Trump: “I won the debate”

Donald Trump is still trying to claim victory over the debate he had with Hillary Clinton.

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Someone quipped that the problem with the microphone was that it was turned on.

It seems misguided to keep trying to claim a victory from something that was widely reported to be not flash for Trump.

Fox News poll: Who won the debate? Clinton: 61% Trump: 21% Tie: 12%

Even Fox News’s Own Poll Says Hillary Clinton Crushed Donald Trump At Debate

– See http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/09/30/full-fox-news-poll-results-30/

The first presidential campaign debate was one step in a very long path towards the election (which is about a month away).

This follows yesterday’s Trump Twitter news where he was re-litigating debate on his criticism of an ex beauty queen (I think that dates back to last century). Clinton baited Trump on this in the debate and instead of moving on to something that might look good for him Trump just keeps digging a hole.

It’s usually thought that candidates should promote things that are positive for them and try to bury things that were negative.

Trump either doesn’t understand that or he is doing his best to lose.

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    • Do you think Trump would have sabotaged his microphone so he could claim the debate wasn’t fair?

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  2nd October 2016

        No. I am sure the volume control would have been in the hands of a technical team in the hall just as the TV pictures and sound would have been controlled from a separate specialist production control room.

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        • While I wouldn’t rule out anything in US politics I would be very surprised if Trump was deliberately handicapped through the audio set up.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  2nd October 2016

            It seems VERY peculiar that a) the microphone was working fine in test immediately prior and b) that the organisation responsible is refusing to give details of the problem’s cause, and c) that it did not admit to the problem until four days later.

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            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              The article says that the mic problems meant that at times his voice was lower in the hall than Hillary’s, but that’s not a plausible cause for him saying stupid things. Being a narcissistic idiot is what makes him say stupid things.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              He’s claiming distraction by the mike problem but you don’t have to believe him.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              I don’t. He has a history of saying stupid things in interviews and campaign speeches in situations where he has no mic problems, as well as a history of claiming he didn’t actually say the stupid things there is clear evidence of him actually saying.

              He is actually freqently quite disconnected from what he actually says, so while he does blatantly lie, I sometimes think he’s not deliberately, knowingly telling porkies for a particular befarious purpose. He just doesn’t care whether what he says is true, or makes sense, as long as he’s getting what he wants, including attention, admiration from the really ignorant peasants, and the subservience of the Republican establishment.

              Word salad. Mind like a can of worms.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Sheesh. “befarious” = “nefarious”.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              I’m guessing you don’t like him then, Gezza?

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              I’ve gone off him Al. What really puzzles me is why you & a couple of others here apparently like him. Any other unbalanced egotistical idiot comes in for in flak from you, but not him? You fall over yourselves to make excuses for his being an overbearing, lying, bullshitting (not the same thing as lying), unstable, mentally lazy, plonker.

              It’s all the MSM’s fault? Don’t make me laugh. All they have to do is report him doing & saying what he does & says for the above to be evident. And if any other confirmation of that opinion is required all one has to do is read his Twitter page.

              Neither Clinton nor Trump are desirable candidates, and I doubt either one would last longer than one term because necessity will probably demand both the Reps & the Dems find someone else to rescue America from a nightmare after their term at the helm. But Clinton is the least worst option, in my view, because she does her homework, thinks clearly & logically, is emotionally the more stable of the two, and is not a narcissistic idiot, whereas he so clearly is.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              I think you’ll find I’ve not ever said I like him, just that I’d like to see him win. And I’ve tried to balance the unbalanced coverage with objective facts that are actually real.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Whoever wants one or the other party to win this election can find enough objective facts to make their preferred candidate appear the best choice.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              I think you’ll find I haven’t tried to make Trump appear the best choice either. Just tried to make sense of what is happening.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              “Just tried to make sense of what is happening.”
              Probably a fruitless task, given the two primary candidates for POTUS the ridiculous circus of the US electoral system has produced.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              All the more important to do it, Gezza.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              “All the more important to do it, Gezza.”
              Why?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              Because it represents a break with the past that is important to understand to deal with the present.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              And how does trying to understand the insanity (or is it depravity) of the US political system that has delivered these two cringeworthy, scary, candidates up as the likely next ‘leader of the free world’, have any possible useful application anywhere. To me it’s like watching an oncoming train wreck from a distance.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              It’s not the system that delivered these candidates, it was the voters and understanding them is important. They might be our friends or enemies and either way we need to understand them.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Because of the singular arcanity & peculiarity of the US political sydtem in which voters don’t even actually GET to vote directly for their own President understanding their voters is almost pointless. It’s a freaking circus.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              The candidates were chosen directly by the voters in the primaries.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              No they’re not. They’re chosen by delegates. And the primaries ARE the travelling circus.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              Trump and Clinton got the most votes and it’s time to hit the sack.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              To me that’s like saying they got the most applause from those members of the public who actually attended their respetive circuses. Good night, Alan.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  2nd October 2016

