Hobson’s choice ‘anti-separatist’ campaign

Don Brash is fronting an anti-separatist campaign aimed at pressuring politicians to oppose ‘preferential treatment of Maori’.

Stuff: ‘Anti-separatist’ campaign launched against ‘Maori favouritism’ ahead of 2017 election

The campaign group is running a number of newspaper ads calling for an end to separatism and race-based laws – and will consider donating to any parties willing to “commit strongly to a colour-blind state”

The campaign, Hobson’s Pledge, is named after the first governor of New Zealand, Captain William Hobson, and his statement upon signing the Treaty of Waitangi that “we are now one people”.

That ‘one people’ pledge must have been a bit fluid. Maori men didn’t get to vote until 1867, all European men didn’t get to vote until 1879 and, and no women could vote until 1893.

The campaign says it wants to “arrest a decline into irreversible separatism” by ending race-based structures and co-governance models, but claims “we are not in any sense anti-Maori”.

So they want to reverse rights committed to under the Treaty of Waitangi. That sounds a bit anti-Maori rights to me.

Brash, anti-MMP campaigner Peter Shirtcliffe and Canterbury University law lecturer David Round are among the group’s members.

Shirtcliffe campaigned against more representative democracy.

Brash said the catalyst for the campaign was a number of government policies which would “create a constitutional preference for those with a Maori ancestor”, such as proposed changes to the Resource Management Act to require iwi involvement.

“I’m not trying to win another election – I’m out of politics – but I want to avoid New Zealand drifting further into a racially-based society.”

The National-led government had betrayed its principles and promises to end separatism since gaining power, he said.

No politics? I don’t know how Brash can be ‘out of politics’ and achieve anything on this.

Government minister Steven Joyce said the campaign was “part of democracy”.

However, he did not believe the issue of separatism would have the same resonance as a decade ago, saying “a lot of water’s flowed under the bridge in that time”.

“I just think that actually most New Zealanders recognise they have a Prime Minister who’s actually very even-handed on this sort of stuff and very careful to respect everybody’s rights and interests.”

It is very unlikely National, Labour or Greens will dump on the Treaty settlements.

If Brash and co are not after votes I don’t know how they will achieve anything. From their website:

Our vision for New Zealand is a society in which all citizens are equal before the law, irrespective of when they or their ancestors arrived in this land.

 What we plan to do:

Now is the time to arrest a decline into irreversible separatism. This may be achieved by speaking out wherever local authorities
propose race-based structures and where the current government proposes co-governance.

This may also be achieved in next year’s election by supporting and voting for any party that would vote against all laws, regulations and policies that provide for any entitlement based on ancestry or ethnicity.

Ideally, this political party would commit to:

  • remove all reference to consultation with any ethnic group from the proposed changes to the Resource Management Act
  • hold a referendum on scrapping separate Maori electorates
  • drop the proposal to grant tribal trusts special powers to control the allocation of water – something previously regarded as the exclusive province of local government

This…

Group of people holding Australian flag

…is a bit out of synch with what could be their grandparents:

hobsonspledge

Sounds too much like Hobson’s choice – and there may be nothing at all for them to take..

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30 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  28th September 2016

    I’m for this..but its a bit too late. All Brash can hope to achieve is nothing. Maori may have lost in previous decades, but now they hold five aces. The sooner Brash realises he’s a second class citzen, the sooner he can stop being hated for being honest, and move on.

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    • Gezza

       /  28th September 2016

      Poor second class beggar. Life must be hell for him. I suppose he lives in a caravan somewhere Corky. Does say how much in debt to Work & Income he is?

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      • Corky

         /  28th September 2016

        He has all the physical wants he may desire. But he doesn’t have mana. Something Maori are reclaiming. Two wrongs seem to make one RIGHT.

        ps David Round is the only one I have seen really standup to Willy Jackson. They hate each other. That was quite palpable through the TV screen. These are brave people, Gezza. Would you be as brave, considering what will be coming their way?

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        • Gezza

           /  28th September 2016

          Nope. Sometimes bravery = stupidity. Brash has got oodles of mana with white first class citizens, even if the poor sod has to live in a caravan.

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          • Corky

             /  28th September 2016

            Well, that’s your opinion. Maybe if we turned the equation around to read stupidity sometimes equals bravery if you are a second-class citzen may be closer to the mark.

            ‘Brash has got oodles of mana with white first class citizens.’

