Bomb plot accusation in Kansas

Three men have been arrested in Kansas. They have been charged with plotting to bomb an apartment building and mosque, targeting Muslims.

RNZ: Three US men accused of plot to bomb Somalis

Three men have been charged with plotting to bomb Somali immigrants at an apartment building and mosque in the US state of Kansas.

They allegedly planned to strike on 9 November, a day after the US elections.

The suspects had prepared a manifesto and conspired to detonate a bomb at apartments where Somalis were among some 120 residents, said prosecutors.

They allegedly discussed parking four explosives-packed vehicles at the corners of the complex to create a large blast in the meatpacking town.

Acting US Attorney Tom Beall said the eight-month investigation had taken FBI agents “deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence”.

Mr Beall said they ultimately decided to attack the building because of the number of Somalis who lived there.

Targeting groups of people and talking up hate may encourage nutters to consider doing this sort of thing. An escalation of violence is not good for anyone.

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  1. Corky

     /  15th October 2016

    First: I would like to know why? The word Somali rings alarm bells. Second: this is what happens when your immigration policies are stuffed. Expect more of this under Clinton.

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    • You seem to be looking for excuses.

      It happens when some of a country’s residents are stuffed in the head.

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      • Corky

         /  15th October 2016

        ‘You seem to be looking for excuses.’

        I thought you might open up with that. But,no. I want to know why? We know why Muslim nuts do their thing. Is it not fair to ask these Yankee nutters why they want to do their thing? I mentioned Somalis because as a race of people many find them obnoxious. That has been my experience. Goggle it. Did these Somalis cause trouble? Not that excuses anything.

        ‘It happens when some of a country’s residents are stuffed in the head.’

        That’s where you have to be careful. Not all nuts are nuts. There are many people who consider folk like us, who post on blogs, nutters.

        Again I will press the point. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if we kept Muslims out of the West. And the West out of the East, to be fair.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  15th October 2016

      Blame the victims, why don’t you ? Someone wants to kill you, it must be your fault that this has happened.

      These are probably people going about their business like most other people.

      And the bomb wouldn’t have been able to only kill black-skinned people and leave everyone else untouched.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  15th October 2016

        Sorry, Pete, you and I must have replied at the same moment, that was meant for Corky.

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      • Missy

         /  15th October 2016

        So Kitty, you think because Corky points out not controlling immigration will lead to this situation is victim blaming. It is interesting you think that.

        This is what you said about the Charlie Hebdo attacks – looks a little like victim blaming I think:

        “If people deliberately go out of their way to be provocative and offensive, as Charlie Hebdo did, they cannot be surprised when people are provoked and offended. I can’t understand why someone would publish such things just because they can or think that they should be able to-the cartoons were not even witty, they were puerile capping mag level. The editor/cartoonist seemed to be inviting a reaction.”

        Or, is it only victim blaming when white people are the perpetrators, and an understandable reaction when Muslims are the perpetrators?

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      • Corky

         /  15th October 2016

        Don’t jump to conclusions, breath before you meow.

        “Someone wants to kill you, it must be your fault that this has happened.” Please don’t read into my post what’s not there.”

        Notice the first part of my post. “First: I would like to know why? ” That’s called trying to get an overview before running my mouth. If you aren’t methodical you wind up posting like Lurcher below.

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        • Corky

           /  15th October 2016

          OK ..Garden City. Population 27,000. With 500 Somali refugees who wouldn’t know corn grits from a jock strap. Small town prejudices meet refugees. A picture is starting to emerge.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  16th October 2016

            Somalis ring alarm bells ? Why ? Because some bigots want to kill them ? How are the Somalis to blame for other people being murderous bigots ?

            Only a very limited type of person dislikes all people of a particular race; how very one-eyed.

            Missy, I don’t know whether to be flattered or alarmed by your obvious fascination with my words and the fact that you have immediate access to them-it’s more than I have.

            It’s victim-blaming no matter what colour victims and perpetrators are.You set up a church/mosque/synagogue, and I don’t like this so I’m going to bomb it. If you didn’t want to be bombed, you shouldn’t be different to me.

            And I stand by what I said about Charlie Hebdo. People can only be pushed so far before they retaliate. In France it seems that anything goes when it’s against any religion-one isn’t supposed to wear ANY religious symbol-and it’s bizarre that their national anthem is all about rejoicing over bloodshed during The Reign of Terror when to be born an aristocrat was a capital offence, as was to hold the wrong views. How many tens of thousands died in what is proudly called The Reign of Terror ?

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            • Gezza

               /  16th October 2016

              So, Kitty, you seem to be saying that, in this day and age, you believe that if somebody in a secular society mocks Muhammad in cartoons then it’s perfectly understandable & ok for them to be murdered by Muslims.

              So, do you also think that in this day and age if somebody in a secular society does cartoons that mock Jesus, then it’s perfectly understandable & ok for them to be murdered by Christians?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th October 2016

              I think that there are risks that one doesn’t take unless one is prepared for the consequences. The cartoons went beyond mockery. I wouldn’t be witless enough to sing Orange songs in some Ulster pubs, either, and expect to keep my kneecaps.

