Sign up to ‘our values’

ACT MP David Seymour says that refuges should sign up to ‘our values’. This sounds like a populist poke.

NZH: Refugees should sign-up to our values, says Act’s David Seymour

Act Party leader David Seymour welcomed the quota’s increase to 1000 from 2018 – but said new arrivals should sign a “statement of commitment to New Zealand values”, including freedom of speech, and respect for women and those of different sexualities.

“Countries like Australia and Belgium require immigrants to sign a statement of commitment to national values. A New Zealand Values Statement could include a commitment to respect the basic freedoms that make this country a wonderful place to live.”

Seymour doesn’t seem to have explained how a set of ‘our values’ might be defined, how a pledge to uphold the standards would work in practice.

There is no way a values pledge could be enforced, it would be futile with changes of attitudes and could not do anything about children of refugees.

Who would define what values should be pledged to? The commenters at Kiwiblog?  Authors at Whale Oil? Commenters at The Daily Blog? Authors at Boots Theory?

As a country we couldn’t have a civil discussion and decision on what our flag should look like. I don’t see much chance of defining values that new citizens must pledge to.

And what about existing citizens and the values they live by?

Shouldn’t New Zealand citizens all endeavour to set an example by which refugees and immigrants could follow by examplke?

 

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  1. David

     /  13th June 2016

    “Who would define what values should be pledged to? The commenters at Kiwiblog? Authors at Whale Oil? Commenters at The Daily Blog? Authors at Boots Theory?

    As a country we couldn’t have a civil discussion and decision on what our flag should look like. I don’t see much chance of defining values that new citizens must pledge to.”

    How about the freedom to have a different opinion without being machine gunned by the people you disagree with?

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  2. Years ago, Don Brash fell victim to this assertion. He spoke of ‘Kiwi’ values, but failed to adequately define them, and in that absence, Helen Clark had him up on the differing values of a young Polynesian male versus a middle-aged white woman, for example, for which he had no comeback probably having spoken off the cuff.

    I’m no fan of Brash, but what I read into his words, and what he failed to articulate, was that he was talking about our fundamental values: freedom of speech, equality under the law, respect for minorities, etc.

    It would be impractical to enforce, but, in principle, I don’t see a problem with newcomers ‘signing up’ to our values if they are clearly defined.

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    • David

       /  13th June 2016

      ” Helen Clark had him up on the differing values of a young Polynesian male versus a middle-aged white woman”

      Which values do they differ on? Rape is a crime, or what kind of heels are suitable for a Sunday brunch?

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      • I was thinking about a church-going, bright lavalava-wearing Polynesian who likes hip hop compared with a conservatively-dressed, secular, middle-aged woman who enjoys Wagner. Ya know, those surface cultural differences and preferences. But, fundamentally, still believing in the values of a liberal, secular society based on the rule of law.

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  3. Corky

     /  13th June 2016

    Kiwi values and No No’s:

    1) Helping others not of your predominate race eg Maori/Pakeha etc
    2) Being able to breed with others not of your culture or religion.
    3) Being generous with your time and money.
    4) Understanding the missus has rights, and if you disrespect those you will go to jail.
    5) Not circumcising your daughter.
    6) Not killing a female relative because she has been raped.
    7) Not sexually harassing or finger raping an uncompanied young women.
    8) Understanding Jews have rights too.
    9) No beheading people who disagree with you.

    I haven’t included free speech because we don’t have it.

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  4. Blazer

     /  13th June 2016

    our values….maintain the status quo…i.e private central bankers running the world the way they want….using whatever it takes…the end.

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    • Gezza

       /  13th June 2016

      I think you might’ve overlooked a few values & freedoms we take for granted … have a think … get back to us.

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      • Blazer

         /  13th June 2016

        you talking to Corky I take it.

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        • Gezza

           /  13th June 2016

          Nup. You. Corky’s already had a think.

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          • Blazer

             /  13th June 2016

            lost me,I’ve been thinking for years,not absorbing propaganda.

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            • Gezza

               /  13th June 2016

              What conclusions have you reached. All I can see above is one sentence about bankers. Not saying that’s wrong. Just wondering what else all those years of thinking has concluded about what’s better, living here, or living in Saudi Arabia, for example, if you’re not a muslim?

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