            Why didn’t he say something about the mike at the time ? He sounded all right to me (from a purely audio point of view) It would soon be obvious, somebody would notice. Everyone would. (cries of ‘Can’t hear you !’ from the audience)

            I have heard that the sniffing-which I took to be a childish dig at Hillary Clinton-was thought by many people to be because he’s a cokehead. The incoherence, the manic behaviour, the going without sleep (up at 3 am to vilify a beauty queen), all of this could well be explained by this.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              The sound for the TV was fine. It was the local hall amplifier that was the problem.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              Actually his “sniffing” could have been a consequence of his leaning right down onto the microphones to try to make himself heard in the hall and thereby getting his breathing sounds over-amplified and distorted on the TV sound system.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  3rd October 2016

              Nice try. 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Did you watch the debate yet Al? The sniffing went on whether he was standind back from the mic or up closer. It was being picked up by his lapel mic, which was perhaps the tv sound feed.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  2nd October 2016

              No, I haven’t watched it, Gezza, just read about it. I did think about doing it just to look at the sniff but then figured it might be anywhere in the 90 mins or whatever it took and couldn’t be bothered.

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Take this slowly. What’s the point of reading about it, when you keep saying you don’t believe most of what you read about it, and when you could watch it, so you don’t have to work out what you should or shouldn’t believe, based on what you have read, that fits with what you want to believe?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  3rd October 2016

              Your assumptions are incorrect. I have read transcripts and other summaries. I don’t believe everything I read but I don’t disbelieve everything either. I hear your opinion and I give it some weight amongst others. I am wary of forming second hand opinions about people, especially when it is based on words rather than deeds. I tend to discount the views of people who do.

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2016

              The problem with reading transcripts & summaries of his speeches is that so much spoken conversation, and especially with Trumpy, is non-verbal. Some things that he is reported as saying look totally nuts on paper, but not so weird when you see him saying it, along with the guestures & facial expressions, and when you realise it’s a very New York thing to say something & let others finish your sentence with what is obvious. Just something I read somewhere recently, and have noticed actually makes his erratic comms style make a little more sense.

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2016

              @ Kitty. How on earth did you manage to insert a comment dated October 3 between two comments dated October 2 in this sub-thread ?

              https://yournz.org/2016/10/02/trump-i-won-the-debate/#comment-136972

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  3rd October 2016

              Forward thinking ?

            • Gezza

               /  3rd October 2016

              Hmm.

  1. J Bloggs

     /  2nd October 2016

    What Trump is doing is following his more insidious strategy, which is sowing distrust of the MSM reproting in his followers. According to Trump, any negative reports about him are the result of “biased” liberal media, who are shills for Clinton.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2016

      Note that my link confirming the microphone problem is to a NY Times article and that paper hates Trump.

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    • David

       /  2nd October 2016

      “According to Trump, any negative reports about him are the result of “biased” liberal media, who are shills for Clinton.”

      How much support do you think Trump has in the MSM? Is there a single positive story about Trump in any MSM news source?

      Given your answers to the above, how successful do you think Trumps strategy of paining the MSM as biased against him might be? In this poll, only 6% of Americans trusted the MSM, again, how successful do you think Trumps strategy might be given that almost no one in the US trusts one iota of what the MSM says?

      http://www.activistpost.com/2016/04/death-of-mainstream-media-6-percent-trust.html

      Given this poll has been repeated for years, long before Trump ran for president, how much sowing do you think he actually needed to do?

