Post debate poll bounce for Clinton

The FiveThirtyEight odds for president have swung back towards a bigger lead for Hillary Clinton. Their current forecast:

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http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

A the trend lines show that could just as easily turn around again. The US electorate seems to be volatile, I suspect with a large number of voters unhappy with all candidates.

Will the weight of media opinion take it’s toll on Trump in the final month of the campaign?

USA Today is the latest to come out against Trump.

USA TODAY’s Editorial Board: Trump is ‘unfit for the presidency’

The Editorial Board has never taken sides in the presidential race. We’re doing it now.

In the 34-year history of USA TODAY, the Editorial Board has never taken sides in the presidential race. Instead, we’ve expressed opinions about the major issues and haven’t presumed to tell our readers, who have a variety of priorities and values, which choice is best for them. Because every presidential race is different, we revisit our no-endorsement policy every four years. We’ve never seen reason to alter our approach. Until now.

This year, the choice isn’t between two capable major party nominees who happen to have significant ideological differences. This year, one of the candidates — Republican nominee Donald Trump — is, by unanimous consensus of the Editorial Board, unfit for the presidency.

From the day he declared his candidacy 15 months ago through this week’s first presidential debate, Trump has demonstrated repeatedly that he lacks the temperament, knowledge, steadiness and honesty that America needs from its presidents.

Whether through indifference or ignorance, Trump has betrayed fundamental commitments made by all presidents since the end of World War II. These commitments include unwavering support for NATO allies, steadfast opposition to Russian aggression, and the absolute certainty that the United States will make good on its debts. He has expressed troubling admiration for authoritarian leaders and scant regard for constitutional protections.

They then list a number of problems they see with Trump:

  • He is erratic
    He simply spouts slogans and outcomes (he’d replace Obamacare with “something terrific”) without any credible explanations of how he’d achieve them.
  • He is ill-equipped to be commander in chief
    Trump’s foreign policy pronouncements typically range from uninformed to incoherent.
  • He traffics in prejudice
    From the very beginning, Trump has built his campaign on appeals to bigotry and xenophobia.
  • His business career is checkered
    Trump has built his candidacy on his achievements as a real estate developer and entrepreneur. It’s a shaky scaffold…
  • He isn’t leveling with the American people
    …alone among major party presidential candidates for the past four decades, he refuses to release his tax returns…
  • He speaks recklessly
    …It’s hard to imagine two more irresponsible statements from one presidential candidate.
  • He has coarsened the national dialogue
    Trump’s inability or unwillingness to ignore criticism raises the specter of a president who, like Richard Nixon, would create enemies’ lists and be consumed with getting even with his critics.
  • He’s a serial liar
    Trump is in a league of his own when it comes to the quality and quantity of his misstatements.

They also state reservations about Clinton:

Nor does this editorial represent unqualified support for Hillary Clinton, who has her own flaws (though hers are far less likely to threaten national security or lead to a constitutional crisis). The Editorial Board does not have a consensus for a Clinton endorsement.

Some of us look at her command of the issues, resilience and long record of public service — as first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of State — and believe she’d serve the nation ably as its president.

Other board members have serious reservations about Clinton’s sense of entitlement, her lack of candor and her extreme carelessness in handling classified information.

Clinton is a significantly flawed candidate. Just far less so than Trump.

USA Today concludes:

Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue. By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump.

That’s damning, but they encapsulate the concerns of many, not just in the US but around the world.

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27 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  1st October 2016

    Will negative campaigning just result in the most negative candidate winning? Is that the inevitable result of the power of the attack advt on the swinging voter?

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    • Gezza

       /  1st October 2016

      When he first got started on the hustings I thought Trump might turn out to be someone who would learn on the road and develop into a credible candidate for the POTUS job. But he’s a train wreck. He doesn’t learn a freaking thing. He can’t stop himself being an ego-driven self-centred plonker. It’s just who he is.

      The fact that a narcissistic idiot like Trump, whose inability to study, concentrate and think deeply about anything, even himself, and whose rambling incoherent speeches and interviews I’ve recently seen described as essentially ‘word salad’ – an accurate description if you read them – has even made it this far, makes it impossible to predict what the outcome of this election will be.

      In any other developed Western country, just showing all of Trump’s interviews and speeches alone would be considered attack ads on him. I couldn’t see Trump getting anywhere near the percentage of support in NZ that he has in the US of Asininity. The just making shit up, and outright lying, which I suspect Trump isn’t even really aware he’s doing, just makes it worse.

      I can only begin to grasp how that has happened by remembering that the US population has been heavily and successfully viscerally propagandised by advertising since even before the turn of the last century. Even Goebels studied and adopted US advertising techniques. Huge chunks of their electorate have clearly simply collectively lost their attention spans, and their ability to listen, concentrate analyse what they are hearing, & think rationally.

      Clinton may be the least worst option, but the USA Today Editorial Board has got it right. She is by far the least worst option.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  1st October 2016

        Nice summary Gezza, and amply supported by Trump’s overnight tweeting tirade against Alicia Machado. Trump’s misogynistic attitude towards women makes kiwiguy look like a feminist. The racist, philandering, tax-avoiding, serial liar just can’t resist his own massive ego.