            Brash is an embrassement to the White first class. He’s a failed loser who got caught out in more ways than one. Darling, that just won’t do.

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            • Gezza

               /  28th September 2016

              Isn’t a failed loser a winner?
              What class do you reckon he travels in in passenger jets?

            • Corky

               /  28th September 2016

              What class do you reckon he travels in in passenger jets?

              Business class. I have sat near him. Yes, there are usually differences between business and firstclass depending on the airline.

        • Jeeves

           /  30th September 2016

          This is not bravery. This is nothing more than the special type of bigoted cowardice that only well-off whites can muster from within their ignorant bubbles.

          Boat-homies, the lot of them.

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  2. patupaiarehe

     /  28th September 2016

    So they want to reverse rights committed to under the Treaty of Waitangi.

    Which rights would those be Pete? These rights???

    Article the third [Article 3]
    In consideration thereof Her Majesty the Queen of England extends to the Natives of New Zealand Her royal protection and imparts to them all the Rights and Privileges of British Subjects.

    Brash is ‘out of politics’, as much as a retired cop is ‘out of the police’. On the face of it, this looks a lot like ACT pinching NZFirst policy.
    If anyone hasn’t watched this entire clip already, they should.
    http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/45669

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  28th September 2016

      skip to 2:00

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    • Corky

       /  28th September 2016

      Winston at his best. Very informative. Thanks

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  28th September 2016

        Unfortunately Corky, most people only hear ‘sound bytes’ on the news, and not the entire speech. I convinced a good friend of mine (who isn’t too interested in politics) to watch that, & the following clip last weekend, and his reaction was “WTF! Everyone needs to see this stuff!”….
        http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/45679
        Many thanks to Pete Kane for posting this the other day

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  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  28th September 2016

    The link I posted this afternoon seems relevant: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/09/27/favors_to_blacks_131894.html

    The ToW industry maintains a Maori oligarchy that ensures the mass of their people are kept in a cycle of poverty.

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  4. Conspiratoor

     /  28th September 2016

    Brash is to the right wing what dear old lurch is to the left. But should we care? I know it’s a big ask but try to focus on the message not the personalities folks. Cheers,c

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  28th September 2016

      A great example of why the opposing side might be right? Not sure I’m picking up what you’re putting down C…

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  28th September 2016

        Hey there pat, we all know Don’s track record suggests he’s as useless as tits on a bull. But he’s not important here. It’s the message, and it’s one that’s well overdue in my view. Not whether Don sits up the pointy end when he flies. I haven’t got your staying power so I’ll sign off now. Cheers,c

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  28th September 2016

          I’ll take that as a compliment C, since I don’t get many from you. Perhaps a bull might enjoy a few extra ‘tits’ to play with? And perhaps we shouldn’t judge a message solely on the spokesperson. There is a party behind every policy, and I think a little honesty, about who is behind this policy, would be great. Who are you working with Don???

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  5. Pete Kane

     /  29th September 2016

    From this morning.”Don Brash fronts a newly-launched lobby group pressure politicans into stamping out what it calls “Maori favouritism”.”
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201817940/anti-separatist-group-launched

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  6. Zedd

     /  29th September 2016

    looks like the ‘Brash party’ : candidates pool ? 😀

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  7. The whole ‘anti-separatist’ movement relies on arguments so simplistic and puerile IMHO, it can only be symptomatic of sub-and-unconscious racism – deeply ingrained, ‘institutional’ and possibly even archetypal – since the anti-separatists themselves represent the worst [or least IQ & EQ] echelons of the single largest group of separatists, the dominant ‘European’ Colonial ‘ruling’ culture of Western Secular Christendom.

    “The concept of the nation-state and its consolidation of societal entities into one territorially defined country is a solely Western construct.[2] Thus the extent to which international law reflects the sovereign will of Western states is great. However, it falls short on the reflection of non-Western states’ will.

    By distinguishing the hierarchy created by colonialism, sovereignty can be understood [as] in itself a ‘civilising mission’ required to ensure the imperial power endures despite decolonisation. This allows only Western hegemonic states to be reflected in international law.”

    http://www.e-ir.info/2016/04/01/to-what-extent-does-international-law-reflect-the-sovereign-will-of-states/

    “there is no denying that in our time, differences among cultures concerning the constitution of a society are inevitable. The challenge for constitutional theorists is to find a boundary, not between cultures themselves, but between those aspects of constitutional thought that are universal and those parts that are relative, or particular. Just as we can distinguish between alternative forms, or structures, of government so too should we try to delimit the boundary between commonalities and differences in constitutional thought and practice.”

    http://web.stanford.edu/dept/iis/democracy/Seminar/Sklar.htm

    In short, ‘Hobson’s Pledge’ becomes Hobson’s Oversight …

    Hobson’s Mistake? Or maybe Hobson’s Deceit ….?

