Apocalypse imminent?

Tobias Stone, described as a leading British academic who specialises in archeology and anthropology, has written an article suggesting that another great war is looming. And the warning of impending apocalypse is apparently gaining traction.

Predictions of apocalypses are common so I’m not sure why this one is getting so much attention.

The Doomsday clock was left at 3 minutes to midnight in January this year by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists…

…recent progress in the Iran nuclear agreement and the Paris climate accord “constitute only small bright spots in a darker world situation full of potential for catastrophe.”

But that was before the rise of Donald Trump in the US and the Brexit vote in the UK.

NZH: Trump, Putin and Brexit all signs another world war is coming

Tobias Stone, who specialises in archeology and anthropology, has invoked the apocalypse in an article published this week that is rapidly gaining traction.

Stone argues that there are chilling similarities between the terrifying dictators who led us into WWI and WWII and modern politicians such as Vladimir Putin, Robert Mugabe and US Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

“Trump says he will Make America great again, when in fact America is currently great, according to pretty well any statistics,” he writes – an observation echoed by US President Barack Obama in his speech to the Democratic National Convention on Thursday.

“He is using passion, anger, and rhetoric in the same way all his predecessors did – a charismatic narcissist who feeds on the crowd to become ever stronger, creating a cult around himself.

“You can blame society, politicians, the media, for America getting to the point that it’s ready for Trump, but the bigger historical picture is that history generally plays out the same way each time someone like him becomes the boss.”

Stone says it’s a scenario that’s playing out across the world.

“Russia is a dictatorship with a charismatic leader using fear and passion to establish a cult around himself,” he writes.

“Turkey is now there too. Hungary, Poland, Slovakia are heading that way, and across Europe more Trumps and Putins are waiting in the wings, in fact funded by Putin, waiting for the popular tide to turn their way.”

Throw in Brexit and you have the perfect storm – conditions that are ripe for a Third World War, and a nuclear one at that. Stone paints a terrifying picture of how it could all play out.

“An example of how Brexit could lead to a nuclear war could be this: Brexit in the UK causes Italy or France to have a similar referendum,” he writes.

“Le Pen wins an election in France. Europe now has a fractured EU. The EU, for all its many awful faults, has prevented a war in Europe for longer than ever before. The EU is also a major force in suppressing Putin’s military ambitions.

“European sanctions on Russia really hit the economy, and helped temper Russia’s attacks on Ukraine (there is a reason bad guys always want a weaker European Union). Trump wins in the US. Trump becomes isolationist, which weakens Nato. He has already said he would not automatically honour Nato commitments in the face of a Russian attack on the Baltics.

“With a fractured EU, and weakened Nato, Putin, facing an ongoing economic and social crisis in Russia, needs another foreign distraction around which to rally his people. He funds far-right anti-EU activists in Latvia, who then create a reason for an uprising of the Russian Latvians in the east of the country (the EU border with Russia).

“Russia sends ‘peace keeping forces’ and ‘aid lorries’ into Latvia, as it did in Georgia, and in Ukraine. (Putin) annexes Eastern Latvia as he did Eastern Ukraine (Crimea has the same population as Latvia, by the way).

“A divided Europe, with the leaders of France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and others now pro-Russia, anti-EU, and funded by Putin, overrule calls for sanctions or a military response. Nato is slow to respond: Trump does not want America to be involved, and a large part of Europe is indifferent or blocking any action.

“Russia, seeing no real resistance to their actions, move further into Latvia, and then into eastern Estonia and Lithuania. The Baltic States declare war on Russia and start to retaliate, as they have now been invaded so have no choice. Half of Europe sides with them, a few countries remain neutral, and a few side with Russia. Where does Turkey stand on this? How does [Isis] respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?”

Stone believes we ignore the warning signs, the unnerving feelings of déjà vu and allow history to repeat itself because most peoples’ perspective is limited to the experience communicated by their parents and their grandparents.

“My point is that this is a cycle,” he writes.

All sorts of things could and will happen. And have happened – the Highlanders didn’t make the Super final.

But is a World War more likely than usual?

Is the apocalypse really imminent? Just in case:

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29 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  31st July 2016

    As ever, scaremongering sells, though not as well as sex. In that respect Trump and Clinton and this guy are all on the same page.

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  2. Gezza

     /  31st July 2016

    I watched the 20 minute long first interview of Trump & Pence together by Lesley Stahl on CBS’s 60 Minutes show on Prime TV last night.

    If you want to get an idea of what kind of US President Trump will be, watch this.
    Trump is a very scary guy, IMO.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  31st July 2016

      I listened to about the first third but didn’t find it scary. Why did you?

