Presidential contests and conspiracies

Truth doesn’t seem to be particularly important in US politics – to politicians or to voters.

Conspiracy theories are popular, especially to Donald Trump and Republican supporters.

Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind Poll Finds Trump Supporters More Conspiracy-Minded Than Other Republicans

Conspiracy theories are alive and well among supporters of the 2016 Republican candidates for President, but Trump supporters are more likely than Kasich or Cruz voters to endorse them. Trump supporters are more likely than those of the other Republicans to believe in birther theories about President Obama, think that Hillary Clinton knew about the Benghazi attacks before they happened, and to think that global warming is a myth.

The most popular was the belief that Democratic Presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton knew about the Benghazi attacks before they took place, with 23 percent of Americans saying that it was “definitely true,” – including 10 percent of registered Democrats.

The least popular theory dealt with whether there was a link between childhood vaccines and autism, something only 7 percent of Americans said was “definitely true.”

“Conspiracy theories appeal to voters across the spectrum,” said Dan Cassino, a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson and an analyst for the poll. “The data shows that lots of people on both sides of the aisle are willing to believe a theory when it claims someone they dislike was up to something nefarious.”

The conspiracy theories checked in the survey:

  • President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened
    Definitely true 15%, Possibly true 31%
  • President Obama is hiding important information about his background and early life
    Definitely true 17%, Possibly true 29%
  • It has been proven that childhood vaccines cause autism
    Definitely true 7%, Possibly true 36%
  • The 2012 shootings at Sandy Hook elementary were faked, in order to increase support for gun control
    Definitely true 8%, Possibly true 14%
  • Global warming is a myth concocted by scientists
    Definitely true 18%, Possibly true 23%
  • As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton knew the US Embassy in Benghazi was going to be attacked and did nothing to protect it
    Definitely true 23%, Possibly true 37%

 

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Source – https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/28/for-hillary-clinton-the-benghazi-damage-has-been-done/

Ironically those who ‘believe’ President Obama is hiding information about his past have been called ‘Truthers’.

Truth and politics are often tenuous partners.

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  1. Missy

     /  29th June 2016

    I don’t know much about the Benghazi thing, but the only way anyone will find out if Clinton knew about it (unless it is on those emails on her ‘personal secure server’) is when any related intelligence documents are declassified (in about 25-30 years) and indication of who read them. If there are no documents, there is no way she could have known, if there are documents then it is likely she knew – simple.

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    • Benghazi appears to have been payback for an arms deal with Libyan rebels that went bad. The US administration attempted to cover this up by saying it was a response to the “Innocence of Muslims” video.

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      • Gezza

         /  29th June 2016

        The guts of what was shown on Al Jazeera was that Bhenghazi had been warned an attack was likely and made repeated requests for extra security which were ignored. Not clear how far up the chain the requests went.

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  2. Corky

     /  29th June 2016

    1- It has been proven that childhood vaccines cause autism. Not quite, but findings have been ignored by way of bad science.

    2- Global warming is a myth concocted by scientists. Man-made global warming is a myth perpetrated by scientists jumping on the band wagon of bad science and being blind to any contrary findings. A bit like the worthless PSA prostate test for men. Even though the creator of said test has stated its worthless for that use, medical authorities refuse to listen and still promote PSA screening.

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    • Gezza

       /  29th June 2016

      I wish I could just have the PSA test Corky.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  29th June 2016

        Close your eyes and think of England.

        Better a few minutes of unpleasantness than death from cancer. EVERYONE heartily dislikes mammograms, but better those than death from breast cancer that wasn’t discovered in time.

        Global warming can be proved-it either is warmer or it isn’t-but as this has happened before, I believe, as have little ice ages, the cause can’t be proved, I think. Animals have burped and farted since there were animals to burp and fart, so if that’s a contributory factor we should all be living in a tropical climate.

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        • Gezza

           /  29th June 2016

          My doctor’s female. Now I understand how mums must’ve felt when most doctors were male when I was younger.

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          • Gezza

             /  29th June 2016

            The tick’s for the top bit. Where you subsequently wandered off to intrigues me though Kitty. 😉

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            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Oh (embarrassment). Just re-read Corky. Ignore last.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  29th June 2016

              Just tell yourself that it’s nothing that the doctor hasn’t seen or done before 🙂 Mammograms are AWFUL, but I’d rather have that than the alternative. Colonoscopys are beyond awful, but the same applies.

              It would be SO nice if we could edit 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              It would be so nice if I read the posts, and then scrolled all the way down, before just burping sometimes. 😳 I tend to hone in on particular people. Must improve.

            • Nelly Smickers

               /  29th June 2016

              Wayne went for a Colonoscopy a couple of months back. My mum rang to see if they found his head XD

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Did they?

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

            • Corky

               /  29th June 2016

              Wayno has trouble getting his head around issues.

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Looks like he’s spotted the problem.

            • Corky

               /  29th June 2016

              Polyps?

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              PS: Nelly, I love Wayne like a brother … just estranged. 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Polyps?
              Not sure if Nelly calls them that.

      • Corky

         /  29th June 2016

        Yes, me too. In fact that’s what I thought I was having the first time until the doctor started putting on latex gloves and telling me what follows may be uncomfortable. I thought I was having a blood test (PSA). I didn’t know PSA had a wicked sibling.

        I think Kitty is unpatriotic. We should close our eyes and think of a beautiful immigrant free Aotearoa.

