Open Forum – Saturday

23 July 2016

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35 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  23rd July 2016

    Tell me again how many Muslims John Key is allowing to flood into New Zealand.A flood consists of one Muslim to me,and that’s one to many..

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd July 2016

      That’s your hard luck. We can’t have your bigotry dictating the government’s policies. One bigot’s too many for me, but there’s nothing that I can do to change this. One isn’t a flood to anyone else, I suspect. Get over it. I suppose that if you went to hospital, you wouldn’t let a Muslim doctor treat you. Meshugenah.

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      • Gezza

         /  23rd July 2016

        Is that the doctor’s name?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  23rd July 2016

        KITTY i hope no raghead decides YOU offends it, being a bigot like me keeps you safe i presume you are straight, do you walk down dark streets without lights and worry about RAPE wait try screeming and there a golden knight to help you YER RIGHT so i dont like future killers SUCK IT UP strange female

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        • Gezza

           /  23rd July 2016

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  23rd July 2016

          Meshugenah is a Yiddish word that describes people like Lurch. Look it up.

          There are many doctors here who were born in other countries. I’d say that if Lurch refused to be treated by one on racial or religious grounds, the hospital would not give him the list of all the doctors there and let him choose one.

          He’s not worth talking to. He froths at the mouth and speaks gibberish. Half the time it’s impossible to work out what he’s actually trying to say, as it makes no sense; C & C employs witch doctors ??? His being a bigot keeps me safe from rape and murder ? So that’s why there are no rapes and murders in NZ; it’s because Lurch is a bigot.

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          • Gezza

             /  23rd July 2016

            If I’ve got it right – is a rough translation in English: batshit-crazy? o_O

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      • lurcher1948

         /  23rd July 2016

        no i wouldnt hell he had bones around its neck, C&C employs witch doctors and ANYONE with a indian doctors certificate kitty are you a doctor?????

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  2. Missy

     /  23rd July 2016

    Good Evening (Morning) All,

    A couple of things from today, but nothing really substantial in terms of anything moving along.

    Conservatives:
    David Cameron followed tradition and did a list of resignation honours – essentially a pile of people getting honours or peerages as payment for their loyalty to Cameron. Interestingly some of the honours on his list have reportedly been blocked by Whitehall for ethical reasons. The list has not been released as yet, so who is on it, what they were in line to get, and the reasons for being blocked are all speculation. This is seen by some as a move by the Cabinet Office, and others in Whitehall to try and reverse the view of the public of cronyism. It is yet another thing that has marred David Cameron’s exit from Downing Street.

    As expected Hollande has indeed demanded that the UK trigger article 50 immediately, Theresa May has said the UK will not rush into it and will only trigger article 50 when the groundwork for Brexit has been completed. Of course this is taking much longer than it should because Cameron refused to let any Government department prepare any plans in the event of a Brexit vote.

    Labour:
    Corbyn is coming under increasing pressure in the media, and from his MPs today.

    First an MP (sorry can’t remember his name at the moment) has tweeted several tweets accusing Jeremy Corbyn of trying to bully him by threatening to call his father to put pressure on him to fall into line. The father of the MP in question was a Sinn Fein councillor, but is unknown to Corbyn, it is believed that Corbyn thought that as the MP’s father was Sinn Fein he would share similar political views and therefore agree to put pressure on the MP. In the end Corbyn did not call the MP’s father, which is apparently just as well, as the MP in question said his father would not be happy about such a thing. Corbyn’s office denies this.

    Second, 45 Female MP’s have written to Corbyn demanding he does more to stop the abuse from his supporters. They have asked him to sign a pledge to stop the rape threats, death threats, and other forms of intimidation they have suffered over the last few weeks. They have also said he has failed in his duty of care by opposing a secret ballot for a board vote, despite the female MP’s pleas after receiving intimidating messages. It seems that Corbyn’s kinder, gentler politics is only for those that agree with him.

