Swiss UBI vote: 23.1% in favour

Results of the referendum in Switzerland for a Universal basic Income:

  • No 76.9%
  • Yes 23.1%
  • 0 of 23 Cantons in favour

Swissinfo.ch: Basic income plan clearly rejected by Swiss voters

Switzerland has become the first country in the world to hold a nationwide vote on introducing an unconditional basic income. Despite a spectacular pro campaign, there was no hope of it winning a majority.

Only some communes or urban districts in cantons Zurich, Bern, Geneva as well as Vaud and Jura came out in favour. 

“The campaigners failed to present a convincing funding scheme for their proposal. But they managed to launch a broad debate about an unconditional basic income,” says senior political scientist Claude Longchamp.

The promoters – a group of humanists, artists and entrepreneurs – have admitted defeat but they have pledged to continue their campaign.

“There is a genuine interest in the issue as numerous public discussions have shown,” says Oswald Sigg of the initiative committee.

It’s an idea that’s certainly worth publicly discussing, but it looks like it could be a good idea in theory but too many problems in practice.

 

 

45 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  6th June 2016

    Actually the problem is that it is a bad idea in theory which is why only the self-deluding want to try it in practice.

    • Pete Kane

       /  6th June 2016

      What a stupid comment.

      • Gezza

         /  6th June 2016

        Getting popcorn brb

        • Pete Kane

           /  6th June 2016

          Sorry, old man – what the heck does BRB mean?

          • Gezza

             /  6th June 2016

            Be Right Back. I’d say it’s an acronym, but probably best to call it an initialism before someone else pops in & does their block about terminological inexactitudes.

            Alan must be at lunch Pete.

            • Pete Kane

               /  6th June 2016

              Nap!

            • Gezza

               /  6th June 2016

              Fightin’ talk there.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th June 2016

              Good lunch. Pete is next on the menu.

            • Pete Kane

               /  6th June 2016

              Lunch today Roast Lamb – relatively simple, essentiality Rosemary and Garlic, not that much more. Cabernet Sav., well South Australia to be honest. Marinated to 70’s Values standards – I would have thought so.

          • Pete Kane

             /  6th June 2016

            It’s called sleeping – isn’t that dreaming? Actually in all seriousness the concept of ‘income’, in our time, is just as much the issue of climate change.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th June 2016

              When the RB starts issuing climate change notes we’ll really be in trouble. I don’t see any problem with the concept of income. It is simply credit for doing things other people want. I see no reduction in the amount of things other people want.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  6th June 2016

        No, it’s dead accurate, Pete. No-one has been able to explain how it will do anything but add to the number of welfare beneficiaries and the overall cost of them.

        • Pete Kane

           /  6th June 2016

          Doctor, and I really mean this Alan, and I’m not saying I have all the answers by any means, but I really feel income for ‘ordinary people’ is the prescient issue of our time .Won’t matter to me (or you) but, well, we all make our stands.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  6th June 2016

            As above, income is just credit for doing things other people want. The state has made it harder to turn those credits into cash by putting an army of bureaucrats and a library of regulations around the process as well as siphoning off its own funding as tax and fees. The UBI seems to be just an attempt to give up any reform and surrender to a life outside the state’s mechanisms funded by a dribble of welfare from it.

            • Pete Kane

               /  6th June 2016

              Alan it’s life at worst, and quality there after. You are a scientist , why are you making a science out of an art? It’s normally what you guys berate us for.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th June 2016

              As I understood it, the UBI here would make most people worse off if that was all that they had. If top-ups are needed for almost everyone, why not leave it as it is ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th June 2016

              How many bottles of Cab Sav did you sink, Pete? I am far too far behind to make any sense of that profundity.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th June 2016

              The downvoter might like to explain the advantages of being worse off financially, As someone whose income has plummeted, I can’t see what these are and would be interested to hear why this is better.