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        • Gezza

           /  29th June 2016

          Can’t do a half-tick, that’s for the top bit. We do need immigrants Corky. Just not too many and carefully vetted.

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          • Corky

             /  29th June 2016

            LoL..

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  29th June 2016

              It’s a saying- a fake quote. It’s one of those that has been attributed-in its longer form/s-to various people, none of whom is remotely likely to have said it.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  29th June 2016

    The survey was definitely designed by a Democrat. It contains a question doubting on the truthfulness of Clinton but not one doubting on the truthfulness of Trump. Hence the political slant of the result which was engineered into the questions.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  29th June 2016

      If vaccines cause autism, why aren’t we all autistic ?

      I wonder-seriously-what the autism rate is in countries where they don’t have vaccines.

      Give yourself an uptick from me, I can only do one.

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      • Corky

         /  29th June 2016

        How many girls do you know who are autistic?

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      • Zedd

         /  29th June 2016

        @kck

        I think ‘the jury is still out’ on it.. BUT; what about :

        1) fluoride in water,
        2) chemical pesticides & fertilisers drenching the crops,
        3) chemical food preservatives,
        4) plastics (made from Oil) used to store foodstuffs.. leeching chemicals,
        5) growth hormones & antibiotics added to animal feeds.. going into the food chain,
        6) run off from farms & industrial process going into the waterways.. & into our drinking water

        etc. etc. etc. ?

        Go on tell me its all just another ‘Greenies conspiracy theory’ ?!

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        • Gezza

           /  29th June 2016

          Was quite surprised a few years back to discover that paper production causes as much, in fact I think more, damage to the environment than plastic shopping bags.

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          • Gezza

             /  29th June 2016

            * than manufacturing plastic shopping bags…

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          • Zedd

             /  29th June 2016

            @gezza

            Yes I also hear, that paper (made from WOOD-CHIPS) does require HUGE quantities of chemicals, to break down the fibre & bleach it.

            BUT I do also read that paper was once made from HEMP, which apparently does not require a fraction, of this level of chemicals :/

            btw; the main difference between paper & plastic.. one is biodegradable, the other is not. I’ll leave it to you to workout which is which 😀

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th June 2016

              The Chinese have solved that. Some of their plastics are highly bio-degradable. They make synthetic cloths that disintegrate after about two years max and they use them to make bed valances and portable wardrobes that they sell to me.

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Can’t at the moment. Hemp.

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              (Not really)

            • Zedd

               /  29th June 2016

              @AW

              I too hear, that there are biodegradable plastics being produced & even micro-organisms being discovered that ‘eat’ plastics.. BUT in the interim, HUGE piles of inorganic waste are being dumped on the land & in the water.
              I saw a doco. : there are massive ‘islands’ of floating plastic in the oceans, leeching chemicals into the environment & poisoning the sea-life.
              I still hear so-called ‘experts’ denying these issues.. often you find they are being funded by the fossil fuel industry to ‘prove’ the opposite view.

  4. Zedd

     /  29th June 2016

    What about this one: ‘Gravity is a myth… the Earth Sux’ 😀

    btw; I hear Drumpf is pushing ‘Climate change is also a myth’ (whilst he apparently gets support from the fossil fuel industry ?) 😦

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    • Corky

       /  29th June 2016

      Climate change isn’t a myth. Man-made climate change is…..or more correctly, cannot be proven with irrrefutable proof, contrary to what the Gisborne Herald and a beavy of Greennie bunnies say.

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      • Zedd

         /  29th June 2016

        ‘cannot be proven’

        btw: the atmospheric concentration of CO2 has now reportedly past 400ppm.. when I went to school (1970s) I remember being told it was about 300ppm.,, somethings changed (maybe.. humans burning MORE fossil fuels ?)

        I was also taught; CO2 is a ‘Green-house gas’ that keeps the global atmospheric temperature at a stable level.. as long as the amount, remains reasonably stable !

        .. just another ‘Green Scream’ eh what ? :/

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  29th June 2016

          Water vapour concentrations are up to 100 times greater than CO2 so that has a much bigger stabilizing impact.

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          • Gezza

             /  29th June 2016

            Doesn’t it also have a warming effect?

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th June 2016

              The greenhouse stabilizing impact is a warming effect. Otherwise the earth would be well frozen at -18 deg C.

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              Sorry, I mean, I know that. But doesn’t more heat = more water vapour = more heat trapped = more water vapour = more and / or bigger storms?
              I think there’s no doubt the climate’s changing and I’m leaning towards the official position that we’re accelerating it. But I’m not convinced it’s not also natural cycle.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  29th June 2016

              There are a lot of feedbacks and presumably enough are negative (stabilizing) to have maintained the planet’s climate reasonably stable for a long time – oscillating as it does between the ice age state and the warm state. Water vapour creates clouds which reflect radiation and so become a negative feedback. You can see this happen every day in the marine tropics where the day starts clear and hot but evaporation from the sea creates clouds which moderate the incoming heat.

            • Gezza

               /  29th June 2016

              They moderate the UV but I’m not so sure about the IR?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th June 2016

              Correct, but that takes effect at night when cooling reduces the cloud cover.

            • Gezza

               /  30th June 2016

              The water vapour’s still there. The cloud cover largely only moderates through reflecting light back up doesn’t it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th June 2016

              No to both. First, the water vapour gets moved around by convection currents as well as reduced by condensation into rain and dew. Second, cloud traps heat downward as you always notice that cloudy winter nights are warmer than clear (frosty) ones.

            • Gezza

               /  30th June 2016

              Bugger.

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