“She plagiarized a statement about hard work”

The biggest thing to come out of the Republican convention today was Melania Trump’s speech – especially the parts that were Michelle Obama’s speech repeated.

She plagiarized a statement about hard work. Seriously. You can’t write this stuff.

CNN: Melania Trump’s speech plagiarizes parts of Michelle Obama’s
(a video comparison of the speeches via the link)

At least one passage in Melania Trump’s speech Monday night at the Republican National Convention plagiarized Michelle Obama’s speech to the Democratic National Convention in 2008.

Side-by-side comparisons of the transcripts show the text in Trump’s address following, nearly to the word, the first lady’s own from the first night of the Democratic convention in Denver nearly eight years ago.

Fact checking the speeches

The controversy quickly overshadowed the speech, which was to have been her introduction to voters.

First noticed by @JarrettHill

TrumpvObamaSpeeches

Doesn’t look very flash for Ms Trump, nor for Mr Trump, and it has taken over most of the media coverage.

It’s truly fitting that 8 years of mockery of Obama’s teleprompter speeches should end in an Obama speech plagiarized at the GOP convention.

CNN:

The Trump campaign released a statement on the speech after the similarities were uncovered, but the statement did not mention the plagiarism charge.

“In writing her beautiful speech, Melania’s team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking. Melania’s immigrant experience and love for America shone through in her speech, which made it such a success,” according to Jason Miller, the senior communications adviser.

Earlier in the day, Melania Trump told NBC’s Matt Lauer: “I read once over it, that’s all, because I wrote it … with (as) little help as possible.”

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  1. So, we are not allowed to share other people’s standards and visions lest we be accused of wait for it,… plagiarism!! What happens if two people, or more have the same view of the same situation? Do they have to remain silent? Get a life, its a beat up – as it would be if their roles were reversed.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th July 2016

      Too right. She’s a hard road writing the perfect speech without borrowing a few good lines from someone else boy.

      Get a life
      I like that bit of your comment especially, Bj.
      Do you mind if I borrow & use that one myself in appropriate situations in the future?

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  19th July 2016

        Hey Geezz – where did you steal that line about “she’s a hard road…. blah blah blah” ??

        Could have *sworn* I read something similar here this morning 😎

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        • Gezza

           /  19th July 2016

          Nah … I nicked it off some grizzled old Suthin Man codger who liked Speights, Nellers. Good to see ya back (and ya front)!

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          • Nelly Smickers

             /  19th July 2016

            Yep…just heading in to the ‘office’…….11 – 6 shift for the next 4 nights o_O

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            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              He’s a lucky man, Nellers. He knows it. ❤
              Hope he makes ya breakfast!

    • Sure there’s very little that is totally originally, but I learnt in Primary School that if you want to use someone else’s work you at least have to make it look like it’s in your own words.

      And if you quote someone you attribute the quote to the source.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th July 2016

        Agreed. It would’ve gone done a heck of a lot better if she’d just said, before she started into the relevant bits:

        “if I could just, for the moment, borrow the words of Michelle Obama, who’s been like a sister to me, …… “

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  19th July 2016

          No, it wouldn’t, not for something that long. One sentence maybe…but what is more or less a whole speech can’t be borrowed. I don’t think that I’d like Michelle Obama if I met her, she seems such an attention seeker, but I wouldn’t blame her at all for being annoyed-even if she didn’t write the speech herself.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th July 2016

        It’s easy enough.

        I’ll use your words, Pete, because they’re there ….

        ‘There’s not much that is wholly original, but I was taught in Primary School that if one wants to make use of someone else’s work, one should at least make it appear to be in one’s own words.

        And if one quotes someone’s words, one acknowleges this by saying what the source is.’

        There, I’ve said the same thing but not plagiarised Pete’s writing.

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        • Gezza

           /  19th July 2016

          You’ve still ripped off his ideas I reckon. PG I know a good lawyer if you want to go down that track.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  19th July 2016

            Ah, but I didn’t use his exact words and the same ideas about such things appear frquently. I just wanted to show how easy it is, it was only an exercise 🙂 Nobody could call it plagiarism. Vote For Me/My Husband/My Wife speeches tend to be much of a muchness, but using the exact words is a bit TOO much.

