Voting for Trump – grimly

Donald Trump got the Republican nomination for the presidency with a lot of support. He still has quite a bit of support, especially from a devout base.

Why would people vote for Trump now? ‘Clinton’ is one simple and strong answer. Hillary Clinton (and her husband Bill) are very unliked by many people.

David Gelernter, a professor of computer science, gives his opinion in the Wall Street Journal in Trump and the Emasculated Voter.

There’s only one way to protect the nation from Hillary Clinton, and that is to vote for Donald Trump.

Some conservatives have watched their evaluations of Donald Trump’s character drop so low in recent days that on this vital question they no longer see a choice between Donald Trump andHillary Clinton. Accordingly, they are forced back onto politics and policy; and naturally Mr. Trump wins in a walk.

If conservatives who argue that Mr. Trump is worse than Mrs. Clinton had a case, it would be a relief to vote for Mrs. Clinton or for no one. But they don’t, and one is therefore forced for the good of the nation to vote for Mr. Trump.

It’s sad but true that the election for the president of the United States is dominated by ‘least worst’, or less bad.

In his Mr. Nauseating video of last weekend, Mr. Trump showed us that he had all the class and cool of a misbegotten 12-year-old boy. Yet the video taught us nothing; no one had ever mistaken him for anything but an infantile vulgarian. This week’s allegations of actual abuse are different. If these stories are true (and I don’t know why they shouldn’t be), there is nothing to be said for Mr. Trump.

Unfortunately, there is nothing to be said for Mrs. Clinton either. If we don’t take both facts into account, we are not morally serious.

Despite how infantile and vulgar Trump is he is seen by many as less bad than Clinton.

Mrs. Clinton has nothing on Mr. Trump when it comes to character. She lies (“Wipe? Like with a cloth?”—cute and charming Mrs. C.) the way basketball stars shoot baskets—constantly, nonstop, because it’s the one thing she is best at and (naturally) it gives her pleasure to hear herself lie—swish!—right onto the evening news.

Trump would appear to lie a lot too. If not more. But his supporters don’t see that or don’t care about that because Clinton.

I’ll vote for Mr. Trump—grimly. But there is no alternative, no shadow of a responsible alternative.

Mr. Trump’s candidacy is a message from the voters. He is the empty gin bottle they have chosen to toss through the window.

The message begins with the fact that voters hear what the leaders and pundits don’t: the profound contempt for America and Americans that Mrs. Clinton and President Obama share and their frightening lack of emotional connection to this nation and its people.

A common thing in politics, substituting ‘what I hear’ with ‘the fact that voters hear ‘.

Regardless, many people ‘hear’ or perceive serious flaws with Clinton, and ignore or excuse serious flaws with Trump, so will still hold their noses and vote for him.

However polls suggest voters are turning off Trump.

Perhaps a deciding factor in this election will be turn out, and how many people give up on deciding which candidate stinks the least and don’t vote.

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27 Comments

  1. Conspiratoor

     /  16th October 2016

    pg, you’re a bit player in a sideshow. Has it occurred to you that many of the folk supporting trump are looking at substance over style and these folks prefer his policy over clinton’s. Here’s a link…

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

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    • Of course I’m a bit player in a sideshow, more of a microbit player when it comes to US politics but there is obvious interest in US politics in New Zealand so I post on it here. None of us in New Zealand vote in the US.

      Has it occurred to you that Trump is barely talking about policies? Has it occurred to you that much of Trump’s support don’t care about substance, they just like his style?

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  16th October 2016

        Much of trumps vote is because voters like his style? How do you know this? Empirical evidence please. Has it occurred to you that ‘much of Trump’s support’ is coming from republican voters and they number just under half the total vote?

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        • Republican voters are closer to 30% of total voters I think. There are a lot of ‘independents’ in the US.

          There’s a major split in the GOP at the moment, between the base who support Trump and the party establishment.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  16th October 2016

            The myth of the independent voter. According to Gallup polling…

            More than 75 percent of those who label themselves as independent also say they “lean” toward one party or the other. Sixteen percent each to the Democrat and Republican Party. “All told, then, 47% of Americans identify as Democrats or lean to the Democratic Party, and 41% identify as Republicans or lean to the Republican Party

            So just 10 percent of Americans can be identified as pure independents

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    • David

       /  16th October 2016

      Nobody is voting on policies in this election.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  16th October 2016

        Nobody? How do you this david? Are you god?