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      • Gezza

         /  31st July 2016

        I’m down to dial up speed for 2 weeks because downloading Win10 exceeded my cap, so it’ll take forever to buffer before I can double check tht it’s the same interview I watched last night. If it is the same interview:

        Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer
        Amerika uber alles.

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      • Nelly Smickers

         /  31st July 2016

        And we see ‘The Donald’ getting one up on Mike…..with the old *Pull My Finger* gag XD XD

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  3. pickled possum

     /  31st July 2016

    Yep, Well What can I say … Men! … Farking It Up Since Adam was a Yes Man.

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    • Gezza

       /  31st July 2016

      I don’t think it’s the gender that causes it. I think it’s the personality type.

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      • pickled possum

         /  31st July 2016

        OH, OK Geza lol … just in a mischief mood, this morena.
        And of course you are correct. It is the personality of the person who pushes the WAR button, that seems important than having a WAR button, these days.
        Just practising my scaremongering technique for when the confusion sets in, before I go into the hills and slaughter some Tobacco weed.
        There is only the One Voice that will say when this world should end and it ain’t any humans.
        Ma te wa

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  4. What a crap scenario from Stone…. Oh my god….The Left is in retreat in Europe and our dream of a centralised dictatorial state based in Brussels has been broken by the naughty English shop keepers… how dare they…. Its DOOOMSDAY I tell ya DOOMESDAY…

    Seriously move on and get over it. The people voted in the UK and rejected Satism and rule by unelected autocrats based in Brussels

    Putin is a paper tiger niggling the West because he sees one weakling after another in the seats of power – Merkel, Hollande and friends appeasers one and all. Putin enjoys the fruits of power – he is not dumb enough to confront the West because ultimately its a conflict he can’t win. The US defeated the USSR and it will do the same to Putins Russia if necessary.

    Give Putin what he craves, a secure heartland and a Russia that is treated respectfully internationally then he will go back to banging models and actresses in his dacha by the Black Sea. To do this the West needs to help Russia grow economically and get away from the reliance they have on oil revenues. Putin is lashing about because the oil crash has crippled his state economically

    And I will say this the EU and NATO should stay the hell out of the Urkraine. Belarus and Ukraine are traditional buffer territory for the Russian heartland. Just treat it as neutral territory you idiot NATO types and defuse the situation thats been bubbling for the last decade…

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    • Gezza

       /  31st July 2016

      The US defeated the USSR and it will do the same to Putins Russia if necessary

      The US needs to be very careful that it does not think the same way Godwin did and assume that Russia would have no powerful allies, & could overcome any adversay – because the US continually threatens and even attacks any & all other countries who it considers to be frustrating, or refusing to recognise, its self-proclaimed ‘right’ to be the world’s only superpower and to subordinate everybody else to Amerika’s interests.

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      • Gezza

         /  31st July 2016

        Whoops – I did a terrible job on that. Let me re-state it, correctly.

        The US needs to be very careful that it does not think the same way Godwin did and assume that Russia would have no powerful allies were it to be threatened or attacked, & that the US could overcome any adversary.

        Because the US continually threatens, bullies, and even attacks, any & all other countries which it considers to be frustrating, or refusing to recognise, its self-proclaimed ‘right’ to be the world’s only superpower and to subordinate everybody else to Amerika’s interests. And the last 100 years history shows us that even former adversaries will quickly ally themselves against a common enemy. And win.

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      • Gezza… the world would be howling a hell of a lot more if America retreat to its 1930’s position.

        America’s reticence to enter WWII cost a lot of lives and dragged out a conflict which would have been over much quicker if America had been involved when Czech sovereignty was violated preventing the war or when Polands sovereignty was violated shortening the war.

        Nature abhors a vacuum Gezza – do you prefer US or one of China or Russia as world cop?

        Superpowers operate in ways we don’t like – pursuing their own interests. But by having them in place you avoid much wider and more damaging conflicts…

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        • Gezza

           /  31st July 2016

          I don’t think you’ve noticed how much Amerika has changed since WW2 Dave.
          You are looking at a police state with a lot of disgruntled, angry, disempowered people who lament that it has been betrayed by its leaders and has wrongly lost its greatness and rightful place as leader of the world . All it needs is the demagogue with simple & simplistic answers & messages to tell them he, personally, is the solution to reversing all of that.

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          • Gezza

             /  31st July 2016

            One other point Dave:

            the world would be howling a hell of a lot more if America retreat to its 1930’s position

            The world wouldn’t be under attack from Muslim terrorists if they had.

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          • Maybe Gezza, maybe not. The 1930s US was full of disgruntled and angry people as well…

            Trump is playing a part. And frankly he is not the fascist demagogue that the Left are making him out to be.

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            • Gezza

               /  31st July 2016

              I’m not a lefty. I am an avid historian for the period from the 1840s to the present time. I have made a particular point of study of Germany, Japan, Italy, China, the USSR, Britain & the USA..

