Real guns good, toy guns bad

Only in the USA – at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, Ohio it will be legal to openly carry real firearms, but toy guns won’t be allowed.

Wall Street Journal:

Ahead of GOP Convention, Cleveland Officials Affirm Protesters May Carry Guns

But water guns, toy guns, knives, aerosol cans, rope, tennis balls are barred

Cleveland officials said Wednesday that they will uphold the right of protesters at the Republican National Convention to carry firearms even as they expressed opposition to the state’s open carry laws.

Speaking to reporters in advance of the Republican National Convention next week, both Cleveland Mayor Frank G. Jackson and police Chief Calvin Williams said they were bound by the state’s laws allowing people to carry guns even if they disagreed with them.

“Our intent is to follow the law. And if the law says you can have open carry, that’s what it says. Whether I agree with it or not is another issue,” said Mayor Jackson in a press conference.

That was a sentiment also echoed by the city’s police chief. Asked if he would prefer that people be prevented from carrying weapons at the Republican National convention, Chief Williams said, “Of course.”

“It’s the law in this state. As police chief, I’m bound to uphold the law in this state,” he added.

The group Oath Keepers said this week that they would appear at the RNC armed, while the chairman of the New Black Panther Party also said that his group may carry weapons at an event designed to protest police brutality in advance of the RNC. Event organizers of the police brutality event later said that no armed demonstrators were expected.

Just to make sure that nothing bad happens:

Cleveland has banned a wide array of items inside a broad zone in downtown Cleveland around the convention site, including water guns, toy guns, knives, aerosol cans, rope, tennis balls and others.

But because of Ohio’s open carry laws, protesters who legally own a firearm will be allowed to carry it near the convention center.

This doesn’t make sense.

I’m sure carrying ropes, tennis balls and water guns is not illegal generally under Ohio laws.

The right to carry them probably isn’t enshrined in law though.

However it seems very odd that safe things can be banned and firearms can’t.

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15 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  14th July 2016

    This story wasn’t a left-over April Fool, was it ? That would be the only way that it would make sense.

    If it came to being shot by a real gun or a water pistol, I know which I’d choose. But bullet or tennis ball ? Er, um, let me see…which would do most damage ? Don’t tell me, let me work it out for myself….

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th July 2016

      Aerosols can be exploded, of course, but they’d injure the person doing it.

      How about plastic cutlery ?

      I learned yesterday how to make a weapon from a plastic teaspoon (or any piece of plastic cutlery) . Snap it off, make a little nick on each side, stick it in, break it off and leave the evidence inside. ( I do know a variety of people, no prizes for guessing where the person who told me learned it) The plastic cutlery on planes is completely false security, something that I suspected some time ago. Try stabbing someone with a dinner or bread and butter knife. I once trod on a piece of plastic on the local walkway and it cut me as badly as glass would have,

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  14th July 2016

        Jeez Kitty! Really??!

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  14th July 2016

          Yes to both. I was wearing sandals, but was still cut badly enough to leave a trail of blood that stayed there for ages, especially on the tree trunk where I propped my foot to pull the piece of plastic-I couldn’t believe that it was just that-out. It must have looked like a set from a murder film. So I can well believe what damage could be done by one prisoner to another with plastic cutlery.

          This man was (I’m sure) not into that sort of thing himself. I hope. He’s a respectable citizen now We have become acquainted because we often use the same bus. He has a horse who became drunk and incapable on windfall apples, and as they didn’t know what was wrong, they called the vet in a great panic-he came and laughed his head off. He, of course, knew at once what had happened & why the horse was falling over and having such trouble getting up again. No, the horse wasn’t singing ‘Wide-eyed and legless. HIC ! I’ve gone and done it again.’

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  14th July 2016

            I really do believe that an ordinary dinner knife would be far less dangerous than a sharp, pointed piece of plastic in the hands of someone who knew what they were doing. You should have seen how much I bled that day-it was frightening. We thought that it must be a piece of glass. I hate to think what anyone coming along the path after me must have thought had happened 😀

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  14th July 2016


            I was really wondering what would lead you to discuss alternative uses for plastic cutlery. 😀
            There are plenty of household items that can be used to do a lot worse damage than a firearm. Take the humble ‘cool pack’ in your first aid kit for example………

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th July 2016

              HOW ???

              I think that we were originally talking about a book of weapons that he had taken out of the library 🙂 It does seem an odd thing to talk about, I must say. now that I come to think about it.

              The piece of plastic that cut me was sharp enough to make my sandal awash with blood and leave an obvious trail. It must have looked as if someone had been really badly injured.

              I decided to experiment to see if it was possible to cut someone with a dinner knife, so tried it on myself, and the result was what I thought it would be-all that happened was that I sawed away for ages and achieved nothing more than a mark that soon disappeared !

              Has nobody in airline security worked all this out ?

  2. Brown

     /  14th July 2016

    The reality is that you won’t get shot at all so some kid being stupid with something harmless is more dangerous than a gun owner carrying a gun. The odds of hurt from any of the causes are so small I think the whole ban is stupid but that’s just me living dangerously. I’d rather be in Cleveland among guns than a gun free gay nightclub.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  14th July 2016

      I’d prefer not to be in either of those places Brown, but each to their own I guess 😉

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  14th July 2016

      Ditto; chacun a son gout as on dit in France.

      I’d prefer to be in the nightclub if I had to be in one or other, I must say. The thought of being surrounded by trigger-happy, armed rednecks is not very appealing.

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  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  14th July 2016

    Given the number of shootings in the US, Brown, your confidence may be misplaced, I fear.

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  4. David

     /  14th July 2016

    Kinder Eggs are banded in the US, because they are a ‘chocking hazard’.

    Any wonder the NRA protect their rights so strongly.

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    • Gezza

       /  14th July 2016

      How can something be a hazard to chocks? o_O

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      • Gezza

         /  14th July 2016

        And why would anyone be required to put bands on Kinder Eggs? Are they coloured? How many bands are needed? What would the point be – unless maybe they were to identify the kind of toy inside, maybe?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th July 2016

          Perhaps they mean that they are no good as chocks because they can’t stop the wheels moving. But putting a band on them wouldn’t make them any better :-/

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