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26 August 2016

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  1. Missy

     /  26th August 2016

    So, the traingate story is rolling along – I have now seen about 4 different versions from Corbyn’s team as to why he did not have a seat on the train, and after the latest from his aides/spokespeople, I am starting to wonder if anyone in his office communicates! Today a story came out that one of his aides said that they could not get hold of Corbyn on Tuesday when Traingate broke because he was ‘making jam’, however, a spokesperson from his office claimed that this was not true and they were in touch with Corbyn all day. But I think due to it being end of summer and not much else happening this has gotten more coverage than it may have – the original story last week seems to have only be covered by the Guardian whilst most were saturated with the Olympics.

    Still on Labour, an embarrassing situation has arisen where they may not be able to hold their annual conference in Liverpool at the end of September. It appears that they have no security provider for the conference. The situation comes about after the party voted to boycott G4S, who have provided security at their conferences for the last 20 years, because of their business interests in Israel and prison contracts. However of the companies approached it seems that only one provided a bid, a company that one of the biggest backers of Labour (GMB Union) have said cannot provide the security because the company do not recognise GMB Union – which is the biggest union representing security staff. Labour then had to (humiliatingly) back down and approach G4S with an offer for them to provide security. It has emerged today that G4S have turned down the job for several reasons including the short time frame, and incidents at previous events including staff being spat at and verbally abused by Labour Party members. If Labour are unable to find a security provider they will be in a position where they will have to either ask local police – at an exorbitant cost to the taxpayer – or cancel the conference. I will be surprised if the police will be able to do this at short notice, these events take a lot of planning, usually months – G4S has been quoted as saying they would normally plan for something like this for up to a year in advance.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  26th August 2016

      A muslim blaming ISRAEL who would have thought that,just saying

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th August 2016

        No, the Muslim just reported it. The security analysts believe it was the Israeli company.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th August 2016

        ‘Just say’ something else, Lurch. “Just saying’ appears in almost all your posts.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  26th August 2016

    This is an amazing, horrific story I have never heard about before:
    http://www.historynet.com/dietrich-von-choltitz-saved-of-paris-from-destruction-during-world-war-ii.htm

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    • Blazer

       /  26th August 2016

      Very interesting story Al.Some big egos in that lot.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  26th August 2016

        Yes, egos and political ambitions kill a lot of innocent people.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th August 2016

          Exactly. The yanks have got it sussed the best since WW2 ended though Al. They make sure that they only kill a lot of innocent people in other countries.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  26th August 2016

            Then make a frightful fuss when someone returns the compliment.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th August 2016

              Then make a frightful fuss when someone returns the compliment.
              Well, yes Kitty, but they think they’ve got that one sussed now too. They do it from thousands of miles or thousands of feet up & it all just looks like a video game.

              In fact they no longer recruit pilots in some ex-fighter bases, they really do actually recruit young gamers to sit in Nevada and kill people thousands of miles away.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  26th August 2016

            No, they kill 16,000+ of each other per year.

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            • Gezza

               /  26th August 2016

              Small change, compared to the numbers they’ve either killed directly or armed & encouraged people to kill in other countries since WW2 Al.

              And surely most of those home kills are *accidents*?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  26th August 2016

              I meant that if someone comes to America-as in 911-one never hears the end of it. Whereas when they do it, it’s quite all right.

              Home kills-that’s a good expression. The mass killings like the school ones and cinema massacre can’t really be explained away as accidents, alas, or the other mass kilings, One killing might be, but not a large number-or even an entire family.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  26th August 2016

              That stat was defined as assaults and homicides, so hardly accidents, Gezza. A decade => 160K – not insignificant.

              However, I take your point that the US has never in living memory fought an external foe on its mainland which explains its hysterically stupid response to 911.

  3. Kitty Catkin

     /  26th August 2016

    The people who are protesting the loss of the bank in Fairlie don’t seem to be using it much, except for one old lady who refuses to use online or phone banking. I have been into a branch a few times since I was widowed because of unavoidable things to do with that (things that needed documents and signatures), but apart from that, I haven’t, it’s all online. I suppose that the bank just can’t justify keeping a branch open for so little use. Does anyone here still use bank branches as a usual thing ?

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  26th August 2016

      Nope, havn’t been to a branch in over a year myself. There is a bit of a stink being kicked up around here too, about the impending closure of some local branches. I do feel a bit sorry for some elderly folk, who can’t get their heads around internet banking, but they could always use telebanking instead…

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  26th August 2016

        If I don’t count the things to do with the estate, which had to be done in person and were not ordinary transactions, of course, I couldn’t tell you when I last used a branch. It may seem hard, but banks can’t keep branches open for a few old people, the cost would be prohibitive. Maybe they could shift to Kiwibank if there’s a local PO. What do the businesses do ? I bet that there’s a lot less cash being banked since eftpos came in-but there’d be some. .

        When I closed my Mastercard, it took 2-3 minutes on the phone. People will have to get used to the fact that banking has changed.

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        • Gezza

           /  26th August 2016

          Maybe they could shift to Kiwibank if there’s a local PO. What do the businesses do ?

          Well, in the case of my pharmacist, the local Westpac Branch announced its closure with a sign on the door the next day. So he shifted to Kiwibank & is constantly & ardently recommending to anybody else he knows that they do the same, & telling them why.

          He retired recently. He was well-liked. He and his wife, who also worked in his shop alongside the other 4-5 employees, are moving to his lifestyle block & winery in Martinborough, where they are also well-known & liked, so I hope if there’s a Masterton Westpac branch it’ll be seeing a few account closures.

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  4. Kitty Catkin

     /  26th August 2016

    Apart from its being convenient, I save 22% on my power bill by doing it online. That alone would make it worth it.

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  5. patupaiarehe

     /  26th August 2016

    I suspect it’s not really about banking for many of the ‘seniors’. What they will miss, is an excuse to go and have a chat with someone. Seeing a friendly face can really lift a lonely person’s day…

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  6. duperez

     /  26th August 2016

    Truths about the closures:
    a) Old people struggle with internet banking.
    b) For economic reasons banks close branches which do not have many customers.
    c) Westpac will soon announce record profits.

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