            • Gezza

               /  6th June 2016

              i’m with you, sweetness. The Big Kahuna didn’t work out well for me at all.

  2. Brown

     /  6th June 2016

    Real people with a real say and keeping the political activists and politicians where they belong – nothing in common with NZ.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  6th June 2016

      We do have a say-every three years we have an election, which is the ultimate say.

      Swiss women didn’t have a say until, I think, the 1970s, when they were given the vote. Maybe women aren’t real people.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  6th June 2016

        Yes, it was the 70s. Some of the cantons didn’t let women vote until 1991-98 years after women had the vote here. Real people ? Yeah, right.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th June 2016

          All downhill from there, Kitty. Are you taking up Gezza on the trip to Raro?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  6th June 2016

            ? What trip ? Can the dog come ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  6th June 2016

              Downhill ? How ? Here or in Suisse ?

            • Gezza

               /  6th June 2016

              it’s all right with me but I’m not going halves in any vet or quarantine fees.

            • Gezza

               /  6th June 2016

              Some of the cantons didn’t let women vote until 1991-98 years after women had the vote here. Real people ? Yeah, right.

              The Saudis finally saw the light last year, I think – but there’s still a job for sistas like you in Vatican City, Kitty. I think that might be the last country left where women aren’t allowed by law to vote.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th June 2016

              I was going to say that the Swiss gave up their bank secrecy and surrendered their banking tax haven status to Singapore but on checking it seems they are still doing pretty well financially anyway, Kitty.

      • Some Swiss women didn’t have a vote until the 1990s, such can be a political system based on referenda.

        Women in Switzerland gained the right to vote in federal elections after a referendum in 1971.[1] In 1991 following a decision by the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland, Appenzell Innerrhoden became the last Swiss canton to grant women the vote on local issues.

        A previous referendum on women’s suffrage was held on 1 February 1959 and was rejected by the majority (67%) of Switzerland’s men.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Switzerland

        I’ve been to Appenzell out of curiosity.

        Appenzeller Alpenbitter is quite nice:

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  6th June 2016

          I said that earlier-about the 1990s voting “D

          There’s a disgusting Belgian drink which is raspberry beer. There may be a strawberry one, too.

  3. Blazer

     /  6th June 2016

    I’ve got Kane ahead on points at this stage.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th June 2016

      You must have been pouring his drinks.

  4. Pete Kane

     /  6th June 2016

    I’m not running but have to break but will be back -one of the two most important issues of our ‘;existence’ (and both denied by AW and KC – shame on them ,and Ulster).

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  6th June 2016

      Ulster?? WTF? Hope you come back more coherent, Pete.

      • Gezza

         /  6th June 2016

        Might be Catholic Al.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  6th June 2016

          You’re the resident expert, Gezza – apart from Nelly.

          • Gezza

             /  6th June 2016

            I notice she never mentions Wayne’s religious affiliations. Could be a mixed marriage.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  6th June 2016

              Quite possible given her apparently enthusiastic exit from the convent.

            • Gezza

               /  6th June 2016

              Think they may have called and paid for the taxi.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  6th June 2016

        Ulster ? My parents were from there. I have no idea what he’s on about-or on.

  5. David

     /  6th June 2016

    a UBI is such a loopy concept, its basically communism dragged into the new millenium. Its hard to even know where to start with pulling it apart but probably easier asking anyone if they can come up with a basic reason for its existance.

    • PDB

       /  6th June 2016

      But Gaweth and the Gweens said a UBI in this country would be a ‘game-changer’??

      Gaweth is an expert in everything.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  6th June 2016

        Pants ! You’ve solved the question ‘Who is Oliver ?’ !

    • David

       /  6th June 2016

      If the form that Labour have floated it;s nuts, but don’t forget that Milton Friedman was a proponent of negative tax rates. That would end the entire welfare system.

      Of course that would horrify Labour, UBI would just be the base benefit, with the welfare system layered on top.