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20 June 2016

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  1. Nelly Smickers

     /  20th June 2016

    With the BREXIT vote looming, Katie calls it like she see’s it, as always…….

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  2. Blazer

     /  20th June 2016

    these are the sentences I need someone knowledgable to decide whether they are grammar or spelling issues…please…

    -‘all our mattresses are designed to ‘breath’ better to prevent heat build up….’
    -‘our mattresses cradle the body and relive pressure….

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    • Gezza

       /  20th June 2016

      All our mattresses are designed to ‘breath’ better to prevent heat build up—spelling error.

      The word breath is a noun—a word describing a thing like a person, animal, place, creature, or idea— and means “the air taken into or expelled from the lungs”. That sentence is therefore nonsensical.

      It should say “… designed to ‘breathe’ better …” because breathe is a verb, a word which describes an action. Breathe means to take in and expel air—usually to sustain life, which is why they put the word in commas, to show they mean it metaphorically.

      Our mattresses cradle the body and relive pressure….—spelling error again, which also makes the sentence nonsensical. Relive means to experience an event or feeling again in your imagination or memory.

      It should say “… relieve pressure …”, because relieve (in the sense in which it is should be used here) means to cause something to become less severe or serious.

      Blazer I’m not sure whether you’re having me on or not with these questions. Did you actually learn any Grammar and have spelling tests when you learnt English? Where did you learn English? Serious question. Thanks.

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      • Blazer

         /  20th June 2016

        I am not having you on….those sentences were by someone else.I pointed out the errors as spelling mistakes and was told no grammar.We made a bet…that is hard to prove conclusively it seems.

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        • Gezza

           /  20th June 2016

          No it’s not hard to prove conclusively. I just proved it conclusively for you.

          PS: There is an error of grammar in my second-to-last paragraph.

          Where I state “(in the sense in which it is should be used here)” Because I didn’t proof-read it properly and delete one, I have accidentally used two tenses of the same verb together … is and should be. It should have said “(in the sense in which it should be used here)”.

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          • Blazer

             /  20th June 2016

            thanks Gezza….don’t like my chances of being paid all the same!

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            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              @ Blazer. Well, fair enough—because technically, when I think about it more—the first one (breathe) is botha spelling mistake and an error of grammar.

              The writer has used the wrong word, but most likely by accidental omission of a letter, or by ignorance of the correct way to spell the word he or she obviously meant. That is a spelling mistake—but because the writer has therefore ended up using a noun word where it should have been a verb, it is also an error of grammar.

              In the second case (relieve) the writer has simply used the wrong verb by missing out a letter. It is clear from the context what word he or she meant to use, so they have simply misspelled it. There is no error of grammar in that sentence.

              To put it simply, a spelling mistake can sometimes – but not always – cause an error of grammar as well, because different types of words have different functions in grammar.

            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              PPS: What you should tell the person you are having the debate with is:
              fix the spelling error in both cases and you fix all the problems.

              In the first case, correct the spelling and you fix two errors.
              In the second, correct the spelling and you fix the only error.

            • Blazer

               /  20th June 2016

              after forwarding your thoughts this is the reply!

              You are welcome to do a search and you will see that your huge argument that was based on the DEER thing is definitely a grammar issue.

              The words breath and relive isn’t spelled incorrectly, but are used incorrectly (actually the wrong words in the sentence), therefore a grammar error. I have read on more than a dozen sites and more people lean towards grammar as (and I think they are right in saying this) looking at each individual word you will notice every word is spelled correctly, but in a sentence they don’t make complete sense (grammar problem)

            • Blazer

               /  20th June 2016

              and now this!…’Breath instead of breathe

              All the words are spelled correctly, but have different meaning and are not the right words that were to be used in that specific sentence. They are however spelled correctly hence, they must be grammar mistakes.’

            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              I don’t know who your language critic is Blazer but if they put those sentences to me when I was an editor I would tell them to correct their spelling because the context makes clear what word they meant to use, and they have incorrectly misspelled the word they intended to use.

              The spelling error is the primary error in the first sentence, creating a secondary grammar error. In the second case there is no error of grammar, there is an error of meaning, not structure, tense, or parts of speech.

              The best test of whether it is a spelling error that is the problem is to ask the writer to read the sentence out loud. If they pronounce the word “breath” as “breathe”, you know they have made a spelling error and fixing it removes the error of grammar as well.

