Harawira confirms he will stand again

Hone Harawira has confirmed he will stand for Te Tai Tokerau again in  next year’s election.

Toby Manhire was observant:

First item on list for : review Twitter handle/biog

Harawira almost immediately dropped out of everything political after losing in the 2014 election, and the Mana Party website also disappeared. Housekeeping like updating Twitter handles seems to have been missed.

Harawira himself doesn’t seem to have been active on twitter, but his MP twitter handle has been referred to including by @NZMorningReport and @Waatea5thEstate

UPDATE: RNZ now have an item on this: Harawira sets sights on political return

He told RNZ’s Mihingarangi Forbes on TV3’s The Hui he was re-entering the political fray because Māori lacked a strong voice in Parliament.

Mr Harawira said many Māori MPs got caught up in party politics, and forgot who they were meant to be representing.

“You’ve gotta have somebody in there who’s a fighter,” he said.

“Somebody who won’t be cowed by party politics or by Parliamentary politics, and is gong to stand up and say what needs to be said, whenever it needs to be said.

“Kelvin’s tried, I think Marama’s tried, but they keep getting squeezed back into that party box.”

The problem is that being ‘a fighter’ and not working with parties in Parliament means you are unlikely to get much done other than fighting talk.

To achieve things you have to get a Parliamentary majority. Individual fighters, or even a handful of fighters, are unlikely to succeed with much in a democracy.

Mr Harawira said he was unlikely to work with the Labour Party, which he thought was too centrist.

He said its leader Andrew Little had led the party away from its working-class roots.

“I think he sings from a different song sheet that boy, and it’s not exactly the song sheet that fits the Mana profile.

“He seems to be a nice enough guy, but he keeps bouncing around from trying to sound tough to trying to sound centrist, and I just think the leader of the Labour Party should have made up his mind by now.”

Mr Harawira said his former Mana Movement colleagues, Sue Bradford and John Minto, could be involved in the party, but in less prominent roles than in 2014.

 

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  1. The more the merrier !

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  2. Oh great Hone gets to come back and blame everything on white mofos, claim he would be unhappy if his kids brought home a white partner etc etc etc. The man is openly bigoted and gets a free pass on it. In my honestly held opinion.

    And John Campbell took a huge down step in my estimation in his interview with Hone at the time of his unhappy if his kids brought home a white partner comments by letting him evading answering “are you a racist” themed questions. St john show what a jellyfish he is when interviewing his side of politics – Len Brown interview example number 2 plus anything with a Green pollie.

    If a European politician said what Hone does he would be call a red neck to start with and it would get worse from there.

    Parliament doesn’t need Hone, but Hone needs parliament for the sweet salary and travel perks. How was Paris Hone?

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    • Blazer

       /  19th June 2016

      step back and look at things objectively….tell me honestly how many europeans you know would be completely happy if their young daughter brought home say an African boyfriend.

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      • NO Blazer. I know a few white boys and girls who have married samoans and maoris and chinese. and its not a problem.

        Hone was openly racist in his comment – and he never apologised and one of the leading journos of the day gave him a pass in my honest opinion.

        Its a double standard in operation and I hope the people of the TTT don’t vote his arse back in to parliament to achieve zero….
        again

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        • Blazer

           /  19th June 2016

          your sample is not compelling…Hone pointed out a double standard and most people know it.

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          • Nice to see you justifying racism Blazer… I’ve filed that away as part of who you are

            And nice attempt at that trust standby of switching to another topic or asking a question to divert from fronting the issue…..

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            • Blazer

               /  19th June 2016

              you are talking rubbish…I am completely on topic.Your prejudice is exposed for everyone to see.

            • Hahahahahaha Blaze you are so hilarious. Now its the old its not me its you

              Truly man/woman you need to won you shit.

              I judge people on actions and deeds. Hones relentless attacks and vilification’s of anyone who doesn’t bend to his views as white mofos tell me all I need to know about him and his supporters.

        • jamie

           /  19th June 2016

          “NO Blazer. I know a few white boys and girls who have married samoans and maoris and chinese. and its not a problem.”

          Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t. It depends on the people.

          But I think that misses the point of what Hone said, which as I recall was more to do with reflexive first thoughts and feelings and initial reactions. Wasn’t it something along the lines of ‘I don’t know if I’d be comfortable with that’ ?

          Now there may well be a bit of racism in those reactions, but I don’t think it’s as simple as that. It’s also about what our brains do when our world changes in ways we weren’t expecting.

          It doesn’t take a racist to have a subconscious expectation that their children are probably going to bring people into the family that look like the family, and that their grandchildren will probably look like them. There’s hundreds of thousands of years of programming behind that and it doesn’t get erased by a two-hour diversity seminar at the office on a friday afternoon.