    Lastly, Len McClusky (Unite Union) has gone conspiracy theorist by claiming that the threats being received by female MPs are actually from MI5 agents pretending to be Corbyn supporters in order to undermine him.

    And as of about an hour or so ago the news is once again dominated by overseas events with the shooting in Munich.

    Have a good weekend everyone.

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  3. Missy

     /  23rd July 2016

    Reports out of Germany are confused about the shooting there. What seems to be known at the moment is:

    Police are hunting 3 gunmen
    At least 3 are confirmed dead
    Police are reporting a possible second site, however media are saying that there isn’t a second site.
    The gunmen were apparently dressed in black wearing masks
    Public transport has been halted.

    Telegraph and Guardian are running a live feed:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/shots-fired-at-munich-shopping-centre/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/22/munich-shooting-police-evacuate-shopping-centre-live

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  4. Missy

     /  23rd July 2016

    It seems the heat has everyone acting crazy, incidences since last Thursday (Bastille Day)

    1. Bastille Day terror attack
    2. Turkey attempted coup
    3. Riots in London Parks, with the largest being in Hyde Park / Hyde Park Corner on Tuesday night
    4. Attempted abduction outside RAF Base
    5. Gunmen were seen on a hill overlooking an army base in Salisbury last night – armed police responded, no-one has been found, but the base was put in lockdown
    6. Shooting in Munich (ongoing)

    And those are only in UK / Europe, I am sure I have missed some from other parts of the world.

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    • Missy

       /  23rd July 2016

      And reading Pete’s post on the Munich shooting, I realise I missed the attack on the train in Germany as well.

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    • Klik Bate

       /  23rd July 2016

      Yes, you may have missed ‘one or two’ Missy…..

      Just as a matter of interest, there has been something like 3500 people either killed or injured in terrorist attacks by The Religion of Peace during the last 30 days ❗

      REGULAR UPDATES can be found here – along with a host of other relevant information:

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

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    • 1. French intelligence foreknowledge, CCTV footage destruction order.
      2. US implicated by msnbc producer and CIA’s Fethulah Gulen coup rumours, geopolitical power shift favours Russia.

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  5. Gezza

     /  23rd July 2016

    YNZ FORUM VOTERS WOULD ELECT CLINTON PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

    Election details:
    https://yournz.org/2016/07/22/open-forum-friday-88/#comment-119349

    Official Result:
    https://yournz.org/2016/07/22/open-forum-friday-88/#comment-119518
    7:27am

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  6. Corky

     /  23rd July 2016

    Here’s an interesting clip from the man who claims to have invented the word “‘Islamophobia” The clip has a reputable survey of British Muslims. Some was very good, some quite shocking, and in my opinion, that negated the good. I also disagree with the finding that harmony between Muslims and the wider community can be achieved. I fail to see how this is possible given the findings in this clip.

    Some points:

    1- 51% believe homosexuality should be illegal in Britain.
    2- 40% have some sympathy towards terrorist acts. 4% of Muslims( 100,000) believe terrorism is justified.
    3- 35% believe Jews have too much power, verses 9% of the wider public.
    4- 1 in 3 Muslims believe polygamy is acceptable.
    5- 87% believe no one has a right to make fun of the prophet.
    6- 18% believe violence against those who mock the prophet is acceptable.
    7- 45% would prefer to send their children to schools with strong Muslim values. At such schools, boys slap girls on the head for not covering up. The Head Mistress at one school was told ”only slags don’t cover their heads” Nice.
    8- Half of Muslims want Sharia law of some type. There already exists such Sharia councils and they interpret cases in strict Koran fashion. Repeat- this is in Britain.

    There was an recurrent theme of women as second class citizens.