              I wouldn’t take bets with the person who is advising you on this. I don’t think they are helping you identify what needed fixing: they are being pedantic and IMO, in the second case, simply wrong. The whole point of learning to use English properly is to avoid making mistakes & the most common mistakes I see among native English speakers these days are spelling errors.

  3. Corky

     /  20th June 2016

    I see the new Mangere Refugee Resettlement Centre has opened. The opening had an obligatory black couple with their children who talked like choice as Kiwis, mate.

    However in one report the reporter said the Centre’s new development would provide more appropriate accommodation for refugees.

    I do hope that doesn’t mean prayer rooms for Muslims and separate accommodation for Muslims only.

    Bet it does.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th June 2016

      As I can’t imagine that they will all be together in a big hall, as in a school camp, it would seem likely that Muslims will have ‘separate accommodation’ as everyone there does.

      I see nothing wrong with prayer rooms. Don’t be so mean-spirited. If there is one, it could well be one of those that’s available to all comers, but would you grudge Christians a little prayer room if there was one for them ?

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      • Corky

         /  20th June 2016

        ” But would you grudge Christians a little prayer room if there was one for them ?”

        I may be wrong, but that’s my point. I doubt they would ever consider a Christian prayer room. That’s because Christians probably don’t make a fuss. But Muslims…oh yeah, I bet they have special quarters different from the rest.

        Of course everyone wouldn’t be together in a big hall…..please allow for common sense.

        However, in fairness to all, I will pop them an e-mail.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th June 2016

          What arrant nonsense. A request can hardly be called making a fuss, and there are many places where a prayer/meditation room is available for all beliefs. If Christians don’t ask, they won’t receive. But as this is unknown, it’s a pointless debate.

          You did say that you hoped that there wouldn’t be separate accommodation for Muslims. All families will have this, I hope, regardless of religion. Don’t be mean-spirited. Do be thankful that you are not a refugee and show them some human decency and kindness. .

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  4. SUPPORT TO NZ VETERANS OF ACTIVE SERVICE

    I have previously resisted going Public on this state of affairs because of my personal involvement, However, the case of Lt Col Bill Blaikie, an Afghanistan veteran, father of 3, battling with the effects of PTSD and needing treatment that is not available here, but is available in Australia. This soldier is reduced to having to make a Public Appeal t raise the $40,000 needed for his treatment. He has been rejected by Veterans Affairs for support because they do not fund overseas treatment. The President of the RSA was sympathetic but no funds were forthcoming.
    Now isn’t it time that you and I start asking the hard questions of why not Veterans Affairs? And to the RSA, what happened to the thousands of dollars collected on each annual poppy day especially for the welfare of our Veterans?

    I have a personal problem with Veterans Affairs relating to their demand that I use the Health Insurance whichI have paid thousand of dollars over the years to ensure the health of my family, to pay for a mandatory procedure required to decide whether or not I could survive the treatment I required for an agreed attributable condition. When I attended the Hospital to go through the procedure, I found I was sitting next to another officer who was undergoing the identical procedure. I asked him if he had Health Insurance and he confirmed he had the same insurance as I did. He then said that Veterans Affairs had approved payment for his procedure but he did not have to use his Health Insurance.
    Now, I ask you is that fair, and was I receiving the same support for the same attributable condition?

    I wrote to Veterans Affairs and pointed out that their policy of requiring veterans to use their personal health insurance for the treatment of attributable conditions was “Ultra Vires” i.e. Beyond their right to make such a decision and in support quoted Sect 10 of the Veterans Support Act 201 which says :
    “(Section) 10 Functions to be performed and powers to be exercised in accordance with certain principles

    Every person who performs any function or exercises any power under this Act must do so—

    (a) in acknowledgement, on behalf of the community, of the responsibility for the injury, illness, or death of veterans as a result of them being placed in harm’s way in the service of New Zealand; and

    (b) in accordance with the following principles:
    (i) the principle of providing veterans, their spouses and partners, their children, and their dependants with fair entitlements:
    (ii) the principle of promoting equal treatment of equal claims:
    (iii) the principle of taking a benevolent approach to claims:
    (iv) the principle of determining claims—
    (A) in accordance with substantial justice and the merits of the claim; and
    (B) not in accordance with any technicalities, legal forms, or legal rules of evidence.”