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            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              Not too many speeches by politicians start with the words: “the French love the coq”, Kitty

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th July 2016

              That wasn’t a speech as such, it was a remark. If he’d stood up in Parliament or at a convention and said it, it would have been a speech. I have never heard him say it as part of a speech, and I’ve heard a few of his speeches now !

              People might listen more if political speeches began with something like that 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              😀 😀

            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              People might listen more if political speeches began with something like that

              Just a thought, Kitters. Why don’t you dash him off a speech starting with *something like that*, & see if he’ll use it? o_O

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th July 2016

      This is more than that, it’s word for word in most of it. It would be fair enough to spout the same sentiments, smug & self-congratulatory as they sound,but not to use the exact same wording and sentences. What a stupid thing to do.Did they think that nobody would notice ?

      It is plagiarism when someone uses someone else’s exact words. Look it up in the dictionary. It has nothing to do with sharing standards and visions.

      Michelle Obama didn’t show the Queen much of the respect towards others that she boasts of when she went to see her wearing very high heels which made her tower over the Queen. She can’t do anything about her height, but to add so much to it is a cheap trick. I have seen quite a few photos where she is on extremely high heels and has her hair in a (most unflattering) beehive, grinning at the camera while the other people, who are dwarfed by her are smiling in a rather strained way.

      I bet that you’d mind if someone used your exact words and passed them as their own work. I would-most people would. It’s theft.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th July 2016

        Kitty are you not very tall?

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        • Gezza

           /  19th July 2016

          Think I’ll wait & see if Hillary borrows some of Melania’s speech, where she talks about how she feels about her husband, before rushing to judgement. 😎

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          • Gezza

             /  19th July 2016

            (It’ll also be interesting to see if Bill can pull of wearing an outfit like Mealania’s @ the Dems’ Convention.)

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            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              [* of = off
              * Mealania – Melania]

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th July 2016

              Well, Mick Jagger did.

            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              There doesn’t seem to be an emoticon for pissing myself … 😀

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  19th July 2016

        She’s not passing it off as her own work, she is passing it off as her speech writers’ work. She is passing it off as expressing her own sentiments and presumably it does.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  19th July 2016

          I’m 5′ 7″. Not exceptionally tall-I’d love to be taller-but not, thank goodness, short.

          We know that speech writers exist, but the idea that it’s the person’s own words is a polite fiction, I think. And the plagiarism is just as bad whether it’s one person or another. I’d be furious if I had been made to look a fool in this way, I must say !

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          • Gezza

             /  19th July 2016

            I expect The Donald’s called the speechwriter to his office already and announced” You’re fired”, Kitty.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  19th July 2016

              No, you’re wrong there, I think :-/.

              It’s his gun he’ll have said that to ! 😀 😀 😀

              (laughs at our collective wit)

          • Nelly Smickers

             /  20th July 2016

            Wayne said this morning, “If that Kitty’s *anywhere near* 5′ 7, he’s the son of a Siberian sea sucking Sunfish” !! XD XD

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  19th July 2016

    As I’ve said, I think all this does is give the Clintonite media something to fixate on. They were going to find some attack angle anyway. The public won’t care at all and will focus on the sentiment, not the expression.

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    • Gezza

       /  19th July 2016

      Despite my jests, it was very, very stupid thing to do. I can see on Al Jazeera news & no doubt it’s on other channels as well that now all the focus has gone on this piece of blatant plagiarism instead of Trump & the Convention itself.

      The AJ commentator made the point that, now that Trump is bringing his family into the limelight as a means of gaining support, they are going to be exposed to the risk of being made to look bad or stupid.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  19th July 2016

        His wife will inevitably look and feel stupid. I would imagine that there is an ‘atmosphere’ in the Trump house tonight. And that if it was the speech writer-which it probably was, now I come to think of it-there will be a ‘please explain’ on their desk tomorrow.How funny if it turns out to be the one who wrote it in the first place-so it wouldn’t be plagiarism, but it would be the own goal of the year, decade, century…..

        My Brilliant Career Goes Bung.