    Gezz’s past post about young Muslims having trouble with the dichotomy of working or going to school in a liberal society, then going home to a strict Muslim environment was also born out by this clip.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  23rd July 2016

      People are entitled to answer honestly in polls.Get over it. How many Christians think that homosexuality is all right ? Or that divorce is wrong because it’s condemned in the Bible ? Or that it’s not all right to mock Jesus ? I’d like to know what ‘some sympathy’ means. Often in polls there are either/or questions, with answers that aren’t what one really thinks either way. One has to answer the least inaccurate.

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      • Corky

         /  23rd July 2016

        You need to get over your naivety. To my knowledge Christians don’t stone or throw or behead gays and innocent people.

        “some sympathy’” – an example. ” Well , I’m sorry those innocent infidels were killed. I truely am, but as a Muslim I can understand why that lost brother did such a thing”

        Kitty, tell me you are having me on. Because if you aren’t, you and the west have a major problem with problem solving.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  23rd July 2016

          Not at all, but my years at university taught me to think logically, and not to take everything at face value. At no time did I say that Christians did such things-those are your words. I have seen many sloppily worded surveys with questions that are all but unanswerable as Y/N; they are like the old joke ‘Answer Yes or No; do you still beat your wife ?’ If the person says No, they are saying that they used to do so.

          Y/N: is modern technology good or bad ? How can anyone give a simplistic answer to that ?

          I said ‘How many Christians think that homosexuality is all right ?’ The survey asked the same. It didn’t ask if they should be killed or stoned.

          The Catholic Church still doesn’t allow divorce; the Bible agrees with them.

          ‘Some sympathy’. Is that sympathy as in understanding why-as I can understand the reason behind the IRA, knowing the background history-or sympathy as in agreeing with the acts ?

          Don’t put words in my mouth and do read answers properly; you are much less likely to put your foot in it that way.

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          • Corky

             /  23rd July 2016

            Ah, Kitty. You are not the only one who can think logically. I was taught in the L Susan Stebbing style. John Inglis and Roger Lewis also wrote good stuff. Of course logical thinking and correct debating protocols are at odds with blog commenting. They make for boring commentary…sometimes! That is why you,I and everyone else is guilty of some transgression.

            “At no time did I say that Christians did such things-those are your words. ”

            You are correct: my point was Muslims who answered in the negative to certain question are quite prepared to back their opinions with violence- way out of proportion to Christians.

            “I have seen many sloppily worded surveys with questions that are all but unanswerable as Y/N”

            I get the impression this wasn’t one of those surveys. For example respondents were given envelopes to secure answers regarding certain sensitive questions. However, I once scored 18/30 questions right in an online electrical engineers test ( second year) I knew nothing about said subject, but the test had multi-choice questions allowing me a good guess by a process of elimination. So Y/N can work, both for and against us.

            I said, ” How many Christians think that homosexuality is all right ”. Given the liberal stance of Christianity, especially regarding the Anglican Church which has splintered over this same topic, I would estimate 30%.

            ‘Some sympathy’. Is that sympathy as in understanding why-as I can understand the reason behind the IRA, knowing the background history-or sympathy as in agreeing with the acts

            I would guess one or the other, or both. But to state, once again:

            ” 2- 40% have some sympathy towards terrorist acts. 4% of Muslims( 100,000) believe terrorism is justified.” I think we are past philosophical speculation, Kitty. Especially as this survey mirrors other non-partisan surveys around Europe.

            “Don’t put words in my mouth and do read answers properly; you are much less likely to put your foot in it that way.”

            Likewise. Oh, did you see the authors name on the front clip?

            Trevor Phillips , Former Chair Equality and Human Rights Commission.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  23rd July 2016

    Does john key worry about ANY THING ???? watch the NZ news do you think key worries about any crisas if it dosnt effect his polling??????

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    • @ lurcher1948 – He’s worrying all right, behind the scenes, don’t you fret about that. ‘They’ all are. He’s looking upwards and saying to his closest associates … (Blazer can fill us in on who they are?) …

      “Sh%t, how high can this House-of-Cards get before it topples …?”

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