    As this is a statement of mandatory guiding principles, I believe the principles of equal treatment of equal claims, the principle of taking a benevolent approach to claims, and the principle of determining claims with regard to the substantial justice and the merits of the complaint and not in accordance with any technicalities, legal forms, or legal rules of evidence far outweighs Veterans Affairs justification that they have the right to determine what and where treatment is to occur.
    It is my considered view that Veterans Affairs are wrong both in law as well as in terms of natural justice. By their decision they have created separate classes of Veterans, those who have Health Insurance and those who do not!
    What do you think?

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    • Sorry Lt Col Bill Blaikie is the correct name which my Grammar check changed automatically, sigh!

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      • Gezza

         /  20th June 2016

        I wish Blaikie luck in his fundraising. I’m sorry he can’t get the ongoing help he requires in New Zealand. If Veterans Affairs are permitted by legislation only to fund treatment in New Zealand they may simply be legally unable to assist him. Don’t know enough about the RSA guidelines for funding to comment.

        Here’s the Lt Coll Bill Blaikie Givealittle page for those interested.
        https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/onedollarwarriorsfightforbill

        Looks to me like you have a good case, bj. Though I know from past employment that similar cases are not always exactly the same for reasons not obvious to those making the comparisons. I wish you luck in your appeal to Vet Affairs nevertheless. On the face of it you seem to have a valid case.

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        • Hi Geeza, My appeal on my personal side has been rejected in a letter from the Head of Veterans Affairs and I do not have the funds to get legal help to prove Veterans are acting illegally. So my hair is getting whiter but at least I am waking up to the bird song and my very supportive wife of nearly 50 years. Thanks anyway for your sentiments

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          • The Veterans Support Act is dated 2014. Sorry about the omission in my post above!

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          • Gezza

             /  20th June 2016

            * What reasons did they give for refusing your request?
            * Have you made a formal application for review, and/or an appeal against an unfavourable review?
            http://www.veteransaffairs.mil.nz/rights-reviews/reviews/

            * If you have done both unsuccessfully, have you been to see your MP yet?

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            • They quoted section 107 2 b as their authority, it says:
              “(2) However, VANZ is not responsible for paying or contributing to the cost of treatment if—
              (a) the veteran is a member of the armed forces and the Defence Force is paying or contributing to the cost of the veteran’s treatment; or
              (b) the treatment is available under the New Zealand Public Health and Dis- ability Act 2000; or
              (c) ACC is paying or contributing to the cost of the veteran’s treatment.”

              I submitted to the Head of VANZ more than 3 requests to look at the problem. She dodged the answer in the first two letters I sent, and responded to my final letter sent by me in November 2015 with a reply dated February 2016. The response from VA id lightening quick as you can see. They are closing down the Hamilton Office on 29 June 2016, and centralising their services in Wellington thereafter. No doubt their responses will continue to be lightening fast!
              My considered assessment is thatI would have to take the matter to the High Court to confirm that Section 10′ s principles are at odds with Section 107 2 (b) above, and take precedent over the latter. I can’t afford the cost of such an appeal as I am reliant on my pensions and Defence Force Superannuation which I paid for.
              For all that, I remain grateful for the support I do get, but I consider we need a Minister with actual war service in Cabinet to make them realise they are dismantling the essence of the Defence of New Zealand for political purposes. It is a hell of a risk, and if the s*** hits the fan, just wait for them to blame the Generals for failing to be prepared as was the case in 1937 or thereabouts when the Colonels’ revolt occurred.

    • Hi bjmarsh1
      I would be very happy to help promote Lt Col Bill Blaikie’s cause and fundraising by making him him our face of the day. Please send me all the details I will need to help via either our tipline attn: Spanishbride or here in the comments. I would love to help.

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      • Iceberg

         /  20th June 2016

        You’ve probably hanged Ol Beej over there for insubordiantion in the past.

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      • Spanish Bride thank you, the details of Lt Col Bill Blaikies appeal page are given above. Please feel free to help, and do as much as you can to embarrass Foss! It may be relevant

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        • Following on from the glitch Spanish Bride , …It may be relevant that the Head of Veterans Affairs declined to attend or send a representative to the last 1RNZIR The Originals Meeting earlier this year. Given that this was the largest group of Malaya/Malaysia/Borneo/Vietnam Veterans who meet only every two years, the response of Veterans Affairs drew much negative comment.