              Would you write insulting grafitti outside a gang house and expect that the inevitable reaction wouldn’t come.

            • Corky

               /  16th October 2016

              ”Only a very limited type of person dislikes all people of a particular race; how very one-eyed. ”

              No, its not. Somalis are a notorious race of people…sullen, insular and they will fight at the drop of a hat. They aren’t scared of anyone.

              The point of my post was about demographics. 500 Somalis in a population of 27,000 is quite large. Don’t forget they will breed at far higher rate then us Westerns. They will also attract more Somalis to the area. Like compound interest their will probably be three to five thousand in a decade.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th October 2016

              I see plenty of Somalis and they are not at all like that. There are probably as many gutless, cowardly Somalis per capita as there in any other race.It stands to reason. If they were that insular, they’d still be in Somali.

              I have met very insular people in the West. Insularity is a universal characteristic, not confined to any one race, but based upon limited outlook on life and little understanding of the world.

              They don’t seem to have huge families, either, unless they leave most of them at home.

              I have heard people claiming to like a particular race, which is equally stupid. One can’t like people whom one doesn’t know.

              So westerners don’t have big families then ? Tell that to WINZ.

            • Klik Bate

               /  16th October 2016

              You’re quite right with your summation Corky. There are already areas of Mt Roskill that some people would probably consider as ‘no-go areas’.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  16th October 2016

              Probably ? Who are these people who probably think that ? How do you know this ?

              I am not so foolish as to think that I am safe when white people are around me and not when black people are.

            • Klik Bate

               /  16th October 2016

              I know it Kitty, because it includes me andmy family, along with literally hundreds of our friends and work colleagues.

              There is a lot happening out in the ‘real world’ that you seem somewhat oblivious to, or maybe just don’t want to accept or even know about ?

              New Zealand, and Australia, simply do not need people like this…..

              http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7983927/Victim-kidnapped-for-pack-rape

              http://www.australian-news.net/Ethnic_crime_African.htm

              Sleep well.

            • Missy

               /  16th October 2016

              No need to be alarmed Kitty, it is called using ‘memory’ and a ‘search engine’, I recalled you had said something that indicated you believed the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists deserved to be murdered in the brutal way they were, and searched for it. Easy.

              I stand by my view that your comment on the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists is victim blaming, regardless of what you say about victim blaming you are setting two standards here, one is that if the perpetrators are Muslim it is understandable and okay for them to brutally murder someone if they are offended – it is the consequences of their actions and the risk they take. But on the other hand when white men in small town, racist, no doubt small minded, no doubt religious, and redneck America – especially after the rhetoric of Trump, see an action as provocative and take action against Muslims it is not okay, and to suggest that the reason may be due to the US immigration policies is victim blaming. Don’t you think that the Somalis wanting to build a Mosque could have been seen as a provocative act, and that they too should have expected consequences?

              The Somalis had been living in the community, they surely realised that there was a rise in tensions, that some people in America (rightly or wrongly) fear Muslims and whether or not they may be extremists, they hear news stories about Muslims being radicalised in Mosques, so it would be understandable that they would fear a Mosque being built. Surely they would have looked at the current climate and realised that there may have been a risk, and realised that they shouldn’t take the risk unless they are prepared for the consequences. The people in this community seem to believe they are fighting a war, and they can only be pushed so far before they retaliate.

            • Missy

               /  16th October 2016

              Kitty, you appear very naive about the world. Here is something about the Somalis in NZ you should hear:

              1. A number of years ago there were reports in the media that the Mosque in Hamilton was fundraising for Boko Haram, and the preacher was preaching hate and encouraging extremist behaviour.

              2. In Wellington near where I lived for a while was a large Somali community, the boys walked around in packs and harassed and assaulted young women, the older men just stood by and watched – the women? Never seen, except for once a week in the company of men to go shopping. That is personal observation.

              3. The area in London where I live has a very high ethnic population (no that isn’t code for Muslim, though there are Muslims here too), included amongst them are Somalis. Of all the ethnicity, the only group that keep to themselves and don’t have anything to do with the rest of the community are the Somalis, all of the the others are generally integrated into the community and socialise and interact with other members of the community, and accept and get involved in much of local life and culture. It is a bit ignorant to say if they wanted to be insular they would stay in Somalia, and shows a lack of awareness of what is happening in the world outside your narrow view of it.

            • Corky

               /  16th October 2016

              Excellent reply, Missy. Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion, a while ago actually, that Kitty just takes the piss. The simple logic and obtuse arguments have to be a put on. No one is that ignorant…..are they?