        If I was the Trump cat, I’d be spending a few days in the alley behind the building.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  19th July 2016

          This is the sort of mistake which happens when a chain of people is involved and information gets lost in the transmission. I can imagine that she and Trump drafted out a list of points to be made, other people researched ways to express relevant ideas and useful phrases and then she put together her speech using some of them but unaware of the sources of all of them, probably mistaking these for original work by her team. Someone involved was politically naive and didn’t realise the risk and consequences.

          However, I don’t think those consequences are anything but a distraction from real issues, and it is her opponents who are being distracted rather than her target audience.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  19th July 2016

            Nice try, Alan. But the long arm of coincidence would have to be made of verrrrry stretchy rubber for all that to have happened.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th July 2016

              @Kitty, why? I can’t see anything unlikely in it at all. I’m pretty sure all of those steps would have happened.

          • It’s a fundamental mistake that was bound to get picked up by media no matter who did it. Plagiarising Michelle Obama is either very sloppy and unfortunate or a deliberate attempt to attract adverse publicity to pick up anti-media voters.

            The problem for the Trumps is not their faithful followers who won’t care, it’s the big chunk of votes in the middle that aren’t yet convinced. If they keep making mistakes it’s going to be difficult for them to appeal where it matters the most.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th July 2016

              Hasn’t happened yet. If Trump’s “mistakes” mattered he wouldn’t be nearly tied with Clinton and gaining rather than losing. If you read the Lefty media it is entirely incomprehensible.

              The problem for his opponents is precisely that they don’t know which mistakes matter and which don’t.

        • Blazer

           /  19th July 2016

          The average voter would love to have a dumb blond wife like Melania,herein lies latent appeal..and ..votes.

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          • Nelly Smickers

             /  19th July 2016

            Gosh Blaze…first you call Wayne a ‘hairy arse schoolboy’, now you accuse him of being.. ‘average’

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  20th July 2016

        Au contraire G you are 100% wrong here. This was a very, very smart call by The Donald and his campaign team. They are just toying with the media now and the crooked one can’t get a look in. Any publicity is good publicity. As a marketing man Trump understands this and he is milking it.

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        • Gezza

           /  20th July 2016

          Yep, you’re right & I was wrong, c. I’m watching Al Jazeera right now (some GOP luminary giving a speech saying why The Donald is the New Messiah [paraphrasing here]). Yesterday’s hullabaloo about Mel’s speech ‘blooper’ is a thing of the past already, & even I’m just remembering her back bumper more than her words.

          Reckon it’s full steam ahead for the Trumpsta. Zipping back down to the TAB.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  20th July 2016

            “The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.”

            “good publicity is preferable to bad, but from a bottom-line perspective, bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity at all. Controversy, in short, sells.”

            ― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal

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    • duperez

       /  19th July 2016

      I just saw the women on TV, Obama first, making bits of their respective speeches. If Mrs Trump wanted a target to give “the Clintonite media something to fixate on” she came up with a pearler.
      Her speech writer did a great job of passing off Mrs Trump as having exactly the same sentiments as Mrs Obama and as expressing them in exactly the same words.

      Funny how all that money couldn’t buy a writer with more imagination and originality. I could write and offer my services (for the right money) I suppose. I don’t think there are any impediments to my being allowed into the country by Mr Trump.

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  3. Blazer

     /  19th July 2016

    plagiarism is all in a days work in the real world where winning is everything….merely taking the credit for someone elses ideas or work.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  19th July 2016

      That’s missing the point. A plagiarist is a fool to do it with something well known-as Colleen McCullough did when she plagiarised not only the plot but whole sections of LM Montgomery’s The Blue Castle. The idea is that one does it with something unlikely to be discovered and exposed.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th July 2016

        What happened to the fair Colleen?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  19th July 2016

          She was publicly ridiculed-and rightly so. I can’t remember if legal action was taken. She must have thought that nobody else would have read TBC. Her feeble explanation that it was unconscious was also ridiculed. Nobody unconsciously writes that much of someone else’s book. If they knew it well enough to reproduce it, it’s impossible to believe that they didn’t remember where it came from !

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  4. Pete Kane

     /  19th July 2016

    Earlier in the day, Melania Trump told NBC’s Matt Lauer: “I read once over it, that’s all, because I wrote it … with (as) little help as possible.”