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        • Blazer

           /  20th June 2016

          What I can not understand Colonel,is given your background,which I appreciate is a sincere duty and contribution to our wonderful country over many years ,that your submissions are not acted upon.Your C.V and your loyalty to the Nats is impeccable.All I can conclude is that in the big picture your $ contribution has no weight!Think about it..respect..even though I disagree on a number of things you certainly deserve ..respect.

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          • Thanks Blazer. It is difficult for an expert to change a politician’s ideology by words alone. One has to live his beliefs as an example. I respect your point of view, but will always contest your views when we differ. But hey, that is what this blog is all about, and our opposing views allow others to consider the merits of our individual positions. Isn’t that what we call freedom of expression? Remember, it was me that said I did not have the monopoly of truth first. I guess that your respect is worthwhile, and I also concede my respect for your contribution to this blog, this is not a truce!

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    • Corky

       /  20th June 2016

      I was talking to the secretary of the Mururoa Nuclear Veterans Group. They face an uphill battle also. The secretary has pre-cancerous lumps all over his head he alleges are the result of radiation.

      All the best with your campaign. Its disgusting how our vets are treated.

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  5. Klik Bate

     /  20th June 2016

    “Do you want sex in Bali?”

    Sounds to me like this bloke needs to take a ‘concrete pill’ – and HTFU 😎

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11659143

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    • pickled possum

       /  20th June 2016

      Well KB that will sort out them out at Auckland Uni … or not. What a DH that lecturer is, making this all public when the two of them are clearly over the age of consent … was he scared she may take ‘matters’ into her own ‘hands’.
      Now this female student may never become a physics major, oh please save us from ones that do not know how to say No Thanks! Not This Week or Any Other Week! Amen.

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      • Gezza

         /  20th June 2016

        Would you have the same view if it had been a male student propositioning a married female lecturer, Possum?

        I do consider the suspension is probably over the top & a reprimand should’ve sufficed. The proposition placed the lecturer in an embarrassing & potentially difficult situation though. And probably his wife as well. The student’s a bit of a boob head making the request in writing.

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        • pickled possum

           /  20th June 2016

          Yea well Geza it wasn’t a male student or a female lecturer was it, but I would say the same thing if it was. And I do agree that it wasn’t real smart putting it in an email as that had the potential to come back and bite her on the arse.

          As for the lecturer being placed in a embarrassing and potentially difficult situation … this would only have happened if and when the lecturer made it public … oh, like he did and it did.
          Her email read like an almost business agreement and she also said “but I’ll be fine if it’s just my overactive imagination too, distracting me pleasurably from math, so please continue relaxed and happy!” Should have been End Of.
          Just giving my opinion here Geza 😉

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          • pickled possum

             /  20th June 2016

            oh forgot this bit also … I am suspicious of the lecturers motives, but that is mainly a woman thing I think …
            “She told her lecturer that if her attention was unwanted he should ignore her message. “No need to compute a rejection letter!”
            she forgot to also say “or make us both famous.”

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            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              Kia ora Possum. I know you’re just giving your opinion e hoa, I always respect them: they’re always pono (honest, sincere).

              My impression on reading the article is that the student made it public by going to the Herald on Sunday. And in naming her course as physics she has possibly identified the lecturer, whilst not actually identifying herself.

              If you cannot see how what she did doesn’t place the lecturer in a potentially difficult and embarrassing situation in future then it’s probably not worth explaining the several ways it would be. But let’s try one—what if she now failed any papers?

            • pickled possum

               /  20th June 2016

              “If you cannot see how what she did doesn’t place the lecturer in a potentially difficult and embarrassing situation in future then it’s probably not worth explaining the several ways it would be.”

