turei have repeated their shared policy platforms:

  • Get bad John Key
  • Get that awful National Party
  • Change the Government
  • Change the Government
  • Change the Government
  • Don’t mention Winston

They want voters to dump the known and trust in the unknown.

They seem to hope that the voters don’t care that what happens after the election because the memorandum is just a piece of paper that gets ripped up on election day.

Source: Waatea 5th Estate  – Left Wing Jedi Council debate the Labour-Green MoU
– segment from about 6:40

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35 Comments

  1. Ray

     /  5th June 2016

    Marty might be right, it will also remind voters that a vote for anybody but National means we get the Greens and their version of the future.
    A future that could look like North Korea, leaders and chosen ones swanning around while the rest of us scratch out a living.

    Reply
    • lurcher1948

       /  5th June 2016

      One in every 100 is homeless, is this NZ the way you want it?

      Reply
      • That number depends on what you call homeless.

        There may be a major flaw in that statistic on motel stayers, unless the study differentiated between emergency stays for the homeless versus normal use of motels.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th June 2016

          Beej might be able to get us that info. He’s quite good at digging up the numbers on things once he knows what he’s looking for Pete.

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    • Gezza

       /  5th June 2016

      How do you scratch out your living at the moment Ray? If you’re making millions flogging off real estate they might rack that back a bit, but otherwise, who knows, you might still be ok? Green energy futures could be worth a punt?

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    • Corky

       /  5th June 2016

      North Korea, a Greens wet dream. Kids play on main arterial roads……literally.

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    • That’s a good point.

      Highlighting the fact that Labour and Greens need to be joined at the hip to have a chance of getting into government next year is a two edged sword.

      Some Greens and some Labour supporters think it is what they need to do to defeat Key and National.

      Some Greens and some Labour supporters may think otherwise.

      More importantly swing voters who have largely stayed with National, in part because they fear a Green government aren’t likely to swing next year if a Green-Labour alliance is highlighted.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  5th June 2016

        I’d be as mad as a wasp if I was a tradiional Green or Labour voter.

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        • Blazer

           /  5th June 2016

          your assessment of White Anglo Saxon Protestants is quite profound ..Kitty.

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  2. Blazer

     /  5th June 2016

    ooohh, so scarey Ray,did you check for a red under your bed this morning,and watch out for men with beards and cellphones.

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    • Gezza

       /  5th June 2016

      watch out for men with beards and cellphones

      Martyn Bradbury fits that description, though I reckon he’s going for the ZZ Top look and it’s nothing more sinister than that, Blazer. Ray’s got nothing to worry about there.

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      • Iceberg

         /  5th June 2016

        He’s struggling a bit since Dotcom stopped topping up his prepay.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th June 2016

          Never trust the Germans. My old man used to say that.

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          • Gezza

             /  5th June 2016

            Hey – who downticked me? Quite a few of them spent 3 1/2 years shooting at him in North Africa & Italy, and once the Fallschirmjaeger held out a white flag in Italy & when our blokes went up to accept their surrender they opened up on them with MG 42s. Surely you can understand where he was coming from?

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    • PDB

       /  5th June 2016

      Blazer: “did you check for a red under your bed this morning”

      What were you doing under Ray’s bed??

      Reply
  3. Gezza

     /  5th June 2016

    PG, why am I getting the feeling you’re not The Bomber’s biggest fan, and that you are not as fully behind the Labour and Green parties following the announcement of their Memorandum of Understanding as they probably would have hoped? :/

    (Apologies if I am misreading you and have somehow got this wrong … ) o_O

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    • You’re right, in general I’m not the Bomber’s biggest fan. His political successes since I’ve known of him have been sparse, and his pronouncements and predictions have been awfully awry – he admitted as much after the 2014 election.

      I applaud his enterpise with setting up The Daily Blog and Waatea 5th Estate – more forums and panels on politics is healthy – but his bombastic, highly opinionated and sometimes extreme rants are not a style I am a fan of.

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      • Iceberg

         /  5th June 2016

        Would anybody actually appear on that show if it wasn’t for Jackson dragging them along?

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        • Blazer

           /  5th June 2016

          A very stupid question,even for you.You get invited onto a show.You can accept or decline.A situation you will never come across.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th June 2016

          You mustn’t watch Bomber, he’s too animated & looks like a cartoon character, Iceberg. Just put the show on speakers & listen some distance away.

          Laila wasn’t as hard on hard on the ears as I expected. She’s not as dim as I thought.

          Katie Bradford did a shit job of covering the speeches. All I could say in her favour was at least last night she wasn’t bursting out of a jacket that was too small for her.
          How was tv3’s coverage?

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      • Kevin

         /  5th June 2016

        As a blogger and a presenter he’s actually pretty good. He just lacks credibility and takes the wrong side.

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  4. Ray

     /  5th June 2016

    Gezza, remind me of the things that the Greens oppose, and how they don’t apply when they do it. Thinking fuel powered taxpayer travel here
    Or international trade, or just about everything that makes our economy fire.
    Sounds like North Korea which is more feudal than red

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    • Gezza

       /  5th June 2016

      Well yes, but if they’re just allowed to save the snails, and help clean up the waterways, and Labour manages to come up with something not to scare the shit out of the tradies & the business community, you never know Ray? It might work for some. The thing is they probably both stand to crash and burn as much or more with this waffly MoU as they might if they both committed to a coalition now, sorted out who was boss of what, and just got on with developing policy.

      Then if it doesn’t work, the brighter ones who know how the world really works and can see how to pitch better to the centre can jump out of nga waka after Nov 2017 and get into that new party we need.

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  5. PDB

     /  5th June 2016

    The fact this all ends the night before election day can only suggest this is simply a means of legitimising electorate seat deals between the two without appearing hypocritical, hence why the only goal of the deal appears to be ‘getting rid of the govt’.

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    • Blazer

       /  5th June 2016

      What a worthy goal it is.

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      • Gezza

         /  5th June 2016

        Yep to be fair I think it is a worthy goal B. They’re rooting things in few areas. But the problem is finding a better alternative that won’t just root things in other areas.

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        • Blazer

           /  5th June 2016

          I have faith,I look to Canada,after near 10 years of a neo lib corporate lackey govt the people saw the light and elected Justin Trdeau who I believe will surpass his old man as a legendary poli in a wonderful country ,alot like ours.

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          • Gezza

             /  5th June 2016

            True dat. He also has a lot of appeal to les femmes which will help keep him there I reckon.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  5th June 2016

      Are you serious, Pants ? It ends WHEN ?

      Own goal ! Own goal !

      hee ! I once saw someone scoring an own goal in reality 😀

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      • Gezza

         /  5th June 2016

        Did they win it for the other side?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  5th June 2016

        Happens quite often in soccer either by a deflection or a misdirected pass back.

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        • Gezza

           /  5th June 2016

          Serves them right Al. They’ve all got rugby as an option.

          Reply

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