    The above is her problem, even if something nefarious turns out to have occurred.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  19th July 2016

      See my comment above. That would be my guess of how it happened and how she legitimately saw it.

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      • Gezza

         /  19th July 2016

        She must’ve listened to Michelle’s speech once, and have an unconscious *memory like an elephant*, that’s all I can think of …

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        • I’m tending to think it was probably a deliberate attention seeking stunt.

          It just seems too crazy otherwise.

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          • Gezza

             /  19th July 2016

            Crazy sums up the campaign so far … so you could be right—it’s been a winning formula so far. Risky tho, if you’re right.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  19th July 2016

          How great to have a memory that allows one to remember something word for word, even after EIGHT YEARS-and only hearing it once.

          There are fairies at the bottom of MY garden 🙂

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  19th July 2016

          @Gezza, no, the copy is far too exact for that. I’m sure it would have happened the way I set out. She would never have used it if she realised it came from Michelle. Therefore someone else harvested it and fed it to her without attribution – somewhere along the chain the source got lost.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  19th July 2016

            But she claims to have written it herself with as little help as possible.

            Both of these claims can’t be right-they just can’t !

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th July 2016

              Yes they can if she devised the points to be made and put together the final draft using some additional ideas and phrases from those submitted by her team. As I said.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  19th July 2016

            The typical way this happens is that the author expected to give the context of the material verbally during a personal meeting but for some reason the meeting doesn’t happen, or the verbal context got omitted when it went further up the chain.

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          • And why the heck would someone along the chain think it a good idea to copy Michelle Obama? Even if it was re-phrased the similarity would have been picked up on. Seems like a very strange approach to constructing the biggest speech of the opening day of the convention – mimicking one of the most prominent Democrats.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  19th July 2016

              I should think the original harvester intended to submit it as a suggestion and example of the sentiments to be expressed in different words but somewhere up the chain that got lost and it got adopted in form rather than merely concept. That seems by far the most likely and plausible explanation to me. Otherwise you have to assume deliberate plagiarism of your opponent guaranteed to be discovered and provoke a political reaction. Other than malevolence or unbelievable incompetence that is inexplicable.

            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              @ Al, bingo Al – that sounds quite plausible to me.

            • duperez

               /  19th July 2016

              Taking everything the wise contributors on here have said it’s surprising no-one has drawn a conclusion by using the old Kiwi expression.

              How come something so important to the campaign in the sense that small bullshit things are the things that matter to many, could be so amateurish and cocked up? (Well in my eyes.)

              These people are going to run America. These people are going to run the free world. These people are seeking to prove to their voters that they have the capability to not just do that, but do it well.

              Kiwi expression? The one about a piss-up in a brewery.

            • Gezza

               /  19th July 2016

              @duperez
              Got it in one there, I reckon, duperez ! ⭐
              Mind you, same thing can be said about their current administration.

          • Gezza

             /  19th July 2016

            @ Al *word or words * means, ironical statement. Can’t you read Nellyspeak?

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  5. Pete Kane

     /  19th July 2016

    This first section covers it well.
    http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

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  6. Pete Kane

     /  20th July 2016

    ‘Manafort has just put a target on his back’
    Donald Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is doubling down on saying Melania Trump’s speech at the RNC wasn’t plagiarized. The Morning Joe panel discusses.
    http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

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  7. Conspiratoor

     /  20th July 2016

    Did she say something. I didn’t notice

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    • Gezza

       /  20th July 2016

      If I don’t say nuttin ’bout Le Tour aujourd’hui, do I still get ze Xmas Card? :/

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  20th July 2016

        Depends what you say and when you say it G. Timing is everything. Gotta go beat the bastards back. Later, c

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  8. Zedd

     /  20th July 2016

    I heard that fool; Smith (on ZB) say its just a common use of words.. no plagarism. Obviously he has not heard the two speeches (side by side) OR he is such a ‘Drumpf-ite’ he refuses to hear anything negative against him ?! :/

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  9. Zedd

     /  20th July 2016

    btw; it sounded more convincing coming from the lovely Michelle O. 🙂

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