              Jez Geza the long and winding road is not my usual forte but today I do have alot of mahi to do and catching up with YnZ and answering ??? was not intended to one of them … type and run is how I like it 😉 but because it is you who asks this ‘what if’
              I will bow to your ‘what if’ scenario and of course you will have thought this through carefully 😉 but I will always come back to why did they, her or him have to make this a mini movie, played out by all the experts on social media and blogs? why why why did I even have a say??? When will I ever learn, (good song there) I will carefully consider your last question with all due care …..

              yep thought about it and now have this to say this … if she failed now was it because of this failed liaison? or is she being penalised for asking for sex or …..
              if she failed and they had had sex would she think hmmm “was I not good enough at the exam or was I not good enough at the sex? How can I make him pay” and if he was useless at the sex … “How can I make him pay?” Men often think woman are always thinking How can I make Him pay? Woman just wanna have fun, with men it seems.
              or because he didn’t want to have sex with her and she failed would she be able to imply something bigger happening here?
              or if she failed was it because the wife found out
              or maybe the husband may have told the wife about the little or big indiscretion in that was suggested for Bali
              or could the lecturer not afford the trip to Bali and because the student could, would the lecturer be green with envy and penalised the student for her supposed wealth and failed her because of this.

              As you can see I am now heavily invested in this unknown to me couple and all my mahi has gone by the sea side or is that wayside to answer your ‘what if’ questions, that I see are so important to you.

              Of course this scenario or two or three are all fraught with ‘what if’ but Geza my dear friend it all comes back to IMHO
              why did the Lecturer report this 30yo student and tell tales about how she offered him a liaison in Bali with romantic nights and days of swapping body fluids with one another,
              Why would he do that? that really is MY question of this comic interlude, to save the embarrassment that has now been visited on his wife who for all we know is right into being the “open experimental type” or maybe the lecturer has been know to do something similar and wanted to show the wife how he can say NO very publicly.

              And now I think I will end there before I myself and me get so tongue tied I will not be able to speak for the last remaining years of my life.
              And before any one gives me gramma or spelling lessons, know this I don’t care how you are supposed to write it in the english world I am who I am and darn proud of not never ever asking any lecturer for nights of sex in Bali.
              I remain lecture sex free to this day. 🙂

              ma te wa e hoa

            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              All of which, the answer to, my dear Possum, is, you should ask him why he did it, and then carefully consider what he has to say. Anything we suggest is just speculation.

              (Spelling and punctuation are part of a separate conversation that has been going on between about three of us recently.)

              Ka kite ano.

            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              Just to clarify, I mean you should ask him why he reported it. For all we know he is required to under their Code of Conduct. This student was exceptionally silly.

              Personally after reading the article several times I think the student took the matter to the SH.

              Ma te wa.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  20th June 2016

              Gezza-the fact that she has been suspended for that time will make sure that she can’t accuse the lecturer of anything like that. It’s going to be an expensive proposition for her-she’ll have to repeat the year. Not to mention the fact that as all the lecturers will know who she is, and stay well away from her.

              It does seem that some people take it less seriously when a man is being harassed in this way.

              He was wise to take it to the university authorities, and she is a fool to have made her unwelcome propositions on email.

            • Gezza

               /  20th June 2016

              More has come out about this student. She’s a serial offender. See below.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  20th June 2016

            PP has no idea of how universities work, I think.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  20th June 2016

      We were listening to the tranny last night and they were discussing this on Talkback.

      Wayne reckoned he’d be in like Flynn – providing she wasn’t a total lardo 😛 😛 😛

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      • Blazer

         /  20th June 2016

        I’m surprised Iceberg is not jumping…all over you…Nelly!

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  20th June 2016

          We all know how perceptive & sensitive ‘Wayne’ is and what the intellectual level of talkback radio is. Maybe he would cheat on you without a second thought, most men don’t cheat on their wives, and to assume that they would simply because a woman wasn’t fat is bizarre. What an insult to that lecturer and to men in general, and to women as well. Lardo is a dreadful thing to call anyone. You do seem to have an odd idea of how relationships work. Would you assume that a woman being propositioned by a man would automatically have sex with him ? Or that a woman being asked to have a threesome with the man and her husband would be glad to do so ?

          This case is as much sexual harassment as if it was a man making these unwanted suggestions to a married woman. The suspension is totally justified. Asking someone to take part in group sex is totally unacceptable, and to keep on asking them for sex is nothing but harassment. Let’s hope that the message goes through that harassing anyone will not be tolerated. It must have horrible for the lecturer. Anyone who’s been to university, which Wayne obviously hasn’t (except possibly as a cleaner or something like that) will know that there have always been female students making it obvious to male lecturers that they would be available- ‘An A for a lay.’ was the genteel phrase, and probably still is.