            • Missy

               /  16th October 2016

              Cheers Corky,

              And of course my third point relates to Somalis in London, not NZ (for the pedants out there), however, anyone just needs to go into Hamilton to see how a number of the Somali population behave in a similar manner to those in London.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  15th October 2016

    CORKY are these white bearded cheap white trash relatives just asking you are in the wrong country,you could be over there fighting the sick fight

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  3. Refugee blaming and targeting is pretty low-brow. There are worthwhile conversations to be had about the ideas of immigration, globalisation and the origins of economic migration without implying refugees deserve death, harrassment and concentration camps.

    These refugees and migrants are people too, regardless of the colour of their skin or their credo. White terrorism in the US is a huge domestic problem there, and it isn’t helped by further anti-refugee rhetoric.

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  4. Gezza

     /  15th October 2016

    Here’s more info on these nutters. They’re members of one of those wacko US groups that hate everyone including the government. Thick as pigshit probably. Trump voters I expect.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-kansas-bomb-plot-targeting-somalis-20161014-story.html

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  5. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, especially for some nice simple folk who really aren’t aware of what’s going on – “Islam lowers the bar on violence.” The Cronulla and Corsica beach riots and now this event are harbingers of civil wars to come, and within our lifetimes. Islam changes everything. Its conquest of the West has barely got under way. Its maturation will not be pretty. Here’s the worst part – the extreme Left welcomes it as it brings down the capitalist system. The extreme Right – and oh! the shame of it – will be the defenders of a culture they barely know exists, and ordinary people, those who vote for Brexit and the populist politicians, will be caught in the middle and suffer the greatest. There will be no winners, just destruction.

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  15th October 2016

      Yeah, rightyo Kit. You are on the ‘outside looking in’ regarding Islam, so you see what you want to see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
      There are examples throughout history, of extremists from several different ‘belief systems’ doing terrible things. Even back in the 11th century, your average catholic would have found this sort of behaviour not quite in harmony with traditional ‘christian values’…
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Massacre

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      • patupaiarehe

         /  15th October 2016

        If you have the time, scroll up a bit to get a little background on the events leading up to that dark day

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      • And yet . . .
        Conquest is written in Islam’s sacred texts. Conquest forms part and whole of Islam’s Weltanschauung – the whole world must submit to the will of Allah, for which each and every Muslim, from its scholars, through the millions of moderate Muslims, to terrorist groups and the lone wolves, is commanded to play his or her part. Confirmation bias plays no role when it’s Islam’s clerics who are telling the story. Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the top Muslim lobby group in Washington: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Quran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

        Some people might react negatively to this. Perhaps not you, patupaiarehe. Why not?

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        • patupaiarehe

           /  16th October 2016

          IMHO extremists should be dealt with swiftly & harshly. Those two idiots in Auckland, who were distributing footage of beheadings, should have had it done to them. Unfortunately, that isn’t allowed here, they just get a short ‘holiday’ at our expense. But the reality is, it is far from a holiday on the inside, especially if everyone else who is there knows why you are there, and disagrees with your ideals.
          Do you think it is fair to judge a whole bunch of people, based on the actions of a few, who claim to adhere to the same beliefs? Perhaps we should lock up all christians, since a few so called christians once bombed an abortion clinic?

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          • The “holiday” they got will be an exercise in dawah. Prison is, after all, one of Islam’s great recruiting grounds. As an aside, did you know that 11.7% of US Muslims are in prison? They form less than 1% of the population. Fifteen times more likely to be in jail than other US citizens.

            My interest is not in Muslims but in Islam. Telling truth and taqiyya apart isn’t easy when dealing with individuals. It’s Islam that’s doing the conquering. To build on Mullah Krekar’s simile, Islam’s mosquitoes are spreading Islam’s malaria. It’s going to kill a few along the way. And Christianity is a spent force. Pope Francis grovelling at the feet of Muslim migrants tells Muslims all they need to know about it.

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            • patupaiarehe

               /  16th October 2016

              The “holiday” they got will be an exercise in dawah.

              Obviously you have never been inside a prison Kit. An Indian going in to a NZ prison, has a whole lot of Maori boys, and a few white guys, on the same block as him, who were all born here, and are less than sympathetic to his medieval beliefs. Not exactly ripe territory to get new recruits, when everyone on the block wants to smash you in the face, as soon as the ‘screws’ aren’t looking…

            • patupaiarehe – “An Indian going in to a NZ prison, has a whole lot of Maori boys, and a few white guys, on the same block as him, who were all born here, and are less than sympathetic to his medieval beliefs.”

              Common or garden racism, ingroup/outgroup identity, and in the nature of gangs. Not so with Islam. It is the absolute truth. Everyone else is benighted and must be educated in Islam’s truth. This is dawah.

              Here’s a quote from a young Syrian to illustrate the obsessive thought processes of devout Muslims, from Late Night Live on the ABC last week: “Allah gave us Germany as a refuge, not the Germans.”

            • Corky

               /  16th October 2016

              ”Allah gave us Germany as a refuge, not the Germans.”

              The west is being told straight how things are and will be. Straight from the horses mouth. Yet there are people on this blog who insist on remaining wilfully ignorant of the threat Islam poses.

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