          I happen to believe that it’s what you DO that’s racist. So I don’t think it’s necessarily racist to examine your feelings and say ‘actually I’m not sure how comfortable I am with this.’ It’s what happens after that that matters.

          Do you face your anxieties and make an effort to get over your prejudice? Do you talk about it? Do you kick them out of the house? Do you start a hate group?

          For his own sake he probably shouldn’t have said it, because our public discourse is usually far too juvenile to go beyond a yes/no black/white he said/she said level of discussion. Inevitably it would be interpreted as if he had LITERALLY said he wouldn’t allow a whitey in his family, because everything in our media/politics culture has to be framed as being for something or against it.

          But plenty of smarter politicians would’ve answered differently or evaded the issue entirely, while in all honesty probably thinking/feeling much the same thing.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th June 2016

            Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior. If you don’t believe your race is superior, technically you’re not a racist. You are prejudiced.

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            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              I think we’re all prejudiced. What we do about that prejudice is what I think of as racist or not.

              So I’m not saying Harawira ISN’T racist, I’m just saying that acknowledging his own prejudices isn’t what makes him one.

          • artcroft

             /  19th June 2016

            Yeah and I guess you can write an apology for anything if you try hard enough.

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            • PDB

               /  19th June 2016

              The irony is if John Key said the reverse about his kids dating non-European people the same lefty’s on here defending Hone would all be calling for Key to resign.

            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              I’d love to know what I’m apologising for.

              What have I said (actually said, no mindreading please) that you disagree with?

            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              Same question for you, PDB. Take your hand of it and see if you can engage with what I’ve actually said rather than something you’re imagining that someone else said in a hypothetical scenario you invented.

              What did I actually write there that you disagree with?

          • Beautifully constructed Jamie, a masterpiece of second guessing and justification. Social “science” justification at its best

            As I noted he had a national podium on Campbell Live to clarify his thinking and he wouldn’t address the topic of racism. He evaded and talked about anything but. So confirming his true feelings and thoughts.

            Don Brash, no favourite of mine, was crucified for less but its ok because you known Hone is Maori so definition can’t be a racist…

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            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              Could you point to the part you disagree with? It’s difficult to respond unless I know what you are referring to.

            • The whole justification Jamie. Its simple. He said something many people took as racist.

              He had a huge opportunity to own it, say it wasn’t his true position while on Campbell and he rejected that opportunity.

              His evasion and his many white mofo statements confirm who he is.

              You have made a reasonable sort of argument about being uncomfortable and confronting the underlying, deep set racism by owning and going again those possibly deep set inherited feelings

              But in reference to Hone is nothing more than tosh as he has never resiled from his racist comments like labelling people who hold to account about ditching his parliamentary duty in Brussels to day trip to Paris with his wife… see my link in another post on this thread ..

            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              Perhaps I’m being unclear. What part of my comments are you calling a justification? I don’t think I’ve been trying to justify anything.

              Can you try just responding to what I’ve actually said and not to some imagined conversation?

              What statement have I made that you disagree with?

            • Jamie… I’ll engage one last time….

              Your whole piece makes an excuse and diverts off into a nice little line on he didn’t mean it that way… and moves along on a nice detour of intent, meant, honesty, exploring yada yada

              “But I think that misses the point of what Hone said, which as I recall was more to do with reflexive first thoughts and feelings and initial reactions.”

              Which I have pointed out maybe 2-3 times in this thread is just BS – he had a platform to completely clarify his intent, to issue a nice sorry if I offend that wasn’t my intent on Campbell Live… But he never did and he never will is my guess.

              Maybe his reflex just reveals how he truly thinks – and I think his refusal to back down from the utterance when given ample opportunity confirms it was a truly deeply held belief with regard Europeans.

              You have a good night I’m off to watch some on demand tv…

            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              “Your whole piece makes an excuse and diverts off into a nice little line on he didn’t mean it that way… ”

              No, I didn’t say anything of the sort. And if I had, you’d be able to point to it, an invitation you have declined several times.

              There is no way we can have a conversation if you insist on talking for both of us.

            • Jamie – yes you did and I have quoted the piece back to you already

    • David

       /  19th June 2016

      He fell for the white mans beads and blankets, it won’t happen a third time….

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    • Peter Kane

       /  19th June 2016

      Hi Dave. Hone would probably reply that the “how was Paris’ question asked of his Whanau had a very different tone when asked as they were defending it in 1916.

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      • Peter Kane

         /  19th June 2016

        That was Dave 24.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th June 2016

        Do we know that his whanau were in Paris in 1916 ?

        Even if they were, that doesn’t justify his actions.

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      • Diversion Pete K as I think you know. I made a couple of points in my original post saying he had done pretty close to zero for his people while in Parliament, unlike the man he shows no respect for in Flavell.