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        • Zedd

           /  16th October 2016

          @Con_toor

          I agree.. most of the nonsense is a media beat-up.

          I’m sure not everyone, cares who, (Drumpf or Bill Clinton) groped most women OR who brags loudest about it, as the main issue :/

          some even support Jill Stein & G Johnson 🙂

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        • David

           /  16th October 2016

          You don’t need to be ‘god’ to know how people make decisions. Nobody is examining the respective policy positions of Clinton and Trump on the tax treatment of deductibles, or immigration laws and then making a decision on who to vote for as a result. They make the decision first, then look for reasons they have made the correct decision.

          If they really did decide on a policy basis, they perhaps would have noticed that Trump started out on ‘No Muslims’, and his policy is now left of where Rubio stood. do you think those people who supported trump on no muslims changed when he moved so far?

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  2. I think Trump’s support is more a rejection of the status quo, and indicates just how many US voters hate the present power brokers. Clinton is seen as the messenger of sameld sameold and the change people hunger for is not being promised. She owes too many people too much and is wholly vulnerable on character grounds, she lacks an ethical pillar.

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    • David

       /  16th October 2016

      ” she lacks an ethical pillar.”

      That’s not correct, she has a single, very clear, ethical pillar.

      That is she will do anything that furthers Hillary Clinton’s economic and political power.

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      • duperez

         /  16th October 2016

        The archetype politician then? Not that we have any of those in NZ of course.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  16th October 2016

          Says someone who doesn’t know any and doesn’t know what hours they work.

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          • duperez

             /  16th October 2016

            Don’t know any or don’t know the hours some of them work doing “anything that furthers [their] economic and political power”? 😊

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    • Conspiratoor

       /  16th October 2016

      This anti-establishment thing is getting plenty of media attention Colonel but where is the evidence what you are thinking is underpinning trump’s vote in a significant way?
      Actually you might find it’s pretty simple. What’s driving support for Trump is that he is the republican nominee, a little fewer than half of voters always vote for republicans, and trump is pulling most of those voters. Cheers,c

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  3. duperez

     /  16th October 2016

    I see Trump is calling for he and Clinton to be be drug tested before their next debate.

    I have heard him described as various parts of both a woman’s and man’s body. Maybe there should be a sex test as well.

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  4. Zedd

     /  16th October 2016

    there are those who will vote GOP (Drumpf) regardless of what he says or does.. a bit like the staunch ‘team Key’ brigade, who think he can do no wrong either 😀

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  5. Gezza

     /  16th October 2016

    The Telegraph. 1 day ago – 15 October 2016 • 12:32am.

    The final television debate of this marathon, brutal US presidential election campaign will take place on Wednesday, October 19. Nicknamed “Fight Night”, the debate takes place in Las Vegas.

    So that’ll be our Thursday 20 October. I’ll be cutting back on the coffee that day.

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  6. Gezza, et al, before you have another coffee, have a look at this clip from Judicial Watch USA about the Emails, the Clinton Foundation and the FBI Director:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmECPhSHO0o

    Then have a look at this compilation about Huma Abedin Hillary’s Chief of Staff and her links to Saudi Arabia, Osama bin Laden etc:

    Treat it as compulsory homework before 20 October.

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  7. Pete Kane

     /  17th October 2016

    “Perhaps a deciding factor in this election will be turn out, and how many people give up on deciding which candidate stinks the least and don’t vote.”

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  8. patupaiarehe

     /  17th October 2016

    This one is from an American, is less than a day old, and already has 235 upticks from the imgflip community. Obviously both candidates would call this an inaccurate poll… 😀
    https://imgflip.com/i/1cebay

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    • patupaiarehe

       /  17th October 2016

      The reason I didn’t make it appear as a meme here, is because if you click on the link, you can see the comments below it, and see what Americans really think. Enjoy….

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