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  2. Zedd

     /  2nd October 2016

    politics & spin.. it happens everywhere !

    BUT Drumpf is one of those (like KEY) who just think they know it all & can never lose anything, anytime :/

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  2nd October 2016

    Alan everyone hates trump,oops ill rephrase that ,the stupid and the right like him but then they are the stupid…

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    • Iceberg

       /  2nd October 2016

      From 21 words, you’ve managed to make 10 grammatical errors.

      Suppose that only makes you half stupid.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  2nd October 2016

        Don’t think so

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        • Iceberg

           /  2nd October 2016

          I don’t either. Prolly more like 75%

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  2nd October 2016

            He’s a harmless fish but I think I’d top myself if I woke up one morning and found myself on the same side as lurch

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          • Gezza

             /  2nd October 2016

            None of you seem to be noticing the similarities between Lurch & Trump.

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            • Conspiratoor

               /  2nd October 2016

              Show me Lurch Tower and nude pics of his supermodel wife and I’ll believe you G

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Personality-wise, to clarify. Who knows what Lurch could’ve achieved with a few mill in start-up funds from his poppa?

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              PS: Is she a supermodel? And not every rich dodgy politician or businessman wants a young not-so-bright wife or upgraded series of them.

            • Iceberg

               /  2nd October 2016

              Pleased you qualified that with “supermodel” Conspiratoor.

              Who knows what may have got posted otherwise.

            • Iceberg

               /  2nd October 2016

              “And not every rich dodgy politician or businessman wants a young not-so-bright wife or upgraded series of them”

              Which one?

            • Gezza

               /  2nd October 2016

              Those ones. But not necessarily the others.

      • Kevin

         /  2nd October 2016

        Don’t forget errors in logic.

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    • Corky

       /  2nd October 2016

      I love Trumpy. You got a problem with that, Lurchy?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2016

      Except half the US electorate that is planning to vote for him, Lurch?

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      • Corky

         /  2nd October 2016

        Lurchy has a lesson to learn, whether it be with Trump or Hills as the president. Trump is the better option though.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  2nd October 2016

      Apart from your dog, is there anyone you do like, Lurch?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  2nd October 2016

        I thought PG said”lets not get personal” trumps an orange freak in another country,don’t get personal Alan its not about me or YOU.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  2nd October 2016

          That was a serious question, Lurch. I’d love to hear about something or someone you actually love. Hearing about a few people you hate gets boring.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  2nd October 2016

        Waking up every morning “i like that”

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  4. Klik Bate

     /  2nd October 2016

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  5. Jeeves

     /  4th October 2016

    I’d love to see a comment thread where you paste an actual quote from the Donald himself, where he identifies a problem and then offers some form of solution to it, and then add your thoughts about why this is a good idea.

    Eg; “Too many Muslims coming in here and taking our jobs to China – so we are gonna build a wall between us and Mexico and make America great again”.

    And then commenters can add:
    “I am in favour of this policy because it will lower taxes for the rich, create jobs for slim and attractive women, and end racism against whites forever”.

    I think this exercise would help us cut through the evil Liberal Lesbian Left MSM misinformation and showcase the real detail of this mans actual plans.

    Any takers?

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    • Gezza

       /  4th October 2016

      Well I can’t help you with that one, but here’s how he plans to deal with the Iran nuclear deal situation.

      “Consider this Trump comment on the Iran nuclear deal during a campaign rally in South Carolina on July 21, 2015. Try to follow the train of thought here:

      Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

      Trump’s simple message — ‘the Iran deal is bad for the United States’ ”

      Oh, no, sorry – he doesn’t say exactly how he plans to deal with the problem of their nuclear, but if we wait long enough he’ll probably develop his thinking further, tell someone in media the solution, and it’ll probably involve keeping their oil.

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  4th October 2016

      Not a bad idea jeeves. I recall a while ago, may have even been a post here. that took each of trump’s main themes (I won’t call them policies) and essentially ‘detrumped’ them. Reading them without the trump hyperbole attached it is not hard to see why there is such a groundswell of support amongst american voters. It may have been elsewhere, I’ll do a bit of research later and see if I can rustle it up. Cheers,c

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