        He demonstrated his contempt for NZ in general with his little detour in Paris. Hide did something similar and was vilified for it….. a double standard.

        As for standing outside Paris defending it – if in fact his family was there, what of it? My family bleed and I don’t use it as a justification or deflection for taking perks while in a position of power and trust.

        “Maori MP Hone Harawira has reacted to an email criticising him for bunking off a work trip to visit Paris, by lashing out at white people.

        In an email exchange released to Radio New Zealand, Mr Harawira accused “white motherf.******” of “puritanical bullsh**” for expecting him to follow the rules.”

        Gee White mofos yet again…

        Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10607653

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        • jamie

           /  19th June 2016

          What do you mean by “yet again”?

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          • do your research Jamie on Mr Harawira….. then you will know what yet again means…

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            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              I’m aware that he used the phrase in “white motherfuckers” in an email.

              “Yet again” seems to imply that you have knowledge of him doing this on other occasions.

              Do you?

            • Do your own research Jamie…. my honest recollection is yes he has…

        • Peter Kane

           /  20th June 2016

          Fair call Dave 24. Pete’s got a piece in today, which is the interesting part of the equation, I think, Labour. Although I also believe Winton’s influence may again play a large role in Hone’s fortunes. Esp. so given his Northland seat.

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    • Iceberg

       /  19th June 2016

      “Oh great Hone gets to come back”

      No he doesn’t. There’s no way in hell Labour will let him back in TTT.

      As an added bonus, he’s another fruit loop that National will paint as needed for the left to be in govt. Happy Days.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th June 2016

        If I had a daughter, I would NOT want her to marry into the Harawiras. I would think that there would be a lot of Maori parents who would feel the same.:)

        I wouldn’t want her to marry into the Minto or Dotcom families, either. Or the Tamakis. The colour is irrelevant, it’s the people whom I would not want to have as in-laws. I know many Maori families whose sons I would be delighted to have as sons-in-law, but the Harawiras ? No, thank you.

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        • Blazer

           /  19th June 2016

          how about the Key family or the Rothschilds…would you be comfortable with these as in laws?

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          • Blazer, read again what Kitty said, she said she drew the line on certain personalities, and was not racist in her comment. Your response asks if caucasian or jewish ancestors would be acceptable. That is beyond the pale!

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            • Gezza

               /  19th June 2016

              No it doesn’t: read it again BJ. It’s the same type of statement as Kitty’s.
              He mentions the names of some very rich people involved in banking.

            • Blazer

               /  19th June 2016

              no I never mentioned caucasians or Jews…you did.

            • Gezza and Blazer. So Key and Rothchild are neither caucasian or Jewish? You have to be joking!

            • Blazer

               /  19th June 2016

              @BJ-‘So Key and Rothchild are neither caucasian or Jewish? You have to be joking!…who cares!

            • Gezza

               /  19th June 2016

              Nothing Blazer said indicated he was asking Kitty if she would be comfortable with jews or caucasians as in-laws, bj. He asked about two rich families involved in banking. You are drawing a conclusion not supported by the facts. You are in fact wrongly accusing him of making a statement he did not make.

  3. Gezza

     /  19th June 2016

    I suspect Hone is a spent force as a politician. Kelvin Davis seems to be doing an adequate job. Splitting the Maori vote further will probably benefit no-one.

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    • Zedd

       /  19th June 2016

      The thing I like about MMP.. it is not intended to be a two-party system, NOR should it be… the country is better for its diversity. inc. Mana, U/F, Act & ALCP 🙂

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      • Gezza

         /  19th June 2016

        It’s a pity Possum hasn’t been posting here lately I’d like her thoughts on this post of Pete’s.

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    • Gezza, from North Wellington, you are making judgements about Te Aupouri country. When was the last time you were there, and talked to the Far North people?

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      • Blazer

         /  19th June 2016

        As if that is a pre requisite for commenting.I don’t play for the AB’s ,but like many I have an opinion about them.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th June 2016

        Bj, I live in North Wellington. I am from Taranaki, specifically from Ngati Tawhirikura rohe pōtae. I do not need to live in an electorate to offer an opinion on how votes may go based on previous votes and candidates’ actions. Nor do I need your permission to do so. Please resume your seat.

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  4. Nelly Smickers

     /  19th June 2016

    Gosh, I wonder if the ‘Big Guy’ will be throwing his weight behind Hone again??

    He sent me and Wayne a twit the other day to say he might even back Trump as well 😎

    https://twitter.com/Kim.Dotcom/status/743668742823915520?lang=en

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  5. artcroft

     /  19th June 2016

    One thing for sure, Hone won’t be short of a headline or two. That will make it harder for other smaller parties to get a share of the media attention. National will love having Harawira back in the race, especially if he brings Bradford and Minto with him (even a tired National Party going for a fourth term looks good compared to that collection of village idiots). Not so good for the Greens, Act and Dunne.