          The student is lucky that she hasn’t been chucked out for good. She deserves to be.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    I took my granddaughter into wgtn and she said who are all these people sitting with signs (homeless for the thick) AS a old fart,beggars seemed to appear after pony tail boy a sexist money dealer with a grin and a playboy for a son turned up to reign over us. I can say i have never seen the number of homeless since John Key was elected….. PROVE ME WRONG key DRONES (wait for the abuse)

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    • Iceberg

       /  20th June 2016

      LOOK AT ME! I’m an abusive old fool with an internet connection.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  20th June 2016

      ‘Wait for the abuse.’ I fear that we won’t have to wait too long before your usual abuse begins. Lurch. And as we know that it’s coming, there’s no need to give this forward notice.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    Wow key wants the chinese to TAKE NEW ZEALAND OVER, STAMP ON SHIT LIKE JOHN KEY taking NZ over NATIONAL HAS SOLD NEW ZEALAND TO CHINA ARSHOLE ,

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    • Gezza

       /  20th June 2016

      (I’m giving you upticks for panache, not necessarily content, lurch.)

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    Im going off to watch you tube keep it going dont give a fuck,enjoy

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    Mr P George runs a Better blog than whaleoil as i understand it

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    Damn that was like a good run with my dogs (ALL 3)
    ps PG please dont ban me free speech is a joy if it upsets the commitee

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  11. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016
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  12. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    GEZZA sorry for letting you down i failed again, i get upset at people who have never done the hard yards and I DONT MEAN STUDENT LOANS

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    • Gezza

       /  20th June 2016

      Boy, have I ever done the hard yards bro. You don’t know the half of it.

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  13. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    Sorry Kitty my era feeling old enjoy

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    KITTY when you need someone to save your life DONT ask how bright they are BUT ask if they drive a fast car to escape………….
    https://youtu.be/Y20CLumT2S watch KITTY

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  15. Blazer

     /  20th June 2016

    lurch go and watch non p.c humour…

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  16. Blazer

     /  20th June 2016

    no racism here bro…

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  17. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    https://youtu.be/vxUMJ3Wy53M monday night musisc

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  18. Blazer

     /  20th June 2016

    business as usual…

    Older Entries
    Mission Creep

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    • Blazer

       /  20th June 2016

      another fuck up Key says NZ troops ..are staying on to keep faith with his masters.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  20th June 2016

        What the living god has fucked up?????? WTF

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      • Gezza

         /  20th June 2016

        Mission in Iraq extended until November 2018. Funny how Stuff & Herald haven’t given that any prominence. Also he’s quoted as saying while he was “extremely reluctant” for troops to go outside the wire, if there was another deployment after 2018, he didn’t rule it out.

        Peters says the Prime Minister has “hoodwinked” the public. “It was never going to be a tour of duty for just two years – that was totally unrealistic given the circumstances of the war,” he said. Labour & Greens saying much the same.

        Key has hoodwinked the public on this, ever since the first deployment, where he carefully gave everyone the impression that a mission for 2 years was all that was planned.

        He hasn’t even scored us 10 F-16s at bargain basement prices for being a lap dog.

        This is a really bad move. I wonder why he’s sucking up so hard & got us further into this shit of a mess that the US created and that we should be having nothing to do with.

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  19. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016


    SORRY IM A YOU TUBE SLUT

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  20. lurcher1948

     /  20th June 2016

    sorry a line in a post fired me up Mr PG sorry, words hurt but they are nothing but words

    Reply
    • Gezza

       /  20th June 2016

      Lurch mate you’re all over the place. Something’s not right.

      Reply
  21. Gezza

     /  20th June 2016

    More has come out about this student. She didn’t just do this on one occasion to one lecturer. She propositioned two of them, and after being told not to have any further contact with those staff members, she continued to send inappropriate and abusive emails to university staff.

    Student at the centre of sexual harassment claims propositioned more than one staff member
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11659925

    Sounds like a head case to me. Needing professional help.

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    • Nelly Smickers

       /  20th June 2016

      Yep, Wayne said he read that at work this arvo as well.

      He reckons she’s a raving bloody Nympho!!

      Reply

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