    I know!!!! Let’s just repeat it!?

    I reckon we need to think-feel very deeply about this. Reversion to a facile maxim like “One Rule For All” is a cop-out IMO. Frankly I think its cowardly. We know minorities exist. We know minorities suffer bias and discrimination. In a ‘Majority Rules’ system like ours ‘One Rule For All’ can only mean ‘One Majority Rules All’ …

    Maybe ………….. change the system?

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    • Iceberg

       /  29th September 2016

      We should change the system for sure.

      Maybe to; one person, one vote?

      They seemed keen on that idea in Wanganui.

      Sorry, the rest of your rant was impenetrable.

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      • Impenetrable to you maybe Iceberg …

        IMHO, if those considering our new written Constitution don’t address some of these issues, notably “One Western Rule For All”, we will surely ‘pledge’ to our grandchildren – mokopuna the same racial bias, iniquity, ethical degradation and outright villiany which has infused the last 200 years …

        Of course “they” seemed keen on that idea … “They” are the White majority …

        Check it out Iceberg … http://www.whanganui.govt.nz/our-council/mayor-and-councillors/Pages/default.aspx

        NOTE the discrepancy? The WDC are happy to use brown faces in their ‘Public Image’ – in fact, ALL their ‘PR faces’ are brown – but are there any among the Mayor & Councillors?

        There’s probably one … Cr Rangi Wills …?

        Maori, who make up 5.6% of Whanganui’s population, are therefore over-represented on Council, I hear you say … Except there’s history …

        “The effect was a creeping confiscation of almost 4,000 km2 (1,500 sq mi) of land, with little distinction between the land of loyal or rebel Māori owners.[27] The outcome of the armed conflict in Taranaki between 1860 and 1869 was a series of enforced confiscations of Taranaki tribal land from Māori blanketed as being in rebellion against the Government.

        Once Titokowaru was defeated and the East Coast threat minimised, the alienation of Māori land, as well as the political subjugation of Māori, continued at an even more rapid pace.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Wars#The_Second_Taranaki_War
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Wars#Titokowaru.27s_War

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        • Jeeves

           /  30th September 2016

          Partizan- there are about 15,000 Maori from a population of about 60,000 in Whanganui – so more like 25%.

          And the area is all the more rich for it. A truly beautiful area.

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          • @ Jeeves – Very happy indeed to be corrected on that one. I Googled “Maori population of Whanganui District” and got –

            “Māori ethnic population.
            9,075 Māori usually live in Wanganui District, an increase of 483 people, or 5.6 percent, since the 2001 Census. Its Māori population ranks 22nd in size out of the 73 districts in New Zealand. 1.6 percent of New Zealand’s Māori population usually live in Wanganui District.”

            I totally agree the Whanganui area is rich and truly beautiful … Rich in so many ways too, a national treasure really. Also, amongst myriad other things both positive and challenging, IMHO, Taranaki [New Plymouth], South Taranaki, Stratford, Whanganui, Rangatikei and Manuwatu, the areas most affected by the Second Taranaki Wars and Titokowaru’s War, is where pakeha showed their true colours – deceit, dishonesty and duplicity – with a tendency toward genocide – exemplified ultimately and futilely by the invasion and sacking of Parihaka …

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  30th September 2016

              The increase was 5.6% not the population. Racial quotas are invidious and invite discrimination and separatism. Democracy needs other ways to support inclusiveness.

        • Iceberg

           /  30th September 2016

          ” same racial bias, iniquity, ethical degradation and outright villiany which has infused the last 200 years”

          I think you made your timeline selectively short, why not 600 years? Then you’ll find some real “villiany”. By today’s standards anyway.

          Here’s the thing. If you want to tour the country and cleanse it of names originating from those who were exercising free speech of the time and replace them with those you agree with, based on your 21st century liberal guilt, well, good luck with that.

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  8. Yes, the are all whingers. They have too many privileges!!!!

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