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  6. PDB

     /  19th June 2016

    Hone sold out his ‘people’ for Dotcom’s money, in Hone’s world it is ‘do as I say’ not ‘do as I do’.

    The Maori party have achieved far more than Hone and his crowd ever will if they are not willing to work alongside other parties.

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    • jamie

       /  19th June 2016

      Pretty much.

      Good judgement is probably the most important quality in a representative unless you’re lucky enough to elect one who agrees with you on everything. The dotcom affair speaks volumes about his judgement.

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  7. artcroft

     /  19th June 2016

    @ Jamie, “I happen to believe that it’s what you DO that’s racist.”

    And what you SAY is also something you have done. Calling others ‘mofos’ is to denigrate them for their race. Telling you daughter not to bring home non-maori boyfriends is to judge someone by their skin colour not the content of their character.

    Examining your inner beliefs is fine. Deciding you’re racist, are comfortable with that, and then sharing it on national TV is just good old fashion bigotry.

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    • jamie

       /  19th June 2016

      Yes, saying is and action. It is doing. I agree entirely.

      And that’s why I’m interested in talking about what is actually said, but I don’t see any value in talking about mindreading.

      If Harawira SAID something along the lines of what you say – that he’s comfortable with being racist – then sure, let’s talk about that. But I’m not going to waste time imagining that he’s comfortable with being a racist just because you’ve read his mind. Do you see the difference?

      I accept that my memory of what he said may not be accurate either. Perhaps it would be best if someone finds the video or transcript, then we can have a conversation based on objective reality 😉

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      • Gezza

         /  19th June 2016

        Something I bookmarked a while ago. It doesn’t give the full background to his “white mofo” and “wouldn’t like my daughter marrying a pakeha” statements, but it does give some interesting insights into Hone & his political views before he blew it at the 2014 election:

        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8887251/Is-Hone-Harawira-the-saviour-of-Maori-politics

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        • jamie

           /  19th June 2016

          cf “If my daughter ends up marrying a Pakeha, I will ultimately embrace that as part of my family; if she was to walk in with one, I would still feel uncomfortable”

          Obviously I have no way to know this for certain, but on a purely intuitive basis I don’t think that’s far from most people’s reality.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  19th June 2016

            I would hope not. Surely it would depend upon the person and their family. There are many people of all races whom one would not want as family members. Anyone from my hometown who heard that their son or daughter was going out with the S……………s or T…………s would be appalled.There are some Maori families who would provoke the same reaction, like the H…………..s.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th June 2016

              Now that I come to think of it, the T…………..s are a mixture, so many people of both races would be horrified at the thought of a T………….. in the family !

            • Gezza

               /  19th June 2016

              So would I. Imagine having a surname that consists of a T and 14 dots. People would be forever misspelling it.

            • jamie

               /  19th June 2016

              Would be tricky filling out forms where the dots are already there.

  8. Chris

     /  19th June 2016

    “He told RNZ’s Mihingarangi Forbes on TV3’s The Hui he was re-entering the political fray because Māori lacked a strong voice in Parliament
    Mr Harawira said many Māori MPs got caught up in party politics, and forgot who they were meant to be representing”

    When he was in Parliament last time he did all the things he is blaming the other Maori MPs for. Wasnt he the MP who was hauled over the coals by the speaker more than once because he was rarely in the House?

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    • Blazer

       /  19th June 2016

      No.

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    • spanish_tudor

       /  19th June 2016

      No, he pulled a stunt in 2011 of not wanting to swear the oath in English or without reference to the Treaty or some other nonsense… so Speaker Lockwood Smith ruled that he was not allowed to take his seat until he swore the oath – all the while being paid for his absence.

      He eventually swore the oath as required and took his seat.

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  9. Corky

     /  19th June 2016

    Translation: Hone misses the perks, especially the money for nothing. Not like the real world where you have to work for a living.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th June 2016

      Yes, MPs on the whole are a slothful lot, especially Ministers who think nothing of routinely only doing a 17 hour day.

      Do you KNOW any MPs ? I do, and I know how hard they work. Any who think that it’s ‘money for nothing’ will be in for a very unpleasant surprise and will be one term wonders. Anyone who thinks that MPs don’t earn their money (with a few exceptions, as there are in all professions) has never known any.

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      • Blazer

         /  19th June 2016

        did they tell you that Kitty?

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      • jamie

         /  19th June 2016

        I agree with Kitty.

        Trouble is a lot of what they’re seen doing doesn’t LOOK like real work to most of us.

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      • Corky

         /  20th June 2016

        I was talking about Hone. Please allow for Portfolio loads.

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