  5. Apocalypse imminent? Sh!t, you could’ve fooled me … and what’s this, “another great war is looming”? Aren’t we having one already?

    ” … conditions that are ripe for a Third World War, and a nuclear one at that … How does [Isis] respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?”

    Not ISIS, because they don’t have nuclear weapons! How do they respond? Well, one might surmise their little plastique suicide bombs will look pathetic upon the landscape of a devastated Europe … and to what effect? To further disrupt the devastation? Yeah, right!?

    ISIS is dependent on relatively healthy Western societies to “terrorise”, don’t you think? Perhaps they’ll take their people-bombs [what really amount to little more than ‘farts’ in the bigger picture] to neutral countries? Perhaps they’ll just blow themselves up anyway in little ‘tanty’ protests at having been made ineffectually by the big powers?

    Maybe Pakistan or Israel shoots first? Powerfully opposing the “who draws first” idea is a kind of perverse “upside” to the ‘nuclear deterent’. Everyone-bar-no-one knows they’re not going to get away with it, other than bringing about the destruction of globalised Western (or Westernised) civilisation, which is the very ‘way of life’ they are theoretically fighting FOR?

    Even some Ayatollah with his hand on the button is going to think, “Damn! How will I get to-and-from my private palace without the Mercedes?” and “Hell, we started this civilisation back in the day, with an agricultural revolution, why am I about to destroy it?”

    I think much of the 20th Century and especially World War Two, Korea and Vietnam WERE the apocolypse! We’ve had it. The horsemen have ridden. The Beast with the face of a Lion, tail of a Scorpion and hair of Woman has flown [a perfect description of an Iroquois helicopter or Cobra Gunship]. It’s largely over and done with, only we haven’t quite realised it yet, and we’d rather play-out [and we’re addicted to] the game we know, rather than trying a new game … Peace and Negotiation. We’d rather prolong our own agony with another Desert Storm …

    There may be another “great” ‘war of alignment’ to reset global power-bloc boundaries and spheres of influence, but it will be fought with ‘small arms’ (so to speak), not with nukes, just like its prelusive skirmishes are being fought now …

    The question becomes: What are we going to do about the political will [or addiction or disease] hell bent on waging war and about the non-nuclear weapons used to enable it?

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  6. I am with M.Hollande and the Pope on this subject. We (i.e. Western Civilisation) are at war right now. One hopes that it will not escalate to “Total War” because then all the Rules of War become subject to the final test i.e. The winner decides all. God help us all!
    Did you feel the change in the magnetic field last night? It happened just before the final whistle in the Highlanders match!

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    • Gezza

       /  31st July 2016

      The Pope says the problem with Islamic terrorism is not religion. The Pope has to say that. The Pope is the head of another religion which is also based on bullshit.

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    • @ Beejay – As I understand it Western civilisation began in the Middle East, “the cradle of civilisation”, and spread across the globe from there. Various political and religi-political systems are merely modified versions of it, socialism, communism, capitalism, Islamism; now almost universal, all slightly different ways of organising the annual crops, resource extraction, factory production and retail outlets.

      Essentially, Western civilisation is at war WITH ITSELF right now.

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      • Gezza

         /  31st July 2016

        @ Pz. Forgive my barging in, but, no your understanding is incorrect. You are mistaking the tools and some organisational aspect of civilisation for civilisations themselves. Modern Western civilisations are as different in many respects from other civilisations as they are from each other.

        Western civilisations are even different in several respects from their own earlier models, as is also the case with some other current civilisations.

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        • Gezza

           /  31st July 2016

          Essentially, Western civilisation is at war WITH ITSELF right now
          And I also disagree with that. Western democracies have the systems & processes to change the prevaliing political & economic conditions in their own societies without the necessity to go to war with themselves.

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  7. Nelly Smickers

     /  31st July 2016

    This was Wayne’s favorite bit…….

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  8. Zedd

     /  31st July 2016

    Theres an old saying “ALL things come in 3” even the ‘one God’ apparently ? :/

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    • Gezza

       /  31st July 2016

      There is not one: there are, and have been, many gods. There may even be none. It all depends what your conception of God is.

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  9. illa praecepta sunt

     /  3rd August 2016

    I tried to find out who this Doomsday sayer, Tobias Stone was. The story reports he is an academic, for some reason I assumed an Historian. However, I can not find a single one of his published works; please correct me if anyone knows of any. You see, to be an academic one *must* have formally published works, and frequently.

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  10. Alan Wilkinson

     /  3rd August 2016

    Seems to be a PhD student at Huddersfield University studying innovation and entrepreneurial accelerators. A considerable self-publicist apparently.

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