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    • Pete Kane

       /  1st October 2016

      “Clinton is a significantly flawed candidate. Just far less so than Trump.” Far less?

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  1st October 2016

        She knows politics, he doesn’t.

        His insulting remarks about women’s appearance and, in particular, weight, are pathetic from a man of his age. Wakey, wakey, Donald, pregnant women look fatter than they usually do.There’s a baby in there. His use of the word ‘disgusting’ about women should ring alarm bells about his own hangups.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  1st October 2016

          ‘Frequent use’.

          He makes Kiwiguy look like a feminist-brava ! 😀

          He makes Ozymandias look like modest and self-deprecating.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  1st October 2016

            He makes Ozymandias look modest and self-deprecating. Oh, to be able to edit.

            It would have to be a pearl in my crown that on one blog, for some reason, when I tried to edit, it edited other people’s posts and not mine. And, with great will-power, I refrained from doing this !

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      • Trump is a buffoon, Clinton is a lying warmonger.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  1st October 2016

      And the San Diego Union Tribune, which has endorsed every Republican presidential candidate since 1868:
      http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/editorials/sd-hillary-clinton-endorsement-for-president-20160929-story.html

      And joined by USA Today, which issued its first-ever presidential endorsement to write that Trump was “unfit for the presidency”:
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/

      And the Arizona Republic, the Cincinnati Enquirer, the Chicago Tribune,and the Detroit News…

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  1st October 2016

        I could say that I’d replace something like the current healthcare with ‘something terrific’. And the current social welfare, tax system, education with ‘terrific things’. Anyone could.

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        • Nick Ellis

           /  1st October 2016

          What the f**k? Shit like that is why you didn’t win mastermind. Did you even make it into the aired show?

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          • patupaiarehe

             /  1st October 2016

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  2nd October 2016

            Yes, of course I appeared on the aired show-and it’s Mastermind. Everyone who makes it through the auditions (there were 32 of us) is on the aired show. The auditions are done on on one, and those with the highest marks are chosen to appear. One applies to go on and nominated the specialist subject. They then make a list of questions and ask them in an office in the One building. The first time that anyone is in the studio is when the show is made. You have just demonstrated that you have never known anyone who has been on Mastermind and possibly never watched it. I won’t ask if you have ever been on it, it’s obvious that you haven’t.

            Only one person out of the people who are on it-32 people out of the entire population-can win it. I think that it’s an achievement to have been on it and done as well as I did. I missed the finals by one mark.

            What a stupid, irrelevant comment you made just then. If you mean fuck, say it. We have all heard the word. I cannot see what your nasty little dig has to do with what I said. Surely you could see what I meant-that anyone could say that they could make a better system in this vague way. If they don’t say how their system is better, then their boast is meaningless.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  2nd October 2016

            That remark also shows the force of the old story about the sour grapes.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  2nd October 2016

            Odd as it might sound, making satirical, off the cuff comments about Donald Trump is not something that is done on Mastermind, as you’d know if you’d ever been on it, known anyone who had or watched it. Mastermind contestants have to answer as many questions as they can on their specialist topic and then on general knowledge. And the general knowledge questions are a great deal more difficult than they are on family type ‘quiz’ shows. They were made progressively more difficult to make Mastermind obviously more of a challenge than ‘quiz’ shows.

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  2. Kitty Catkin

     /  1st October 2016

    The Alicia Machado ‘sex tape’ proves to be a bit of grainy CCTV footage from a Big Brother type show 16 years ago, from what I have just read. The stories about her being a porn star are lies, as is everything else that Trump says about her. Did he try it on and did she refuse the honour ?

    I see that he was in a porn video himself-but only in a cameo appearance. His one line, if it’s been quoted correctly, is such poor grammar that it’s almost nonsense.

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    • Nick Ellis

       /  1st October 2016

      did you just believe something you read in a newspaper? Stop the bus!!!

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  2nd October 2016

        Oh hell, mrMan rides again, nasty comment alert.

        (very slowly) I. Have. Never. Said. That. One. Cannot. Believe. Anything. In. The.Press.Only. That.One.Cannot.Believe. Everything.

        Can you understand the difference between anything and everything ?

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  3. patupaiarehe

     /  1st October 2016

    Heard this one on the radio yesterday… 😀

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  4. Hmm PP, most unladylike and uncalled for comment. You have been captured by the socialist left newspeak. Try and be an unbiased observer for a change. Talk is cheap. I have no investment in the US election because it is not a real reflection of the worth of the average US citizen. Trash talk should be beyond you. How much do you really know about Ms Clinton’s politics?

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  2nd October 2016

      Hmm PP, most unladylike and uncalled for comment.

      Hmm BJ, you have made an assumption, then voiced an opinion there. And both are incorrect 😛

      How much do you really know about Ms Clinton’s politics?

      Nothing BJ, and I don’t care to either. If it makes you happy, I’ll find an anti-Hillary meme to post here. 😀

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2016

      I thought it was quite funny, BJ. I suspect Trump might too.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  2nd October 2016


      Feel better now BJ? 😛

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